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GreenHighlander

GreenHighlander

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Noinch said:
I never said high testing strains in general were bad so I don't know why you're implying that I'm against people having strong medicine. I just said there's a problem with people saying all weed needs to be high testing like a lot of people in this thread specifically bashing strains that they even admit taste and smell nice and have great terpene profiles but are 'trash' because they're not super potent. That's all I'm saying
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This is the difference between medicine and simply getting high. Both hold merit but for completely different reasons. Just because something tests high in THC does not mean it is good medicine, and vise versa.
Every individual and every condition is as different as the cannabinoid and terp profile of each strain. Only paying attention to thc levels has made us lose as many great strains as prohibition did in regards to non high yielding fast flowering strains.
In my opinion this is part of the beauty of cannabis.
Cheers :)
 
Amos Otis

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Noinch said:
I'd rather smoke a really nice 15% thc old school strain than smoke on some 40% superhyperalienkush that you take one hit of and become retarded for a few hours
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Bodyne said:
That one hit shit lasts longer, and works better as a medicine than as a cocktail.
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You know what would be cool? If either of you cats would identify these "one hit" strains. Personally, I believe they're as real as Big Foot.
 
mistermagoo

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Bodyne said:
I understand, just wanting to make the medicine perspective point. Not trash, I just think many look at it as why bother, if you are going to grow or buy, do you want stuff that tastes and looks just ok, or you gonna want the stronger stuff. But its up to each his own, hence so many bean banks, cuts circulating, etc. jmo
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I definitely understand what you’re saying. Bang for your buck in a way.

But after so many years and so many strains I realized how much it depends on individuals needs and /or genetic makeup, different amount of receptors in each individual brain etc. one strain that may uplift someone’s depresssion and anxiety may be a 15 percent strain that gets them to function in the real world.

There’s much more in the flowers than thc and cbd that goes into play with the high, and individual ailments

Some may need a knockout for sleep. Some may need the pain killing effects but still do their work well function and concentrate. Remember we all have different careers also, during the day I need my math on point etc. some strains slow me down and have me thinking slower, some faster .

My point is Everyone’s needs and chemical make up is different, so effect from each strain and pheno is different person to person.
 
Dr. Who

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40AmpstoFreedom said:
It's not a true male though. The genome is missing those genes, it just expresses male parts.


Yeah it is real but what is also real is the fact that the plant doesn't have any male genetics in the genome at all. It isn't a true male, just expresses male parts. Chimera has a post about this that details what they found in the lab he works at. It's in his forum and in my old post I mentioned here. Sam also goes into detail on it and fem seeds in general in a great post over there too.

People do also have true males show up from not knowing wtf they are doing when making fems and using unstable parents. A hermi in the mix will ruin everything. Selfing is not a great way to make fem seeds...has it's uses and can be done, but not at all a proper way. Larger populations are the way to go most of the time.
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Thing being it expresses no actual female parts either!
Those male parts work damn good too... I've heard a cpl of guys call them "super males". For the life of me, I don't remember why,,and I don't agree with that either. Althogth, if I get another at some point. I will work it to see what it's use does.

I have seen, at one time long ago. One of those "males", produce more males in the offspring of that "male". Not at normal ratio's either. I did not see, nor know what became of further results. It was someone else's work and I did not visit him again for some years.

As a side bar:
I have a friend who bought several packs of beans from a limited run by a cooperative breeding program by 2 rather well known breeders.
This fellow I am speaking of, could not get any of those beans that did pop (He had problems popping them too.) to do any more then go full on balls bisexual at about weeks 4&5 in bloom.

I wanted this strain and didn't want to spend up for it at this point. This friend then sent me 2 clones of each surviving pheno.
My results were "normal" for both pheno's! NO herming at any point, no expression of any kind of herming action. Lovely, long, thick, trich covered (heavy too) budding with some interesting bud structure on this first run - "flat ends, with splits at the top bud. Like 2 massive buds form the end of the main." (on the #21 pheno - more sativa expressed in growth patterns. The # 19 pheno is more Indica in growth expression and has "normal" bud structure).

