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grow465

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oh alright. I just wanted to make sure I was on the same page as you guys. both the units I was looking at claimed about 2k par/mmol.
I guess my big question is should i avoid the red blue leds and run strictly full spectrum white leds?
lots of people mentioned cods but as i said im trying to trade local for an led light so custom unfortunately isnt an option.
why people reccomending cods, is it just cost efficency, or is it because full spectrum is so much better?
Thanks olive thats what I was looking for as far as brands go. ill keep my eyes open for viparspectra.
Is the SOL 9 also repuatable, reliable, quality?
 
Airwalker16

Airwalker16

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grow465 said:
oh alright. I just wanted to make sure I was on the same page as you guys. both the units I was looking at claimed about 2k par/mmol.
I guess my big question is should i avoid the red blue leds and run strictly full spectrum white leds?
lots of people mentioned cods but as i said im trying to trade local for an led light so custom unfortunately isnt an option.
why people reccomending cods, is it just cost efficency, or is it because full spectrum is so much better?
Thanks olive thats what I was looking for as far as brands go. ill keep my eyes open for viparspectra.
Is the SOL 9 also repuatable, reliable, quality?
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C-O-B-S are better because the sun isn't Blurple.
 
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grow465

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Levradus said:
Do not mess with all the ideas,numbers and parameters. I did once and advise you please you do not. Most of the quality led chips provide you ideal spectrums that is what you need. I made one by myself mixture of cobs and monos and it looks amazing for me but I have spent 3 months on forums changed the project million times. In my situation I havent got much money to spend actually no money that is why it took soo long but for 1000-2000 dollars you can do more than overkill !

Tell us the area of you have ? Do u want sing high powerful output like your old 1000w hid or smooth out all over the place ?
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Pretty much exactly what I was thinking. I do car audio so im use to companies trying to rip me off by advertising things that dont matter, like 4000 Max watts! So what things do/dont matter? whats the best way to look at a light and tell its garbage or "a sun"? I was pretty much exclusively looking at PAR output and Watts per LED.

I have a 5 by 5 by 8 tent but i also have a walkin closet that i can use if they get to big (very good problem) 4 by 8 by 10. im not exactly sure what you mean by that second part. I want it to be as bright as possible. but I dont want to lose all of my light after it hits the top leafs.
I was thinking of maybe putting a second red/blue led under the plants to help disperse the light to all the leaves, I was also thinking of running the led with a metal halide also to help stems stand and penetrate the leaves. Im not sure what my best course of action is and its to much money to invest in a shitty product.
 
Airwalker16

Airwalker16

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grow465 said:
Pretty much exactly what I was thinking. I do car audio so im use to companies trying to rip me off by advertising things that dont matter, like 4000 Max watts! So what things do/dont matter? whats the best way to look at a light and tell its garbage or "a sun"?

I have a 5 by 5 by 8 tent but i also have a walkin closet that i can use if they get to big (very good problem) 4 by 8 by 10. im not exactly sure what you mean by that second part. I want it to be as bright as possible. but I dont want to lose all of my light after it hits the top leafs.
I was thinking of maybe putting a second red/blue led under the plants to help disperse the light to all the leaves, I was also thinking of running the led with a metal halide also to help stems stand and penetrate the leaves. Im not sure what my best course of action is and its to much money to invest in a shitty product.
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Read the forums man. Your questions are quite commonm
 
Airwalker16

Airwalker16

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grow465 said:
Pretty much exactly what I was thinking. I do car audio so im use to companies trying to rip me off by advertising things that dont matter, like 4000 Max watts! So what things do/dont matter? whats the best way to look at a light and tell its garbage or "a sun"?

I have a 5 by 5 by 8 tent but i also have a walkin closet that i can use if they get to big (very good problem) 4 by 8 by 10. im not exactly sure what you mean by that second part. I want it to be as bright as possible. but I dont want to lose all of my light after it hits the top leafs.
I was thinking of maybe putting a second red/blue led under the plants to help disperse the light to all the leaves, I was also thinking of running the led with a metal halide also to help stems stand and penetrate the leaves. Im not sure what my best course of action is and its to much money to invest in a shitty product.
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As far as cobs go thought don't buy anything unless it's CREE CXB3590/3070, CitizenCLU, or VERO29/10, chips on board COB.
 
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grow465

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^ so is it bullshit? what aspects? (can more than one person confirm?) it seems rather unbiased and he calls out some companies for pretty tiny details. Lots of companies are not reccommended due to lies on specifications.
So I guess ill ask again.
what are the shit budget brands that underperform?
who makes products that actually do what they fxcking say?
I refuse to spend this much money on a gamble.
 
Airwalker16

Airwalker16

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grow465 said:
^ so is it bullshit? what aspects? (can more than one person confirm?) it seems rather unbiased and he calls out some companies for pretty tiny details. Lots of companies are not reccommended due to lies on specifications.
So I guess ill ask again.
what are the shit budget brands that underperform?
who makes products that actually do what they fxcking say?
I refuse to spend this much money on a gamble.
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Buy cob kits from www.northerngrowlights.com
Www.Timbergrowlights.com
Or buy a Www.tastyled.com.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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grow465 said:
^ so is it bullshit? what aspects? (can more than one person confirm?) it seems rather unbiased and he calls out some companies for pretty tiny details. Lots of companies are not reccommended due to lies on specifications.
So I guess ill ask again.
what are the shit budget brands that underperform?
who makes products that actually do what they fxcking say?
I refuse to spend this much money on a gamble.
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If they advertise on RIU, chances are they're a good gamble.

