Give Me 2.8 Trillion Or Granny Gets No Check

Qvomos · Jul 13, 2011

colocowboy said:
And you so called "conservatives" are selling out the hard work for human rights over business rights. Most of whom are happy to receive the benefit of the system while bad mouthing it and voting away your own benefit. You further vote to allow the gatekeepers to suppress liberty and freedom so the wealthiest can get the last 5% of the pie and leave the rest of us with nothing at all, just an empty bag of debt.

You must be talking about someone else here. If you think I am part of this so called "conservative' crowd, you either need to rephrase your statement if it is geared towards my comment or perhaps need to do further homework. I am Constitutional Federalist, perhaps something you never about it or if you do, you have no idea what it means.

Dan Kone · Jul 13, 2011

newatit2010 said:
I hope they don't pass shit just to see what happens.

Only because you're supremely ignorant to what that would mean.

If you really want to live in a third world country you have the option of moving to one, but I think most people would prefer that didn't happen here.

Charlie Ventura · Jul 13, 2011

Qvomos said:
You must be talking about someone else here. If you think I am part of this so called "conservative' crowd, you either need to rephrase your statement if it is geared towards my comment or perhaps need to do further homework. I am Constitutional Federalist, perhaps something you never about it or if you do, you have no idea what it means.

^^^ Ditto here too, man. So many posters on this site have been truly dumbed down by our government monopolized school systems. What more evidence do we need to separate school and state?

Qvomos · Jul 13, 2011

Like I said, there is no way you can convince them, Charlie. They were born into the new system, they grow up believing the the government to be the righteous and the mighty who would protect them. As you can see when they run out of arguments the resort to name calling and insults. They're mob and you well how the Founders felt about mob rule. They abandoned the principles to which this nation was founded and now they tell us that WE are the ones who should leave, lol.
I did this lil piece of graph for the 4th of July since celebration of our independece has gone backwards these last 100 plus years and I truly feel considering the status quo there is very little to celebrate right now:

olylifter420 · Jul 13, 2011

dude thats gotta fucking suck ass bro! I knew his plan was jacking people up! I had a discussion not so long ago on here and they all told me i was dumb for making statements similar to yours, about how people were getting jacked up by his plans... my grandparents had medicaid or medicare and all of a sudden they got dropped and were forced to get private insurance... in forced i mean, they had no other alternative because my grandma sees the doc a lot for a whole heap of problems...

Mr.Therapy Man 2 said:
Im on disability and my fuckin check had better be good,for any marijuana grower to side with osama ,I mean obama is stupid,that fuckin obama is as shitty of president thats ever been in the office .He allready spent so much money on his stupid stimulus plan thats theres not any left.I got 250 bucks on his big plan

colocowboy · Jul 13, 2011

I am a Libertarian but I see you drop a progressive moniker out and start bitching, sounds like a "so called conservative" to me. No one should be so staunch that they cannot have understandings and perspectives that are conservative and progressive. To say otherwise takes no consideration of circumstances out of ones field of vision. Just as the world is not black and white, rather shades of gray. Progressive points are also things like marijuana rescheduling, alternative fuel research, stem cell research, environmental protection, human rights, gender equality, etc. Those protections and ideals aren't wrong, as a matter of fact these are the things that the system should be for. So don't sit there and tell me that I am something bad for having a human spirit and thinking that the greatest nation on earth can have social responsibility for all it's citizens.

**Additionally a conversation of the issue of running out of money cannot be seriously had without critically thinking about our military endeavors. Avoiding this is simply ignoring the obvious.

beardo · Jul 13, 2011

This whole thing is B.S. their is no reason we have to raise the debt ceiling their will be no default or anything else they have more than enough money their just full of shit and want more money.

Dan Kone · Jul 13, 2011

beardo said:
This whole thing is B.S. their is no reason we have to raise the debt ceiling their will be no default or anything else they have more than enough money their just full of shit and want more money.

If they don't raise the debt ceiling there will be defaults.

The talk of not raising it alone may get America's credit rating lowered doing serious damage to the economy.

fdd2blk · Jul 13, 2011

Dan Kone said:
If they don't raise the debt ceiling there will be defaults.

The talk of not raising it alone may get America's credit rating lowered doing serious damage to the economy.

people still use credit?

sync0s · Jul 13, 2011

Dan Kone said:
If they don't raise the debt ceiling there will be defaults.

The talk of not raising it alone may get America's credit rating lowered doing serious damage to the economy.

Supposedly, we are supposed to have the resources to prevent default if need be. Granted our godly Fed actually doesn't lie to us. However, I agree, we need to temporarily raise it and start paying it off immediately though.

NoDrama · Jul 14, 2011

redivider said:
the sacrifices the greatest generation???? whaaa??

you are seriously demented or something. the guys in saving private ryan weren't thinking about the political rammifications of possibly defaulting on our debt.

they knew the US would always pay it's bills and they believed in a country that took care of it's elderly, it's sick and it's poor. they believed in a country that believed that you needed not be part of the board to be taken into consideration by your politicians. they lived during a time when wealth efficiently moved from our central bank and into circulation, creating demand and jobs. they lived at atime when disposable income was taken for granted, they knew they'd come back to a country with enough wealth to go around....

