giving defoliation during flower a try

stankyyank

Active Member
I did explain it i actually explained it very well. Its called apical dominance. Thats how a plant grows doesnt matter what you do u still get small pieces on the bottoms. DUH!! Point is u can minimize them with topping, defoliating and lollipopping another form of defoliation. U having trouble reading? Anything not getting direct sunlight is gonna be shit obviously as well as inner pieces and small off shoots nothing u can do about it period. But u can maximize the other lower growth limiting the amount of that shit by defoliating. Idk whats so hard to understand but then again im talkin to a moron so maybe i do get it.
I wouldn't cross lollipopping with defoliating as you are not only taking off selective fan leaves, but the fruit associated with said foliage... So the plant will re-distribute it's energy elsewhere. Defoliation itself doesn't re-distribute by the removal of potential fruit.
 

chuck estevez

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I wouldn't cross lollipopping with defoliating as you are not only taking off selective fan leaves, but the fruit associated with said foliage... So the plant will re-distribute it's energy elsewhere. Defoliation itself doesn't re-distribute by the removal of potential fruit.
Now wait for pk to reply, His first words he will type, is YOU'RE WRONG, wait for it,,,,,,,,,
 

RM3

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I did explain it i actually explained it very well. Its called apical dominance. Thats how a plant grows doesnt matter what you do u still get small pieces on the bottoms. DUH!! Point is u can minimize them with topping, defoliating and lollipopping another form of defoliation. U having trouble reading? Anything not getting direct sunlight is gonna be shit obviously as well as inner pieces and small off shoots nothing u can do about it period. But u can maximize the other lower growth limiting the amount of that shit by defoliating. Idk whats so hard to understand but then again im talkin to a moron so maybe i do get it.
You couldn't be more wrong
 

Knott Collective

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We practice the grow philosophy that healthy plants make healthy buds. To this end we have learned, in our humble experience only, that taking away parts of the plant that help it perform its job is counterproductive. We only remove leaves when there is some type of damage or they're naturally yellowed in late flower and are ready to fall off anyway. We try to keep the grow areas 100% free of dead plant matter because cleanliness is next to Godliness when trying to consistently produce top shelf work.

We also do not lollipop for much the same reason. Hate to deprive the plant of its physical resources and we also don't want to miss out on some pretty good product. Here's a pic from a recent run of Super Lemon Haze, taken right at the bottom of a plant. We're on first day of week 8 (going all the way to 10 on this lovely strain), under 1000w HPS and in pure coco, always run Co2. I threw a 6" mag light in there for size comparison. As you can see the lowest two buds on this plant are far more than "popcorn" size, more like large walnuts at this point. And as you scan up the plant it only gets better. With two more weeks to go... love this lemony goodness!

SLH_popcorn.jpg
 

Uncle Ben

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That dude yaps on and on and on. It's like trying to reason with a half-retarded baboon. Defoliation is absolute horse shit.

Anyway...I'm trying to decide if I should run with DynaGro Foliage Pro again (which is great) or try something else. I've seen you mention large bags of Pete's or something available on Amazon.

*UPDATE - Found it under Jack's 20-20-20.
This is a steal! http://www.amazon.com/77900-Performance-Fertilizer-25-5-15-25-Pound/dp/B008JSIKCU/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_0_1
 

Uncle Ben

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U having trouble reading?
You've got to be kidding me! :wall: You having trouble with your eyes?

Anything not getting direct sunlight is gonna be shit obviously....
Speaking of "shit", I presented a bonafide photo of the lower part of an outgrown plant which clearly shows the "larf" aka popcorn buds, a tray of buds taken from the bottom of the plant and you STILL are in denial? That outdoor grown plant got full sun from sunrise to sunset.

Whenever I get this defoliation crap and rebut this myth by pointing out an outdoor grown and it's finished profile all I ever hear are crickets. Case in point.....there's waterdawg who quickly disappeared. nuff said...

Can anyone get thru to this idiot? Even photos don't sink in, "obviously".

UB
 
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Alienwidow

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Doesnt matter when you did it RM, veg or flower. UB's stance is removing leaves at any stage is wrong and he has belittled people for doing it. This is not about the pulling of leaves its about how UB's ego takes over when dealing with newbs and others on this site. I had promised myself not to get caught up in this but it's getting to be a little much. Constantly putting the site down, yet here every day, constantly saying how much better he is than others when it comes to growing. Not really offering anything solid here other than his overgrown ego. You know this as well, just look to the past. I commend you for putting your ego behind this time around and you must notice the change. More solid discussion, more ideals freely given and accepted. Dudnt want to get caught up in the drama. Just want to get this site back to the sharing of, and discussing ideals, even the far fetched and unproven ones. UB offers nothing other than basic, time proven methods and when people try other methods that he (and others) disagree with they are dragged through the coals. Besides he's giving old people like myself a bad rap with his crankiness. I really think he should just move on and let people here get on with trying new things without worrying about the attacks which are surely to follow.
seems like theres a lot of this type of talk on RIU lately. people just up and leaving cause their fed up. and your right WD, its just two guys screaming I'm right and your wrong. Clearly this isn't an outdoor growing thread yet Bens all over it. and as for the defoliators, i haven't seen one test comparing results by them yet either. just pictures of plants with buds. one guy had two plants next to each other but thats it. i guess nobody has more than two or three plants going at a time to test on. I've tested my own plants but screw that, I'm not getting involved. what i will say is that the hardcore do it side and the hard core don't do it side are both equally as dead wrong.
 

