Help! My Patients want wax not bubble Need to make decision now

Blunter the kid

Blunter the kid

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hyroot said:
you are calling me ignorant. You obviously misread the report. Not one msds report states the amount of safe ppm's. They all vary from company to.company. The 800-1000 ppm's is its physical properties. If you inhaled 800 ppm's. You would have inhaled near a whole can. Then there's odor threshold as well. For inhaling, swallowing, on skin, in eyes. They all say high or low amounts.

there's no possible way to remove 100% of chems and gases. There's still a small.percentage left behind in the wax. You still inhale. If the floweres were grown with Chem nutes. Your body absorbs those chems as well.
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You obviously misread what I just posted, the poison is in the dosage and the lethal dosage is far beyond a can of butane...
Your whole argument is based on the premise that everything should be organic and anything petroleum derived is toxic in any amount, I would have to respectfully disagree with you about that...
Edit: I should add that alkanes are not bioaccumulative and are found throughout nature, and you can be certain that your body will be rid of it once it's filtered by your body and excreted just like everything else or in other words...
hyroot said:
It can break down very fast. Within A few days at most. so no harmful effect.
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Fadedawg

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hyroot said:
you are calling me ignorant. You obviously misread the report. Not one msds report states the amount of safe ppm's. They all vary from company to.company. The 800-1000 ppm's is its physical properties. If you inhaled 800 ppm's. You would have inhaled near a whole can. Then there's odor threshold as well. For inhaling, swallowing, on skin, in eyes. They all say high or low amounts.

there's no possible way to remove 100% of chems and gases. There's still a small.percentage left behind in the wax. You still inhale. If the floweres were grown with Chem nutes. Your body absorbs those chems as well.
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Not true. The 800 to 1000 ppm is the PEL, or permissable exposure limit established by NIOSH/OSHA, not the companies. Butane is a simple asphixiant at those low levels.

There is a world of difference between breathing air containing 800/1000 ppm butane, and taking a 100 mg hit containing even twice that much residual butane. That difference is called a decimal place and a series of zeroes. Do the math.......

http://www.mesagas.com/images/n-Butane.pdf
 
hyroot

hyroot

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Fadedawg said:
Not true. The 800 to 1000 ppm is the PEL, or permissable exposure limit established by NIOSH/OSHA, not the companies. Butane is a simple asphixiant at those low levels.

There is a world of difference between breathing air containing 800/1000 ppm butane, and taking a 100 mg hit containing even twice that much residual butane. That difference is called a decimal place and a series of zeroes. Do the math.......

http://www.mesagas.com/images/n-Butane.pdf
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Asphyxiant gas
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An asphyxiant gas is a nontoxic or minimally toxic gas which reduces or displaces the normal oxygen concentration in breathing air. Breathing of oxygen-depleted air can lead to death by asphyxiation (suffocation).

next time you copy and paste from some one else make sure you have a dictionary present. You just proved my point in the first paragraph. Thanks.
 
Blunter the kid

Blunter the kid

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hyroot said:
Asphyxiant gas
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An asphyxiant gas is a nontoxic or minimally toxic gas which reduces or displaces the normal oxygen concentration in breathing air. Breathing of oxygen-depleted air can lead to death by asphyxiation (suffocation).

next time you copy and paste from some one else make sure you have a dictionary present. You just proved my point in the first paragraph. Thanks.
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What was your point again..? Was it that butane is non toxic and the action by which it makes you suffocate is it displaces the normal oxygen concentration which then leads to asphyxiation.
It's the lack of oxygen that kills you, and if you really can't grasp the simple fact that people only breath butane in the ppm levels then you are just ignorant of the facts.
There isn't enough butane in a can to literally push out someone's oxygen supply not even in an enclosed area... So your argument is invalid and the point is moot.
Now your argument is based on the premise that if you smoke bho, then your breathing butane and your going to eventually asphyxiate.

next time you copy and paste from some one else make sure you have a dictionary present. You just proved Fadedawg's point in the first sentence. Thanks.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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Blunter the kid said:
What was your point again..? Was it that butane is non toxic and the action by which it makes you suffocate is it displaces the normal oxygen concentration which then leads to asphyxiation.
It's the lack of oxygen that kills you, and if you really can't grasp the simple fact that people only breath butane in the ppm levels then you are just ignorant of the facts.
there isn't enough butane in a can to literally push out someone's oxygen supply so your argument is invalid and the point is moot.
Now your argument is based on the premise that if you smoke bho, then your breathing butane and your going to eventually asphyxiate.

next time you copy and paste from some one else make sure you have a dictionary present. You just proved my point in the first paragraph. Thanks.
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that's the opposite of what I said. I never said butane is non toxic. I said.its very toxic and highly carcinogenic. My point was a few posts ago. About solvents cutting off oxygen and safety levels on the msds reports. Next time read first before you try to jump in and attack someone. Btw you were very repetitive in that post
 
