giving defoliation during flower a try

pk_boosted2

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@PK_BOOSTER Why all of the sudden are you articulating your thoughts well, are there medications involved or was that just one big plagiarized paste you did there?
I know how to read and write very well. Unfortunately I just dont feel like articulating and versing proper sentences and paragraphs when im addressing and corresponding with retards. Therefore, I try to write in a simple dialect they can understand.
 

pk_boosted2

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@PK_BOOSTER Why all of the sudden are you articulating your thoughts well, are there medications involved or was that just one big plagiarized paste you did there?
No, that is my information. I actually wrote an article for a few internet magazines, and I have alot of photos and side by sides of pictures and diagrams showing the differences between the control and expiremental groups. You can really see a direct correlation between proper defoliation and increased bud growth and site formation. Also, if I do use information from someone else in anything I post I would make a note of that; if, there is one thing in this world I hate more than liars, thats people who steal and cheat.
 

pk_boosted2

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Contrary to the site I referred you to check, I do not agree with their defoliation during veg periods. The reason for this primarily is because in theory stripping your plants of their "solar panels" and main sources of gathering light for photosynthesis and respiration process is counter productive. I found in my research and studies on defoliation that although stripping and removing fan leaves during veg does increase nodes and extra foliage, but the same thing occurs when topping or FIM'ng your plants without the added stress and extended period of time it takes a plant to regrow all that additional foliage and off shoots. I find a few good toppings in veg followed by a final FIM'ng of your main sites or growth shoots usually 7-10 days before switching to bloom is much more productive than defoliating your entire plants throughout veg and really delays veg times exponentially.

Its also adviseable to be very familiar with the strain you are running and how they respond to defoliation/topping and such methods for increasing yields,because at the end of the day that's what we are all trying to achieve. With that said, some strains and phenos don't like to be topped or FIM'ed , let alone defoliated. Not having experience with your strains especially in bloom can be catastrophic in the end result from over defoliating your plants or causing stress related issues which can lead to problems such as hermaphroditing.

Like I stated before removing fan leaves around the middle to end of the 2nd week after most of the stretching is done gives you an idea for what fan leaves should be removed. Defoliating at this time should be done in moderation as its never a good idea to strip too much of your plants primary production resources which will cause your plants to stress and take a long time to recover especially during such a critical period like the early flowering phase. This period of time is very important in developing the last main surge for root growth which is going to drive and carry your plants ability to produce large colas in bloom. So focusing on that is more important than defoliating fan leaves which will take away from growing roots and developing bud sites because your plant will be trying to heal broken limbs instead of focusing on your main goal or developing large flowers and maintaining a healthy root zone for blooming phases.

Then after roughly 2 weeks I finish my last bit of fan leaf removal (end of week 4) and only on the interior canopy fan leaves in which the light source can reach the inner shoots and bud sites to help plant grow more dense flowers. Doing this helps promote nice dense flowers throughout the plant, instead of the popcorn pieces we all hate to harvest and trim (at least I do anyways). I find that doing everything during stages 1 & 2 in this manner doesnt interfere with bud or site development by doing it at these times, and giving your plants plenty of time to recouperate between plucking and removal. On sativas if you absolutely need to defoliate i would only do it at the end of week 3 as most strains stretch for longer periods of time and be very careful in selection and amount in which you strip off plants.

Then finally about a week or 10 days before harvest when i begin flushing my plants, I remove all of the main fan leaves that are not inside colas. At this time the fan leaves are not needed as your plants ripen I find that focusing all of your light and energy source onto your main colas and the interior and lower pieces really bulks them up while stressing the plant out which also serves a resin enhancer. As we know when plants are stressed their natural response and defense mechanism cannabis plants have is to coat the buds with resin glands to protect them from invasion. I find doing this really increases resin production roughly between 5-8%. Its sort of like mimicking an animal attack by a deer or any animal which cannabis plants may be affected and as a result sends a natural hormonal response throughout the plant with great benefit and results. Try it out on a few for yourself and see what you think, I promise you wont be disappointed.