I think it was environmental stress he was experiencing....Environment meaning; temps, RH, feed, infestations/infections. Just about anything off "norm"...
 
whytewidow

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Dr. Who said:
Thing being it expresses no actual female parts either!
Those male parts work damn good too... I've heard a cpl of guys call them "super males". For the life of me, I don't remember why,,and I don't agree with that either. Althogth, if I get another at some point. I will work it to see what it's use does.

I have seen, at one time long ago. One of those "males", produce more males in the offspring of that "male". Not at normal ratio's either. I did not see, nor know what became of further results. It was someone else's work and I did not visit him again for some years.

As a side bar:
I have a friend who bought several packs of beans from a limited run by a cooperative breeding program by 2 rather well known breeders.
This fellow I am speaking of, could not get any of those beans that did pop (He had problems popping them too.) to do any more then go full on balls bisexual at about weeks 4&5 in bloom.

I wanted this strain and didn't want to spend up for it at this point. This friend then sent me 2 clones of each surviving pheno.
My results were "normal" for both pheno's! NO herming at any point, no expression of any kind of herming action. Lovely, long, thick, trich covered (heavy too) budding with some interesting bud structure on this first run - "flat ends, with splits at the top bud. Like 2 massive buds form the end of the main." (on the #21 pheno - more sativa expressed in growth patterns. The # 19 pheno is more Indica in growth expression and has "normal" bud structure).

I think it was environmental stress he was experiencing....Environment meaning; temps, RH, feed, infestations/infections. Just about anything off "norm"...
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Have you ever had a seed plant hermie and take clones and run them, and have a successful flower? No hermie. I'm guessing that's what you mean. His were seeded moms. And he sent cuts of his that were herming. But the clones you run didnt correct?
 
Bodyne

Bodyne

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GreenHighlander said:
This is the difference between medicine and simply getting high. Both hold merit but for completely different reasons. Just because something tests high in THC does not mean it is good medicine, and vise versa.
Every individual and every condition is as different as the cannabinoid and terp profile of each strain. Only paying attention to thc levels has made us lose as many great strains as prohibition did in regards to non high yielding fast flowering strains.
In my opinion this is part of the beauty of cannabis.
Cheers :)
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what he said^. Beauty of the plant. Far as tolerance goes, prolly best Ive had aka one hit or two, was Chem D cut grown perfect, not by me, and good and amber. One other one that comes to mind was FireAlienUrkel, grown for a club in Medford, even though I don't like purps and I can't afford any good alien gear. That was prolly one I would go to great lengths within reason to get or grow. But I still like some of them ole strains Shivas, NL, hate hazes, love affies, etc. But the one hitters were the ones I mentioned. I had a newbie geeter out on me on some fresh Maverick, laughed for an hour straight. Kinda pissed me off. lol. Anyhow, Peace and karma gents, think I got 3 of the four copper chem up and one CV's La Affie. babyin em upGonna try a bigger container for the affie and at least one copper fem if I get one. I picked the smallest lightest beans of the packs, just in case.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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jayblaze710 said:
I keep waiting for someone to actually point out the science behind this, but I keep seeing a bunch of bro science.

People might find “male” appearing plants in their fem seeds. They’re either from pollen contamination, or are extreme herms that will only produce female offspring. Which means it’s genotypically still a female despite its appearance.

Otherwise, people are arguing that a spontaneous mutation arose generating a brand new sex determination factor, which is ludicrous. If that occurred once every 3000 offspring, cannabis simply wouldn’t have sex chromosomes.
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Mathematical probability. IS science!
There are many things in science that still lack explanation for "why".

The need for "why" something happens is really kind of moot. It happens! Just because YOU haven't seen it. Doesn't mean it can't happen. Nor does lack of explanation mean it can't.