Uncle Ben

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What does "outdoor growing thread" have to do with plant processes? You're spinning. What is it about "That outdoor grown plant got full sun from sunrise to sunset." that you don't understand? Recommend you re-read my previous post and ask questions if you still don't get it.

Does ANYONE care to explain the popcorn buds on my plant? There is no screaming about anything, at least not for me. I presented the facts both botanically and in real time.

Let's make this simple for the mentally challenged, who need to see something (and did) to accept it - the issue is not about indoor versus outdoor grown plants. Light is light no matter the source. The reality is that I showed a perfect example of a plant that received a lot of light over it's lifespan at lower levels and still produced popcorn buds, which goes totally against the spin of the defoliating/lollipopping crew, no matter what website they wish to pose at, no matter what "book" they may cite with some lame attempt to believe what they want to believe.

This human phenomena at RIU is called a "paradigm".

"UB offers nothing other than basic, time proven methods..."

If you can't take the heat then get out of the kitchen.

This guy is a liar and a pussy too.
Uncle Ben
 
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Alienwidow

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What does "outdoor growing thread" have to do with plant processes? You're spinning.

Does ANYONE care to explain the popcorn buds on my plant? There is no screaming about anything, at least not for me. I presented the facts both botanically and in real time.

Let's make this simple for those who are mentally challenged, who need to see something to accept it - the issue is not about indoor versus outdoor grown plants. That's nothing more than a cheap deflection when presented with reality. Light is light no matter the source. The reality is that I showed a perfect example of a plant that received a lot of light, over it's lifespan at lower levels and still produced popcorn buds, which goes totally against the grain of the defoliating/lollipopping crew, no matter what website they wish to pose at, no matter what "book" they may cite with some lame attempt to believe what they want to believe.

This human phenomena at RIU is called a "paradigm".

"UB offers nothing other than basic, time proven methods..."

If you can't take the heat then get out of the kitchen.

This guy is a liar and a pussy too.
Uncle Ben
what indoor grower has two weeks to let their larf ripen. the plants are like a quarter of the size or less. "Pussy"? old man id whip you faster than you can spin a thread to make yourself not look like an angry old prick who wakes up every morning with nothing better to do than talk shit to kids on the internet. Bravo you were alive when pot was created. reading your posts prove you don't know shit about indoor growing. btw, thats some sloppy growing in those pictures you posted. tell me how much those tiny little branches yielded in the picture of that stem. nothing. and then you post pictures with bonsai trimmers? wtf? you've been in the sun too long, try the a/c old man. theres better bud indoors ;)
 

Uncle Ben

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what indoor grower has two weeks to let their larf ripen. the plants are like a quarter of the size or less. "Pussy"? old man id whip you faster than you can spin a thread to make yourself not look like an angry old prick who wakes up every morning with nothing better to do than talk shit to kids on the internet. Bravo you were alive when pot was created. reading your posts prove you don't know shit about indoor growing. btw, thats some sloppy growing in those pictures you posted. tell me how much those tiny little branches yielded in the picture of that stem. nothing. and then you post pictures with bonsai trimmers? wtf? you've been in the sun too long, try the a/c old man. theres better bud indoors ;)
This coming from a mealy mouth, cheap talking stupid lil kid.

I personally recommend a small amount of trimming to make the plant your bitch if you need it to conform to the plan you have laid out for it. If thats not what basic botany says grow the best plants then fuck basic botany, you ever seen anyone with an untrimmed christmas tree in their house? hell no, because someone made that tree their bitch.
Well.....I go down on my Christmas bitches with a saje trimmer all the time. ;)
 
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Uncle Ben

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Hey UB - thanks for that link. You're right on that it's a steal. For anything more than hobby growers I like to say "Next time you're buying nutrients, look around. If you're in a hydro store you're getting hosed."
That is an excellent NPK ratio with a great secondary & micro package, at an incredible price that will last you forever and a day. ;) I mean $1.89/lb. shipped to your door! Are you kidding me?
 
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Alienwidow

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This coming from a mealy mouth, cheap talking stupid lil kid.



Well.....I go down on my Christmas bitches with a saje all the time. ;)
so do you care to let us know why you didn't take those little larfy branches off on the bottom botanical wizard? is it because its a good place for bugs to live? is it because you like to have dead leaves getting stuck down there? why?
 

Sativied

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Doesn't matter when you did it RM, veg or flower. UB's stance is removing leaves at any stage is wrong and he has belittled people for doing it.
He removed lower leaves AND branches to burry it deeper. You're basically saying pruning part of a plant, like topping, is the same thing as defoliation because it also involves removing leaves. Getting upset over a moot defoliation point like that seems almost out of character for you, so whatever it is that really fucked up your week, I hope you'll be back.
 

unwine99

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If you top a million times like I do, lollipopping is necessary because there is no light reaching the bottom branches. If I decide to top only 1 or 2 times and the plant is more open, I don't lollipop because I have sufficient light penetration to the bottom. If a node or branch is shadowed, the quality takes a hit so I avoid it. My plants have 0 larf -- I hate larf -- I won't tolerate larf. Not now, not ever.:shock:
 
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