Unclebaldrick
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9/4 is still a fraction. Trump accidentally told the truth in this regard.
Health care is not a human right
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TacoMac
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Which is why our Constitution says:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".
Our nation grants rights to humans. The very first right GUARANTEED is life.
It takes health care to provide life, ergo health care is a human right in the United States.
Ironically, every other civilised nation already admits that. They all have universal health care.
The United States is the only advanced nation that doesn't.
In a case of double irony, we're the only nation that guarantees it but refuses to supply it.
DNAprotection
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Wow, where am I lol
First off your quote is from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.
Second thing is that the Constitutions does not "grant" rights, it protects rights on the basis that they are self evident.
I would go on, but if you knew better the Declaration of Independence then you would better understand the Constitution as it gets it's justification, mission, and marching orders from the Declaration.
DNAprotection
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Laws can be changed, the Constitution can even be amended, but you can't change the Declaration that informs the Constitution and you can't create a human right.
You can create a civil right.
DNAprotection
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Of course this is a separate question and the answer to which we seem to agree.If the govt makes me sick the govt should pay to fix my ass. Fuck big words
Don't tell me you don't eat...........or drink water. But maybe you are a fucking alien....so who knows
ChiefRunningPhist
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You can define human rights as civil rights, yes I agree.
DNAprotection
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All things are related of course, but no civil rights are not the same as human rights.
You have a human right to trade things, but you have a civil right to trade things within the commercial markets etc
ChiefRunningPhist
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Civil rights are a reflection of human rights, whether they have defined them correctly yet or to the populous' satisfaction is arguing semantics, people are responsible for creating the notion of what a human right is and therefore can amend it. If you need legal validation then so be it, but that can be amended. Your viewpoint is no more valid now than when people defended jim crow laws before they were abolished..
TacoMac
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They are one in the same, retard.
The Declaration is the promise. The Constitution is the fulfillment.
Everything the Declaration promised is backed up by law in the Constitution.
Once again, if you ever make it past elementary school, you'll learn that.
DNAprotection
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Civil rights are only a "reflection" of human rights in so far as they try to assure equal rights and access to the commercial constructs of society.
The fact remains that you are naturally endowed with certain rights.
ChiefRunningPhist
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Lol there you go again pivoting it upon capitalism. The point of a right is that it supercedes other forms of governing limitations.
DNAprotection
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No, the point of a self evident naturally endowed human right is that it "supersedes other forms of governing limitations", or in other words comes before and is protected from disparagement.
Civil rights are regulated by "governing limitations".
ChiefRunningPhist
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You can't put constraints on rights. If someone happens to be privatizing access to a right that the majority believe we are innately endowed with, then that's encroaching on the individuals' rights. Lobbyists are controlled by money and much of our system is set up to benefit the rich including the way healthcare is distributed. Assuming you are correct that by legal definition we as humans aren't endowed the right to access medicine, it only needs a bit of legislation and it's changed. When that happens, will you still argue along the same logic, or will you disagree with how that legal distinction is applied then, when it comes to healthcare?
Unclebaldrick
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So these "self evident naturally endowed" rights just didn't apply to black people, right? And you expect us to believe your view of what a human right is?
Get the fuck out of here and get your fat ass back to Liberty University. You still have some time to achieve your freshman year goal of finally getting laid.
Unclebaldrick
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DNAprotection
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If humans were naturally endowed with the right to commercial medicine then it would be free.
No matter how you regulate guns, for example, even if you wiped out the 2nd amendment and banned all guns, this would not change your self evident right to defend yourself against harm.
ChiefRunningPhist
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That's am incorrect supposition. That may be your opinion.
Grandpapy
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Monsanto operates your health care insurance why do support them?
A new gold-standard triple therapy for H.I.V. has just made its debut in Africa. It costs $75 a year. In the United States, many people with H.I.V. take an almost identical therapy. It costs $39,000 a year.
DNAprotection
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How is that
Are you saying you could constitutionally outlaw self defense?
You would need to burn the Declaration first.
How so?
Are you saying you could constitutionally outlaw self defense?
You would need to burn the Declaration first.