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VinnyA

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budman111 said:
LOl noob you are wrong, flushing is a myth so don't fall for it.
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No, it isn't a myth. If you fertilize until the very end, then the plants will maintain the toxic fertilizer in it's cells and that will make the pot taste harsh and not have the same smell, flavor or quality. You should flush the plant two weeks before to get rid of these toxins, enhancing the smell, flavor and potency.
 
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VinnyA

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6ixtynin9 said:
Those same experts also say buy into snake oil. In fact, buy the most expensive nute you can find (like Advance Nutrient). It must work that's why it's so expensive. The more expensive, the better it works right? Also, why go and cut off the very thing that provides food and energy for the plant? Ever try adding lights to the lower branches? You'd be amazed with the end results. I've only been growing for 15 years and go off of my own experience/experiment and not by some "expert's" advice. Again, like i said, molasses in organic works ok and it actually makes sense because you're feeding the soil (micro herds) with sugar and carbs, which then feeds the plant. You're not feeding the plant directly. In sythethic or hydro grows, it does nothing because synthetic chemical kills the all microorganisms living in the soil. Hydro has no sort of microbial life. At best, molasses has very little to almost no trace of mineral that a plant is able to use and can be used as a below decent cal/mag suppliment. Don't know where you're getting your information from but there is no such thing as "molasses has sugars that plant uses right away". If anything, plants are very limited to uptaking sugars and they already produce THEIR OWN sugar and meals through a process called photosynthesis, via the leaves. You know, the one you're encouraging people to chop off. Yep it feels good to have real life experience and some botany knowledge.
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Well the nutes I use were very cheap. They are a 3 part fertilizer system called PH PERFECT, which I paid only $39 for, for 3-1 liter bottles. There is grow, micro and bloom, that you add in equal proportions(I use an eye dropper and give the plants 1 ml of each per qt. of water. It's chelated, so you don't have to use as much as say, miracle gro, which isn't. And the plants absorb it much better than miracle gro, which means you can use much less and the plants absorb it much better. This not only saves money, but saves the plant from getting a toxic dose and burning the plant, possibly killing it. I got that from an article I read from someone who GROWS POT FOR A LIVING! That's what THEY said, and I believe it! But photosynthesis stops when the plant starts to make buds and directs it's energy to that. So you are WRONG, AGAIN! The leaves have no bearing on the buds. What DOES have bearing, though, is the shoots that come up between the stem and fan leaves, where the buds grow. THAT is why you defoliate! Besides the fact that now light and air get into the center of the plant. Why do you think they use light stress training then? It's for the exact same reason, to bend the stems down, so the light and air gets in the center, stimulating shoot growth and ultimately, bud growth. I use both light stress training and defoliation and let me tell you, my plant is starting to fill up with buds, are yours?
 
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VinnyA

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Resinhound said:
Sounds like you are the expert.I merely said I can't recommend it.And I don't.
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Well EXPERTS do, and since you are NOT AN EXPERT then why even saying anything? Again, you are another one who knows more than people who GROW IT FOR A LIVING, right?
 
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Resinhound

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So much misinformation in this thread...the sugars created by the PLANT during active photosynthesis are used for ALL GROWTH.Show me one study that proves these sugars are utilized only locally...when you consume food the blood sugar that your body produces for growth is distributed to your whole body due to your circulatory system.It's the same for plants.THE PLANT chooses where to use those sugars based on its genetics and environment.Now move along.
 
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whitebb2727

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VinnyA said:
Well we aren't talking about apples or vegetables but pot, that you SMOKE. Do you smoke oranges or apples? Common sense dictates that if you defoliate the plant, it forces light and air into the center of the plant, allowing the plant to make shoots that become buds. Leaves DO NOT drive bud production, I don't know where you heard that, but it's WRONG! Leaves actually have very little thc in them, otherwise, we would be smoking the leaves instead of the buds. Buds are made when the plant senses the loss of daylight, down to 12 hours a day, which signals the plant to start making buds (and seeds in male plants) to continue the species. Leaves only are useful during the first month of the vegetative cycle, when they need the leaves to absorb light, to make chlorophyll which they turn to sugar needed for vegetative growth. After that, leaves just take away the energy from the plant which should be going towards making buds. That is why you remove most of the leaves, except the very tops.
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Cannabis is not a magic plant. It is a plant like any other. The leaves are solar panels that collect light and turn it to energy.
Leaves do not block light.