Genetic's is not my specialty, I have enough running knowledge to breed some pretty flowers for my wife and create some interesting cannabis cross's.... Yet when Matt Riot, Greenthumb, The breeders at Mephisto and Dankness himself, in personal contact, says it happens that way....I take that as "It happens".
Not to mention first hand experience....Fuck what you think science says! Maybe your interpretation is wrong. After all, the vast majority of Muslims do not believe the Koran says to kill all non Muslims! Like the truth being that Christians and Muslims both pray to the same God. Some "Christians" have trouble wrapping their heads around that FACT!

Where's your FACT'S that it can't? I don't want your interpretation of the laws of genetics.....I want those facts that say it can't! Cause I sure have seen it HAPPEN!
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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whytewidow said:
Have you ever had a seed plant hermie and take clones and run them, and have a successful flower? No hermie. I'm guessing that's what you mean. His were seeded moms. And he sent cuts of his that were herming. But the clones you run didnt correct?
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NO! NOT "seeded mom's".

These were cuts taken from plants that were popped from the seeds from the breeder.

He ran all the beans. Labeled the differing pheno's as they grew. Took cuts from each to send to several of us that work together.
The plants he was running then expressed full on balls bisexuality (the REAL term for herming) at weeks 4 to 5 in bloom.
His plants never reached maturity! He scrapped them for space to run other projects and not bother with bisexual strain expression in this strain - They ALL did it!

He scrapped them all. Sending only the cuts he took to me, and not the others in our little kaffe kletch of grower/breeders...

These cuts he took have NOT expressed one single bit, any form of bisexuality (for me)!

He knows, we speak all the time. He has seen pictures of my plants in full on bloom. They are in the bulking phase as we speak with 0 (zero) bisexuality expression as of 10 am this mourning.
 
whytewidow

whytewidow

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Dr. Who said:
NO! NOT "seeded mom's".

These were cuts taken from plants that were popped from the seeds from the breeder.

He ran all the beans. Labeled the differing pheno's as they grew. Took cuts from each to send to several of us that work together.
The plants he was running then expressed full on balls bisexuality (the REAL term for herming) at weeks 4 to 5 in bloom.
His plants never reached maturity! He scrapped them for space to run other projects and not bother with bisexual strain expression in this strain - They ALL did it!

He scrapped them all. Sending only the cuts he took to me, and not the others in our little kaffe kletch of grower/breeders...

These cuts he took have NOT expressed one single bit, any form of bisexuality (for me)!

He knows, we speak all the time. He has seen pictures of my plants in full on bloom. They are in the bulking phase as we speak with 0 (zero) bisexuality expression as of 10 am this mourning.
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I have a cookies strain that I popped. Took clones. Flowered the original seed mom plant. Threw balls like crazy week 6. The clones I flowered. Finished perfectly. Not even a single nanner.
 
LubdaNugs

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whytewidow said:
Pebble Pusher #2 starting to fill out and getting frosty n sticky. Shes all but lost her fpog leaner smell. Shes str8 chem. Unfortunately. Unless she smokes amazingly. She wont be a keeper.
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Bummer, is that your only female.
 
Michael Huntherz

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Dr. Who said:
Mathematical probability. IS science!
There are many things in science that still lack explanation for "why".

The need for "why" something happens is really kind of moot. It happens! Just because YOU haven't seen it. Doesn't mean it can't happen. Nor does lack of explanation mean it can't.

Genetic's is not my specialty, I have enough running knowledge to breed some pretty flowers for my wife and create some interesting cannabis cross's.... Yet when Matt Riot, Greenthumb, The breeders at Mephisto and Dankness himself, in personal contact, says it happens that way....I take that as "It happens".
Not to mention first hand experience....Fuck what you think science says! Maybe your interpretation is wrong. After all, the vast majority of Muslims do not believe the Koran says to kill all non Muslims! Like the truth being that Christians and Muslims both pray to the same God. Some "Christians" have trouble wrapping their heads around that FACT!

Where's your FACT'S that it can't? I don't want your interpretation of the laws of genetics.....I want those facts that say it can't! Cause I sure have seen it HAPPEN!
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It is interesting that the events which don’t make sense under that moment’s scientific model are where discoveries occur. Shit happens that cannot be explained, that’s true. Statistically those events are outliers, the day-to-day applicability of those data is limited by our understanding, and so those events get disregarded in practice. However, when scientists seek to learn something new, which is their basic job description...those edge cases may become critical data, and often contain answers to previously unasked questions.

