Got a dutch? GROWING AND GROWING AND.....

Here's some pictures guys. Yellowing has come to a halt, got a nice watering about 6 or so hours ago. The over watering incident set me back at least a couple days, but I won't veg any longer than previously planned. I'll have to look back but I believe when the lights come on tonight, that'll put these ladies right around 2 weeks with the injured lady a day behind. Will veg for a minimum of another week and two being my max.

Anyways, here's the pictures......

Taking them a bit to bounce back, hopefully within the next couple of days I'll start seeing better growth.

yeah.. moisture stress and damage can be a bitch.. From pics I see that leaves are cupped. Your aim is to uncup them, growth comes afterwards.. Are you sure it's not related to heat? Plant is cupping leaves in order to prevent water evaporation, that is due to overwatering and heat.. With underwatering it simply start looking droopy
oh bhoy.. good luck on solving this, but remember to be patient as well..

simisimis said:

yeah.. moisture stress and damage can be a bitch.. From pics I see that leaves are cupped. Your aim is to uncup them, growth comes afterwards.. Are you sure it's not related to heat? Plant is cupping leaves in order to prevent water evaporation, that is due to overwatering and heat.. With underwatering it simply start looking droopy
oh bhoy.. good luck on solving this, but remember to be patient as well..

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Nope, it's definitely not heat stress. Every sign these plants are giving point me straight to over watering every time I try to let something change my mind. The plants reaction after I let the pot dry out 90% of the way and then watered more appropriately, they are in fact doing better, they just haven't picked up the pace a 2 week old plant should be having. Still refusing to add more light until I know she's better, one problem at a time.

Another day has passed, and from what I can tell, the yellowing has completely stopped, the leaves have pretty much "uncupped", the leaves are getting larger, and slightly more green (except of course the already yellowed parts). Not going to say I'm "out of the woods" yet though. I'll have to let a couple more days pass before I say that. The first set of true leaves on the plant that was more badly damaged, pretty much gone. Some green left on them though, so they're staying.

After a few days..if all is well, I'll be adding the final bulb(s). If the box can handle 5 during veg with the door opened, and maintain temps around 80-82, I'll add a sixth bulb at the beginning of flower. I'm thinking it might be beneficial to put another lamp (socket) in to better spread my bulbs, going to attempt to surround my plants when they get bigger.

Just watered for a decent amount of runoff this time. Still having some cupping issues, maybe my watering wasn't the problem. The plant that is a bit further ahead is finally showing some growth at the nodes. The other has improved as well. Everything (except the damage that was done) on these plants are green..stem, leaves, green.

We are just over 2 weeks in, I'll be adding the 5th bulb momentarily, angled the right way...should turn out to look like 3 bulbs per plant. I'll take some more pictures either tonight after the lights come on, or the following morning.

well damaged leaves do not recover. Cupping is usually from overwatering, heat or humidity stress. Then plant tries to protect itself. It goes into emergency mode, tries to block respiration to keep water in the cells, then growth is slowing down. Are you able to measure humidity at the tops of the plant? Maybe cfls are drying up the air at that level? do you have a fan blowing fresh air at them? argh it's a pain to hear that you are not in full control and some factor is limiting your babes growing at full potential. but I'm sure you'll get over it

Humidity's pretty good, even at bulb level it's in the 40's. Yup, got two fans blowing around inside, and the intake fan, usually keep a window opened when I'm home to allow fresh air into the room, best I can do for now. I'm considering transplanting on my day off (Monday), just to see if that helps. In the new pot (2 gallons), I won't add any food, at least not right away. I don't think the dose I added is a problem, but then again I can't be sure until I try and do something about it.

Pictures will come tonight when the lights come back on. Maybe I'll consult UB on this issue. Watering was a problem before, but I don't believe it's an issue now.

Just a few things, I raised the lights maybe a little under an inch, don't think heat was an issue, if so...hopefully that will help. They needed to be moved up a bit anyway. Never added the fifth bulb in, will be doing so after I take the pictures, which will follow this post. That's about it really, no insanely high humidity or temps, hopefully that will remain true after this bulb is added. And...I'll be back with some pictures....

Growth at the nodes on the 1st plant (first four pics) is starting, extremely small right now. Next four are the plant that was badly injured by the over watering incident. I think we're on the comeback.

And there we go....2 bulbs a piece and sharing one bulb...