I actually have a few buddies who take extreme measures and take a sharp non seraded blade and push it through the center stalk of their plants as harvest approaches. They then take a thin popsicle type stick or shim and make it sharp at one end like an triangle point and place it in the sliced stalk for support. This causes the same response in your plant triggerring the "attack" resulting in excessive resin production. These guys swear buy it, idk Im not into trying some crazy shit like that. But they also got peimo shit so Im assuming it works lol.. Too each his own. Thats not up my alley but whatever maybe you know someone or have heard of it before let me know, always interested in hearing new tips and tricks for results!! happy harvesting, cheers
 

a mongo frog

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Contrary to the site I referred you to check, I do not agree with their defoliation during veg periods. The reason for this primarily is because in theory stripping your plants of their "solar panels" and main sources of gathering light for photosynthesis and respiration process is counter productive. I found in my research and studies on defoliation that although stripping and removing fan leaves during veg does increase nodes and extra foliage, but the same thing occurs when topping or FIM'ng your plants without the added stress and extended period of time it takes a plant to regrow all that additional foliage and off shoots. I find a few good toppings in veg followed by a final FIM'ng of your main sites or growth shoots usually 7-10 days before switching to bloom is much more productive than defoliating your entire plants throughout veg and really delays veg times exponentially.

Its also adviseable to be very familiar with the strain you are running and how they respond to defoliation/topping and such methods for increasing yields,because at the end of the day that's what we are all trying to achieve. With that said, some strains and phenos don't like to be topped or FIM'ed , let alone defoliated. Not having experience with your strains especially in bloom can be catastrophic in the end result from over defoliating your plants or causing stress related issues which can lead to problems such as hermaphroditing.

Like I stated before removing fan leaves around the middle to end of the 2nd week after most of the stretching is done gives you an idea for what fan leaves should be removed. Defoliating at this time should be done in moderation as its never a good idea to strip too much of your plants primary production resources which will cause your plants to stress and take a long time to recover especially during such a critical period like the early flowering phase. This period of time is very important in developing the last main surge for root growth which is going to drive and carry your plants ability to produce large colas in bloom. So focusing on that is more important than defoliating fan leaves which will take away from growing roots and developing bud sites because your plant will be trying to heal broken limbs instead of focusing on your main goal or developing large flowers and maintaining a healthy root zone for blooming phases.

Then after roughly 2 weeks I finish my last bit of fan leaf removal (end of week 4) and only on the interior canopy fan leaves in which the light source can reach the inner shoots and bud sites to help plant grow more dense flowers. Doing this helps promote nice dense flowers throughout the plant, instead of the popcorn pieces we all hate to harvest and trim (at least I do anyways). I find that doing everything during stages 1 & 2 in this manner doesnt interfere with bud or site development by doing it at these times, and giving your plants plenty of time to recouperate between plucking and removal. On sativas if you absolutely need to defoliate i would only do it at the end of week 3 as most strains stretch for longer periods of time and be very careful in selection and amount in which you strip off plants.

Then finally about a week or 10 days before harvest when i begin flushing my plants, I remove all of the main fan leaves that are not inside colas. At this time the fan leaves are not needed as your plants ripen I find that focusing all of your light and energy source onto your main colas and the interior and lower pieces really bulks them up while stressing the plant out which also serves a resin enhancer. As we know when plants are stressed their natural response and defense mechanism cannabis plants have is to coat the buds with resin glands to protect them from invasion. I find doing this really increases resin production roughly between 5-8%. Its sort of like mimicking an animal attack by a deer or any animal which cannabis plants may be affected and as a result sends a natural hormonal response throughout the plant with great benefit and results. Try it out on a few for yourself and see what you think, I promise you wont be disappointed.