Hippie Guy says: “There is no such thing as true black or white, everything is a spectrum.”
 
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Coloradoclear

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whytewidow said:
Pebble Pusher #2 starting to fill out and getting frosty n sticky. Shes all but lost her fpog leaner smell. Shes str8 chem. Unfortunately. Unless she smokes amazingly. She wont be a keeper.
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I am hoping to pop some of my Pebble Pusher beans this fall.
 
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psychadelibud said:
There is Road Kill Skunk, true to its name here in my area of Kentucky and has been around since the 80's very abundant and stable in seed form. I know the 2 old guys that keep producing it..

This is not a dutch skunk, this is not a modern day skunk, at all. It will finish anywhere from late October to around November 15th here depending on the pheno you get and there are only 2 phenos to be found in the seeds. They both pretty much smell the same but one does have a bit little more wider indica shaped leaves with a darker green color and the other one with the long thinner very jagged edged light green leaves is my favorite, the leaves in shape are very reminiscent of Cinderella 99. You can smell this plant by mid flower, a single large plant at least 100 ft away if the wind is blowing right.

There is ZERO sweet notes in the bud period even after a good cure. The only other smell that I get from her than straight dead rotting skunk marinated in fermented piss and a light burnt rubber stinch is after a long cure there is a hint of old strong dark black coffee in the mix.

You can have a half a gram in your vehicle for 5 minutes and your car will smell like skunk spray for the remainder of the day. The scent on this particular skunk strain around here is the most pungent acrid skunk I have ever smelled and you absolutely cannot tell a difference between it and a real dead roadkill skunk. A carbon filter will NOT work for this one period. If one was to grow it indoors you would need to make sure you are running a legal grow or a very secluded grow away from your home and the general population.

It has one of the most enjoyable highs I have seen. Its one of the very few strains I have smoked that always turn your eyes deeply bloodshot red and warm feeling. Lots of pressure in the frontal lobe and you will notice off guard that you always have a little smoky grin permanently fixed on your face. Gives the giggles like no other and makes the body tingle in a very uplifting sensation. If you smoke too much it makes you very stupid and straight stoned but increases your heart rate to where it is annoyingly worrisome. It can and will make you very paranoid if you over indulge. I have grown out several new age skunks and cheeses and never once have I got a smell or stone close to the local skunk here.
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Yea very true, I've lived all over KY, got this same pheno when I lived in a mountain town in eastern ky. Not in seed form tho..The locals simply called it "clone pot" or "skunk pot" and always say "wait untill the first frost before you harvest"
Kill bud that has been passed around for generations in KY.
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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Michael Huntherz said:
I love Mr. Bungle a lot, Mike Patton fan generally, right there with you. Bungle is startlingly brilliant.

None of Them Knew They Were Robots, I actually know all the words from memory.

Zappa has some amazing stuff you might dig, but his catalog is so huge, it is hard to know where to start. One Size Fits All and Roxy and Elsewhere, maybe?
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@srh88 introduced me to Mr. Bungle midway into a shroom trip. It was pretty awesome.
 
2easy

2easy

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Amos Otis said:
You know what would be cool? If either of you cats would identify these "one hit" strains. Personally, I believe they're as real as Big Foot.
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thats going to come down to personal tolerance more than anything. what might be a one hitter for me might not be for you. i would say i have a below average tolerance because i work a lot. i generally come home from work and get high and thats it. im not hitting it all night. that said even for me a 1 hitter is pretty rare but they do exist. but my mates who roll out of bed and reach for the bong, i doubt there is anything that would be a 1 hitter for them.

hell i made a bunch of cookies using a big block of bubble hash once and they were so potent they had 3 different people out on there back watching kaleidoscopes on the back of their eye lids.everybody else were so stoned they barely spoke or moved. but then i had one mate that was totally fine with it eating them like they were nothing and ripping more cones into him hahaha
 
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