Cannabis buds are a flower. Name one other plant that cutting leaves off make sense. Name one. You can't.

The leaves turn light into energy.

I will shut my mouth and agree if "you" show me a pic of "your" grow where you hacked leaves off and got humungus buds.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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VinnyA said:
No, it isn't a myth. If you fertilize until the very end, then the plants will maintain the toxic fertilizer in it's cells and that will make the pot taste harsh and not have the same smell, flavor or quality. You should flush the plant two weeks before to get rid of these toxins, enhancing the smell, flavor and potency.
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Again wrong. The plant was grown from what you fed it. You can't flush it away.

Cannabis converts npk into what it needs. There are no ferts in the plant.

I'll play along for a sec. You flush and starve the plant. It robs nutrients from lower leaves for what it needs. That's why the leaves yellow and fall off. If it robs it from the lower and moves it higher, it is still there.


I suspect you don't grow and if you do, it is not very well.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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VinnyA said:
Well EXPERTS do, and since you are NOT AN EXPERT then why even saying anything? Again, you are another one who knows more than people who GROW IT FOR A LIVING, right?
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Name these experts.

Only an idiot would believe that cutting leaves off makes bigger and more buds.
http://www2.estrellamountain.edu/faculty/farabee/BIOBK/BioBookPS.html

Please read and learn something. Leaves are what make plant energy. If you cut leaves off it makes less energy.

Its not rocket science.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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VinnyA said:
Well the nutes I use were very cheap. They are a 3 part fertilizer system called PH PERFECT, which I paid only $39 for, for 3-1 liter bottles. There is grow, micro and bloom, that you add in equal proportions(I use an eye dropper and give the plants 1 ml of each per qt. of water. It's chelated, so you don't have to use as much as say, miracle gro, which isn't. And the plants absorb it much better than miracle gro, which means you can use much less and the plants absorb it much better. This not only saves money, but saves the plant from getting a toxic dose and burning the plant, possibly killing it. I got that from an article I read from someone who GROWS POT FOR A LIVING! That's what THEY said, and I believe it! But photosynthesis stops when the plant starts to make buds and directs it's energy to that. So you are WRONG, AGAIN! The leaves have no bearing on the buds. What DOES have bearing, though, is the shoots that come up between the stem and fan leaves, where the buds grow. THAT is why you defoliate! Besides the fact that now light and air get into the center of the plant. Why do you think they use light stress training then? It's for the exact same reason, to bend the stems down, so the light and air gets in the center, stimulating shoot growth and ultimately, bud growth. I use both light stress training and defoliation and let me tell you, my plant is starting to fill up with buds, are yours?
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You are ignorant. The reason LST works is because auxins and apical dominance. You don't even comprehend the stuff you are spouting.
 
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KryptoBud

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VinnyA said:
Well we aren't talking about apples or vegetables but pot, that you SMOKE. Do you smoke oranges or apples? Common sense dictates that if you defoliate the plant, it forces light and air into the center of the plant, allowing the plant to make shoots that become buds. Leaves DO NOT drive bud production, I don't know where you heard that, but it's WRONG! Leaves actually have very little thc in them, otherwise, we would be smoking the leaves instead of the buds. Buds are made when the plant senses the loss of daylight, down to 12 hours a day, which signals the plant to start making buds (and seeds in male plants) to continue the species. Leaves only are useful during the first month of the vegetative cycle, when they need the leaves to absorb light, to make chlorophyll which they turn to sugar needed for vegetative growth. After that, leaves just take away the energy from the plant which should be going towards making buds. That is why you remove most of the leaves, except the very tops.
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Seeds in male plants? Really?
 