Blunter the kid

Blunter the kid

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hyroot said:
that's the opposite of what I said. I never said butane is non toxic. I said.its very toxic and highly carcinogenic. My point was a few posts ago. About solvents cutting off oxygen and safety levels on the msds reports. Next time read first before you try to jump in and attack someone. Btw you were very repetitive in that post
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Butane is a simple asphyxiant, it isn't toxic in any way other than the fact that if you breath too much for too long without catching a few breaths of oxygen you will die.. Same as breathing carbon dioxide, same as breathing pure oxygen.
There have been no studies confirming butane as a carcinogen, it is used extensively in the food industry.
I feel repetition is the only way to get through to you but I can see there's no point to argue with you because you don't understand and you don't want to understand it for some reason.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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Blunter the kid said:
Butane is a simple asphyxiant, it isn't toxic in any way other than the fact that if you breath too much for too long without catching a few breaths of oxygen you will die.. Same as breathing carbon dioxide, same as breathing pure oxygen.
There have been no studies confirming butane as a carcinogen, it is used extensively in the food industry.
I feel repetition is the only way to get through to you but I can see there's no point to argue with you because you don't understand and you don't want to understand it for some reason.
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not toxic huh check those reports from each company again.


hyroot said:
Butane is essentially made from crude oil with several chemical additives. There's no such thing as 100% clean bho. So even after purge. There's still 5%-30% of benzene, propane propellants, hydrocarbon propellants, propane, cyclopropane dimethylmethane, freon, propylhydride, trimethylene, methylpropane, petroleum and sodium sulfide in n butane.

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those reports show thresh hold amount and what to do if : breathing, swallowing, or touches skin. still says to see a doctor if any of those occur.
 
Blunter the kid

Blunter the kid

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/HUMAN EXPOSURE STUDIES/ On direct contact, liquefied butane may cause burns or frostbite to the eyes, skin, or mucous membranes. The inhalation of 10,000 ppm for 10 min may result in CNS depression but produces no systemic effects. It can cause blurred vision and can be aspirated resulting in pneumonitis.
[Bingham, E.; Cohrssen, B.; Powell, C.H.; Patty's Toxicology Volumes 1-9 5th ed. John Wiley & Sons. New York, N.Y. (2001)., p. V4 15] **PEER REVIEWED**

Again at amounts much higher than we would ever come into contact with butane is still relatively safe as long as your not breathing it exclusively.
There is less than 100 ppm of butane in a gram of wax if it has been purged and people don't usually smoke the whole gram at once so a persons intake of butane is minuscule compared to the amount needed to be toxic.
Not only that, but right after you take a dab you breathe it out and fill your lungs with air so the butane would never have a chance to make you asphyxiate... As if it even could in the amounts were talking about.
The waxy coating on the outside of the trichomes in your bubble hash is far more harmful to breathe than butane is.
 
Daub Marley

Daub Marley

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hyroot said:
If you inhaled 800 ppm's. You would have inhaled near a whole can.
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ppm is not a volume ( a can of butane) it is a fraction of some measurement. You are either a moron or a professional troll.
hyroot said:
you are calling me ignorant.
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YES
So FD says butane is an asphyxiant gas and you reply with a wikipedia post that says
hyroot said:
An asphyxiant gas is a nontoxic or minimally toxic gas
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Then you say
hyroot said:
I never said butane is non toxic. I said.its very toxic and highly carcinogenic.
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Seeing as how you quoted wikipedia and then you disagree with it why don't you eat your words and
hyroot said:
provide some proof.
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hyroot said:
your opinions are just that, opinions.
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Ironic.
 
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JointOperation

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fluffygrrrl said:
I've been on the internet 12 hours a day reading up & watching videos on making wax or shatter, since my patients want this rather than bubble hash. My head is spinning!!! Most of the videos on youtube have people criticizing them, so it is so hard to figure out what the best way to do it. I've gone thru the threads on here too. I'm going back and forth between butane and iso. And since I've got a lot of material to go through, what is the most economical way in the long run, and what is the best product to buy. Since I'm a medical provider, I want to do it right. I've got to make a decision the next few days as I've got a major outdoor chop that I'm looking at starting the end of the month. I'm legally allowed 72 plants (and they are big), so I need to buy something that can do larger batches. If you guys can help me, I'd really appreciate any help.

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also if you dont have a vacuum chamber.. dont bother doing it at all for medical patients.. if you wana ruin your lungs.. thats cool but medical patients deserve more.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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Daub Marley said:
ppm is not a volume ( a can of butane) it is a fraction of some measurement. You are either a moron or a professional troll.
YES
So FD says butane is an asphyxiant gas and you reply with a wikipedia post that says

Then you say

Seeing as how you quoted wikipedia and then you disagree with it why don't you eat your words and


Ironic.
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ppm's is the number of harmful contaminants thats in the can and on the msds reports that says for toxiciy levels. I never once said volume. It was in response to to someone else post saying 800 ppm's of butane is safe to breathe. He said it was an asphyxiant supporting what I said. If you read his post. In his context he didn't know what asphyxiant is by definition. He supported what I said accidentally. He was trying prove me wrong and did the opposite. Asphyxiant is a chemical that depletes oxygen and suffocates you and causes brain damage.. That's just 2 reasons why its dangerous. the other is metal poisoning, cancer, respiratory issues, liver damage.. the list goes on. All this has been scientifically proven. Whether you believe it or not. thats your choice. in the future when you are denied surgery due to the amount of chemicals and heavy metals in your body from bho you will be very regretful.


Why is it so hard for you guys to read. You just cherry pick a few words. You call me ignorant and a troll. Yet you refuse to read and haven't proved anything. You are the definition of ignorant.
 
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