I actually have a few buddies who take extreme measures and take a sharp non seraded blade and push it through the center stalk of their plants as harvest approaches. They then take a thin popsicle type stick or shim and make it sharp at one end like an triangle point and place it in the sliced stalk for support. This causes the same response in your plant triggerring the "attack" resulting in excessive resin production. These guys swear buy it, idk Im not into trying some crazy shit like that. But they also got peimo shit so Im assuming it works lol.. Too each his own. Thats not up my alley but whatever maybe you know someone or have heard of it before let me know, always interested in hearing new tips and tricks for results!! happy harvesting, cheers
you guys really do this shit out there? most of the post was pretty good, but those last 2 paragraphs is the wrong way to go about things.
 

pk_boosted2

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you guys really do this shit out there? most of the post was pretty good, but those last 2 paragraphs is the wrong way to go about things.
I dont do last paragraph I know guys who do though.

I do strip most of large fan leaves before harvest kind of a pre clean up and I find it fattens up my lower branches and smaller shit definetely. I also def notice increase in resin production, I actually got that tip from Canadian growers. And kyle kushman and his guys all do practice this same technique pre-harvest. Absolutely.

Its not for everyone. Everyone got their own things they like to do, thats just something Ive been doing last few years and it really does work. Same idea as instead of taking down all the top colas and letting bottoms grow for another week, i find stripping those fans allows them to ripen up and I can harvest whole plant without having premature popcorn buds on bottoms, but thats just me and my opinion.
 

pk_boosted2

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You have to understand diff growers all do different things. I find people down south are all old school growers who dont believe in alot of the "new school" ways and techniques. Alot of people out in upper west coast and nor cal focus on rols and tlo mediums and swear by strictly running organic and veganic food sources. Where as out here on the east cosst and canada everyone runs heavy chem synthetic ferts and focus on producing rock hard colas heavy chem buds.
 

a mongo frog

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You have to understand diff growers all do different things. I find people down south are all old school growers who dont believe in alot of the "new school" ways and techniques. Alot of people out in upper west coast and nor cal focus on rols and tlo mediums and swear by strictly running organic and veganic food sources. Where as out here on the east cosst and canada everyone runs heavy chem synthetic ferts and focus on producing rock hard colas heavy chem buds.
not sure if thats true. im in nor cal running aqua flakes base and a few snake oils mixed in. and so are a lot of others. but you are right every one grows different and i like that.
 

pk_boosted2

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Im bout finally jump on the dwc wagon myself after my next rooms are done. Im ordering up the current culture and going hard, been seeing some crazy fucking results with that system. I think best thing on the market right now. Def gonna start playing around w that and getting off these soilless mediums for awhile. After seeing my mans 24 lighter with the current culture im sold, his last run he pulled down over 50 lbs off a og chemo strain and shit was unbelievable how big his colas were fuckin amazing shit. You ever run on one of those setups? Im impressed.. Seems like real deal.
 

a mongo frog

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Im bout finally jump on the dwc wagon myself after my next rooms are done. Im ordering up the current culture and going hard, been seeing some crazy fucking results with that system. I think best thing on the market right now. Def gonna start playing around w that and getting off these soilless mediums for awhile. After seeing my mans 24 lighter with the current culture im sold, his last run he pulled down over 50 lbs off a og chemo strain and shit was unbelievable how big his colas were fuckin amazing shit. You ever run on one of those setups? Im impressed.. Seems like real deal.
i havent, definitely Impressed with dwc. I've been in peat soilless for the last 8 years and before that flood and drain. I'm so scared of change it aint even funny.
 

pk_boosted2

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Fuck yeah change is always scary. Cuz u know u want results and dont wanna waste 3 months of your life hoping shit goes okay lol. Before i jumped from canna to advanced i was nervous as hell. First run came out decent but not great, than after I figured out what things I did and didnt need. Things I needed more of to dial it in, havent looked back. Im always using a 1 lighter quadrant to try new recipes and shit on so I dont fuck up my main rooms. That way I can justify trying diff things without sacrficing my entire grows. Thats the pics i been posting im running some soul synthetics right now trying out their line up so far shits on track to do real good but didnt wanna jump head first into a whole run w it until I know how it all works.