Well I wish I could veg longer, but this is going to be the last week for veg, after tonight that week will start. So total veg time, 3 weeks and 3 days...I think. Not too bad, would have been even better if I hadn't screwed up. The plant that didn't get damaged so much is doing great, getting happier with it as the days pass. And the other, that actually got the worst of it, is recovering a bit quicker now. With that said, I still don't understand what the problem was.

I did notice some "clawing" of the leaves, I think I remember reading something about that, and too much nitrogen can cause this. Maybe, for me, too much..too early?

New pictures coming in another day or two.

first two weeks plant uses very little of food, it uses seed for building stem, and then start absorbing from soil, but usually there's enough food to support for 2-3 weeks. very mild nute solutions could be applied like 1/8 - 1/4 but more can worsen things rather than boost...

Yea I know. I applied it to the soil probably closer to day ten (almost 2 weeks). The over watering issue caused the majority of the damage. I will be transplanting them into 2 gallon pots Monday, give them that last week of veg to get over any shock and expand those roots some. The bigger one is 17 days old, the other, 16 days.

Alright, I transplanted the bigger plant yesterday into a 10" pot in the same organic soil mix from the nursery. Ran out of that soil (thinking I had enough for both), and had none left for the other. So, the other didn't get transplanted until about 30 minutes ago. That one was planted in MG Organic soil. Both were split about 60/40 (soil/perlite), and in 10" pots. No nutes were added, except what was added around day 10. Coty leaves are starting to yellow.

The first one was easy to up can, the other, that I just transplanted, was kind of a pain. On one side, the roots got "stuck" some how and I had to carefully dig down and free em' from whatever they were stuck on. I'll take some picture either tomorrow afternoon or night.

Oh, and I will be making a change to the lights. I'll be adding another lamp, each will have their own. Only have 5 - 40 watt bulbs so one plant will have 3 - 40 watt bulbs, the other, 2 - 40 watt bulbs and 2 - 23 watt bulbs.

Here's some shots of the better looking lady. She seems to like her new home in the 10" pot. I took out one bulb and left two bulbs over each of the plant for a few days. Making adjustments to the lights tonight, adding in all the light I can. Something is still "off" with her, you can barely see it but the stems leading to the leaves are a bit reddish, and the main stem is a bit light, heading to white. A few more days and I may add some blood meal to the mix, as well as another tbsp of 5-5-5. Drainage is excellent in this pot, she was just watered and overfilled the catch tray.



And, here's the one that's not doing so hot. Growth is extremely slow and not abundant. Leaves are a bit crazy. This one I am going to get UB's opinion on. This is also the one that I had a horrible time transplanting. She most likely is going through some more serious shock. Her pot was still heavy, no water for her today. And here she is, hanging on for me.



If anyone has any suggestions on either of these, please feel free.

Forgot to mention that I may end up vegging another week as well. Trying not to go into flowering with all these problems. Hoping I see them pick up in the next couple of days, if not, there will definitely be another week of veg. And, if I do decide to feed again, it will be at half strength.

hmm, that's a tough one... Heavy pot confirms(so does the slower growth) that something is wrong with the plant. Roots are not picking moist from the soil(reverse something, when water uptake is being blocked). Could be lack of oxygen? I'd give her a good flush followed with some mild feeding and hydroperoxide to saturate soil with oxygen(that way you would not get overwatering). Do you remember I had similar problemwith zamaldelica? Her production went down, plant was cupping and soil was wet, after leeching the soil next morning there were already circles of vigor at the shoots(bright green areas).
Check that out: https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/651558-pure-psychedelic-sativa-12-12-a-14.html
Also maybe plant is touchy on food?

Purple petioles of fan leaves indicate that fan leaves are turning into sinks. Have you read that "sinks and sources" story? Dunno where Kite posted it, can't find it atm..
Damn I really hope you are going to get that sorted soon..

Good luck!

Well, I 'm not worried about the pot being heavy...that one got watered less than 48 hours ago. I added about a inch or so layer of perlite to the bottom of each pot, as well as upped the perlite from 70/30 - 60/40 soil/perlite.

As for getting oxygen to the roots..I don't want to add h2o2. Reason being it kills off microbes. What I can do is start aerating my water. Ill grab my aquarium pump and a air stone out tonight and Ill just leave my water to be constantly bubbled.

As for feeding...not really sure if I overfed at day 10 or if she is officially asking for more.