A very incomplete list;
Johnson Grow Lights
Northern Grow Lights
Tasty LED
and many more. ..
 
verticalgrow

verticalgrow

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grow465 said:
^ so is it bullshit? what aspects? (can more than one person confirm?) it seems rather unbiased and he calls out some companies for pretty tiny details. Lots of companies are not reccommended due to lies on specifications.
So I guess ill ask again.
what are the shit budget brands that underperform?
who makes products that actually do what they fxcking say?
I refuse to spend this much money on a gamble.
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PLC http://www.pacificlightconcepts.com/product/cx-bar/
Gene is a trustworthy guy
 
FranJan

FranJan

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grow465 said:
I want at least a 1000w HID replacement......
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I don't work for them nor am I a LED salesperson/business owner. What you want is something that ain't exactly cheap.

https://store.heliospectra.com/collections/bestselling/products/e601c

Designed to replace a 1000 Watt HID, the E601C is a high intensity, fixed spectrum LED grow light designed for flowering crops. Developed together with some of the world’s leading growers, the E601C is a plug-n-play replacement to your HID lighting.

Recommended Applications
  • Controlled environments agriculture
  • Commercial horticulture
The E60 offers:
  • A wide, uniform PAR light distribution
  • Two-tiered optics
  • Advanced heat dissipation solution
  • Removable duct flange
  • Intense light output

What's in the box?
  • Your E601C LED grow light
  • 2 m (6 ft) power cable (open ended)
  • 2pcs M6 Bolts (Ø 6mm)
  • E60 Manual


The C plate: high PAR light with the addition of Far-Red (735nm) light. Ideal for flowering crops. A customized light ratio of:

  • blue (450nm)
  • white (5700K)
  • red (660nm)
  • far-red (735nm)
Spectral & Full Spectrum Output



PAR Distribution Pattern
By utilizing secondary optics lenses, the LX601 is designed to uniformly cover a 1.2m x 1.2m (4ft x 4ft) area when the light is 0.5m (1ft 7in) from the plants.

 
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grow465

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ttystikk said:
If they advertise on RIU, chances are they're a good gamble.

A very incomplete list;
Johnson Grow Lights
Northern Grow Lights
Tasty LED
and many more. ..
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thanks didnt know that. that helps.
Im also very interested in bad manufactures.
It would be nice to see if theres an aspect to instantly tell if a product is even worth reading about.
in car audio if the fuses are less than 1/10 of power output they are lying. some rule of thumb like that.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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grow465 said:
thanks didnt know that. that helps.
Im also very interested in bad manufactures.
It would be nice to see if theres an aspect to instantly tell if a product is even worth reading about.
in car audio if the fuses are less than 1/10 of power output they are lying. some rule of thumb like that.
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The more you learn about COB LED, the better the advice I gave you looks.
 
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grow465

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ttystikk said:
The more you learn about COB LED, the better the advice I gave you looks.
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I woulda liked your post if i could find the button haha. Yes I see you mentioned COB being better but i dont understand how.
That heliospectra is only 1,000$ and outputs 862 nanomol at 1.7ft
tastyleds top model is $700 and outputs 150 nanomol at (2ft?)

both units use full spectrum light.
Either heliospectra is lying like everyone else and only tasty is giving legit numbers.
Or the helio is actually 6x more powerful for (basically) the same price.

what is your reason for saying that COB is a better alternative? im not saying it isnt. I just dont understand your reasoning.
The price of quality does not range this heavily a $1000 and a $4200 unit will not be the same.
 
FranJan

FranJan

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grow465 said:
Either heliospectra is lying like everyone else and only tasty is giving legit numbers.
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Helio is in a different league but that doesn't make them better than a proper COB rig, and PLC is not a bad choice but when you say you want this and that Helio's offerings meet your requirements IMHO. I know dick about Tasty but I don't think they're where Helio are at atm.

https://www.heliospectra.com/blog/top-quality-led-grow-lights-certification-and-safety-measurements-heliospectra

"Below is a video of our ingression protection rating (IP rating) performed by Nemko, a Norwegian product testing and certification Company located in Oslo (www.nemko.com). Where 10 liters of water, during 20 mins, is sprayed onto the light at 50-150 kPa."


"We ensure that our LED Grow Lights have the best quality and live up to the standards set by us and our customers. That is why they are put to the test through extensive, third-party certification processes. Heliospectra grow lights have the following certifications:"

  • RoHS compliant
  • cMETus
  • CE marking
  • CSA
  • REACH
  • EN55015
  • and they are certified to UL 1598 & CSA C22.2 standards.
 
Airwalker16

Airwalker16

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grow465 said:
I woulda liked your post if i could find the button haha. Yes I see you mentioned COB being better but i dont understand how.
That heliospectra is only 1,000$ and outputs 862 nanomol at 1.7ft
tastyleds top model is $700 and outputs 150 nanomol at (2ft?)

both units use full spectrum light.
Either heliospectra is lying like everyone else and only tasty is giving legit numbers.
Or the helio is actually 6x more powerful for (basically) the same price.

what is your reason for saying that COB is a better alternative? im not saying it isnt. I just dont understand your reasoning.
The price of quality does not range this heavily a $1000 and a $4200 unit will not be the same.
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@Rahz
 
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