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Im sorry but I couldn't help notice that you were seriously deluded when you said Wealth efficiently flowed from Central bank to the Economy. Dollars are not wealth my friend, the things that dollars can currently buy is wealth. The day 400,000 pieces of paper with George Washingtons picture on them becomes more valuable than my farm will never happen. Besides, the Central bank only deals in debt, and debt is NOT wealth either. Furthermore, if moving dollars into the system is what creates demand and jobs, what happened to the $4.4 trillion in money the Fed pumped out in the last while anyway? It sure didn't help unemployment, unemployment is now worse than it was.

You are a good hearted soul Redi, don't let any of us assholes make you feel otherwise.

NoDrama · Jul 14, 2011

Dan Kone said:
If they don't raise the debt ceiling there will be defaults.

The talk of not raising it alone may get America's credit rating lowered doing serious damage to the economy.

Iceland defaulted, their credit rating is terrible. Their economy is firing on all cylinders.

newatit2010 · Jul 14, 2011

Dan Kone said:
Only because you're supremely ignorant to what that would mean.

If you really want to live in a third world country you have the option of moving to one, but I think most people would prefer that didn't happen here.

Well maybe when the stock market down grades the America AAA rating the country will not have to give every fucking foreigen country money maybe the government want support a damn shrimp running on a tread mill. And I am sure you think paying to find out why the whores over in China drink. All the important waste this country don't need. Cut the waste and this country can pay all its bills in record time. Why the fuck people think this country is going broke is stupid they waste more fucking money than most of the world has.

My ignorance is trying to figuire out how stupid people think this government has to support the world. Your president wants to raise the debt limit and the 2.4 trillion dollars can be obtain by cutting the waste. But again you think people get their jobs on skid roll too.

BendBrewer · Jul 14, 2011

Charlie Ventura said:
With all due respect, may I suggest that you guys, especially all of you progressive that post here, check out a movie titled "Saving Private Ryan. If you're under 65 years old, this movie is a must see. Take a good look at the sacrifices the Greatest Generation paid to keep our government out of the hands of the likes of Obama and those surrounding him in his administration. Watch it, then report back to this thread if you have the guts.

Good movie. Set in 1944 I think. You're right. It was a time of great sacrifice in America.

The rich paid 94% income taxes. How ashamed do you think that generation would be of the cry baby Tea Baggers of today?

Great point!

capncash · Jul 14, 2011

BendBrewer said:
I get my information from a variety of sources but normally research leads me back to the original source which I included into one of my posts in this thread that contains the words out of the horses mouth.

But I've been to Fox, Rush and Drudge and see them all selling this bullshit propaganda as if it was coordinated. Ever notice that about Right Wing Media? It's all coordinated. If not, you should. They say the same thing at the same time and people like the OP fall for it hook, line and sinker.

It's real easy to spot a loon with his head stuck in the Right Wing Media's corner. They are all clones of one another who simply repeat the propaganda they subject themselves too. It's getting fucking old.

Can you give me a quote from Fox Rush or Drudge that is factually wrong?

Luger187 · Jul 15, 2011

capncash said:
Can you give me a quote from Fox Rush or Drudge that is factually wrong?

found these with a quick youtube search
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Prefontaine · Jul 15, 2011

BendBrewer said:
It was an adult conversation. No wonder folks on the Right misunderstood it.

Really, that is what got Newatit's panties in a wad. Jesus Christ dude. Grow up. Don't you ever get embarrassed?

You are an idiot, trying to make any differentiation between republicans and democrats is the game of those who misunderstand our political system, and specifically using meaningless adjectives like the right and the left, shows even more of your ignorance, as for the rest of you, social security is meant to come directly out of the social security payments we make, that money is earmarked. True patriots are praying that we default on our debts so that the populace will awaken and see the puppet show for what it is, If you are at all concerned with any of the hype going on, you havent been paying attention to the continual state of panic that the US government has been trying to spread for the last 12+ years.

Prefontaine · Jul 15, 2011

NoDrama said:
Iceland defaulted, their credit rating is terrible. Their economy is firing on all cylinders.

WTF, ok so I max out my credit cards, and mastercard wants their money, and they are going to send me to collections, well thats ok Ill just raise my own credit limit so I can pay my credit card payment with credit.

Yeah great idea, cause the best solution to being in debt is more debt.

Prefontaine · Jul 15, 2011

BendBrewer said:
Good movie. Set in 1944 I think. You're right. It was a time of great sacrifice in America.

The rich paid 94% income taxes. How ashamed do you think that generation would be of the cry baby Tea Baggers of today?

Great point!

Funny how most of the people at the tea bag rallies where middle aged and older, some of them even old enough to see the sacrifices of "the greatest generation", By the way members of that generation didnt beleive in going over seas and doing police actions which is why we stayed out of WW2 until the last possible minute. something that saved us years and years in a quagmire like iraq and afghanistan, check you history tard,

Prefontaine · Jul 15, 2011

the quagmire being the main reason we cant afford our big fat government, the other being the sixe of government itself

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