6ixtynin9

6ixtynin9

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Resinhound said:
So much misinformation in this thread...the sugars created by the PLANT during active photosynthesis are used for ALL GROWTH.Show me one study that proves these sugars are utilized only locally...when you consume food the blood sugar that your body produces for growth is distributed to your whole body due to your circulatory system.It's the same for plants.THE PLANT chooses where to use those sugars based on its genetics and environment.Now move along.
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Funny how there's so many noobs like Vinny A who comes through all the time and tries to "school" and give "advice" to veterans or long time growers. Though i respect those who read alot and do their research in trying to understand how plant works, i feel Vinny is doing it for all the wrong reason. I think he nitpicks what sounds best to him from magazines and "experts" and tries to pass it off as facts, though he had probably never tried it himself. That sure is the winning mentality - disregard all the facts and throw all the science and studies out the window and religiously follow what a magazine and some experts say. Lol, it's actually quite comical.
 
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6ixtynin9

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KryptoBud said:
Seeds in male plants? Really?
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Lolololol. I KNOW!!!!!! I saw that too. I think he meant pollen sacs on male plants. Nah, I think he knew what he wrote. Perhaps these experts of his that "grows for a living" convinced him males cannabis plants are seed bearers too.
 
6ixtynin9

6ixtynin9

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VinnyA said:
Well the nutes I use were very cheap. They are a 3 part fertilizer system called PH PERFECT, which I paid only $39 for, for 3-1 liter bottles. There is grow, micro and bloom, that you add in equal proportions(I use an eye dropper and give the plants 1 ml of each per qt. of water. It's chelated, so you don't have to use as much as say, miracle gro, which isn't. And the plants absorb it much better than miracle gro, which means you can use much less and the plants absorb it much better. This not only saves money, but saves the plant from getting a toxic dose and burning the plant, possibly killing it. I got that from an article I read from someone who GROWS POT FOR A LIVING! That's what THEY said, and I believe it! But photosynthesis stops when the plant starts to make buds and directs it's energy to that. So you are WRONG, AGAIN! The leaves have no bearing on the buds. What DOES have bearing, though, is the shoots that come up between the stem and fan leaves, where the buds grow. THAT is why you defoliate! Besides the fact that now light and air get into the center of the plant. Why do you think they use light stress training then? It's for the exact same reason, to bend the stems down, so the light and air gets in the center, stimulating shoot growth and ultimately, bud growth. I use both light stress training and defoliation and let me tell you, my plant is starting to fill up with buds, are yours?
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So you ARE using Advance Nutrients. LOL. Well good for you. The nute is not called "PH PERFECT", It's AN's 3 parts base called Advance Nutrient Grow, Micro and Bloom with pH Perfect technology. I use a "one part" fertilizer call Peter's, now known as Jack's. Talk about saving money, I bought a 25 pound bag for $20 (at that time, 2000) and it lasted 7 years. Picked up a 25 pounds bag of Peter's 8 years ago (2007) and it lasted a little over 6 years. Picked up a bag of Jack's a year and a half ago, guess how long it going to last me. Can't say that about "PH PERFECT" huh?
 
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Resinhound

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All the cells of a plant need food to provide them with matter and energy. Plants usually make sugars in their leaves, so they have to ship those sugars from the leaves to the rest of the plant. Likewise, plants take in water through their roots, but they need to get water to the entire plant, especially to the leaves where it’s needed for photosynthesis. So, just like you have veins and arteries to transport blood around your body, plants have vascular tissue that specializes in the transport of sugar and water (see Chapter 9).

Phloem transports sugar from the leaves where it’s made through photosynthesis, to all parts of the plant that need it for growth or that will store it as starch for later. Xylem transports water from the roots up through the plant to supply all the cells with the water they need.

Source: botany for dummies by Renee Fester Kratz,PhD.

What were you saying about experts again??? Plant biology has been thoroughly researched for many years.Maybe you need to start researching the facts,you and your "experts"
 
budman111

budman111

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[QUOTE="VinnyA, post: 12111259, member: 917905" plants will maintain the toxic fertilizer in it's cells and that will make the pot taste harsh and not have the same smell, flavor or quality. You should flush the plant two weeks before to get rid of these toxins, enhancing the smell, flavor and potency.[/QUOTE]

Never had a problem with my pot taste harsh at all and as far as smell goes a Gram of my weed will stink a room even when it is double bagged an i never flush, how are you not pulling out the 'Black ash" mantra too?
 
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