Runnin dwc is a finnicky thing to dial in too, like hydroponics on speed. Def not for the faint of heart everything has to be right on, when running hydroponics. All the chillers, the top off systems the ph dosers, shit gets crazy. Im just gonna do it but i know i, gonna have some issues for a few months for sure.
 

polyarcturus

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Nowa days I wouldnt say I truely defoliate but I go thru about 2 weeks prior to the end and take any thing yeller out, part or whole. and rearrange leaves to be pushed down undermeath buds. This has worked best for me.
 

waterdawg

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The mods need to create a new forum called "Same shit, different day" lol. Gotta say this, in a weird and comical way, has been somewhat entertaining. Albeit some if the comments are way off base and really should not be tolerated. Time to put this one to rest I fear.
 

chuck estevez

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The mods need to create a new forum called "Same shit, different day" lol. Gotta say this, in a weird and comical way, has been somewhat entertaining. Albeit some if the comments are way off base and really should not be tolerated. Time to put this one to rest I fear.
me thinks Pk is not done writing paragraphs of misinformation

Oh and HEY, if you don't have a green thumb and you aren't a REAL grower, you search out magic tricks to try and compete with REAL growers who know there is no magic tricks.
 

pk_boosted2

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me thinks Pk is not done writing paragraphs of misinformation

Oh and HEY, if you don't have a green thumb and you aren't a REAL grower, you search out magic tricks to try and compete with REAL growers who know there is no magic tricks.
Oh yeah. Why dont you please explain how I provided mis-information in my post regarding defoliation. The floor is yours we will all be waiting for your vast knowledge on whether defoliation works. So please explain i got day off today I will be waiting for this scholarly article you are going to share with us. From now on there wont be anymore arguing or calling people liars you need to back it up, so take your time plan it out and we will all be waiting for the response. Thank you for your time cant wait to get this information. Should be great.
 

chuck estevez

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Oh yeah. Why dont you please explain how I provided mis-information in my post regarding defoliation. The floor is yours we will all be waiting for your vast knowledge on whether defoliation works. So please explain i got day off today I will be waiting for this scholarly article you are going to share with us. From now on there wont be anymore arguing or calling people liars you need to back it up, so take your time plan it out and we will all be waiting for the response. Thank you for your time cant wait to get this information. Should be great.
flushing, defoliating,using pk booster and cannabis specific nutes, sticking a nail in your stock, harvesting in the dark. Should I go on?
 

chuck estevez

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might as well just say it, You don't know how to Just grow a plant, therefore, you seek out magic tricks and your tiny brain believes they are working
 

pk_boosted2

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flushing, defoliating,using pk booster and cannabis specific nutes, sticking a nail in your stock, harvesting in the dark. Should I go on?
Yes because youre wrong. At least im giving information thats accurate and backed by research and trials not only done by myself but also by nutrient companies. These companies pay biologist, botanist, hotricultural experts and chemist who formulate these products to help you grow bigger and begter plants. So you are gonna tell me that they are wrong and that I am a liar for using them with phenomenal results? I find that to be very interesting considering you havent provided any information opposing with data that proves these companies and scientists are making these products which have 0 effect on growth, yield or whatever other category you wannt try and difute their findings.

Anyone can sit on here and simply say oh youre a liar, thats wrong, HA you use a pk enhancer? Thats fuckin bullshit. Well those comments hold no merit because you arent backing them by any research or articles proving the latter. So until you provide emprical evidence and date that can support your claims or that can provide undisputable information, than whatever your saying for face value is simply worthless.
 

chuck estevez

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nutrient companies who do research to sell their product, jesus, you are the biggest sucker in the world. But hey A great salesman must believe in what he sells, so props for that.
 
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