GG Bastard Series - Colombian Gold

ayr0n

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I covered it in a journal here (in dutch but pics are in english :eyesmoke:) and did mention gram amount a couple of times but looks like I haven't measured dry weight. Was under 400watt too. As you can see in those pics it filled up very nicely with multiple layers of bud, a foxtail-ish structure yet compact. The bud in the last pic was a different pheno. The popular haze hybrids take a few weeks longer to grow but often make up for that in yield. Those long colas also make it suitable for a SoG with clones that are vegged little to nothing. That's how most of the popular amnesia haze here is grown, and what in turn makes good reflectors and bulbs with deep penetration (:shock:) popular.
oh shit i didnt realize how fat those buds were lookin at the first pic, checked the journal thats impressive
 

ayr0n

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hey can males produce fertile pollen even in veg ? gg 2 is obviously sexually mature now, but under 18/6 photperiod n Im noticing some of its pollen sacks are opened up. making me kinda nervous with tht tent being so close to my flowering tent
 

Sativied

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oh shit i didnt realize how fat those buds were lookin at the first pic, checked the journal thats impressive
Those were my thoughts too when I looked at the journal again after years... followed by "how the hell did I do that". Credit goes to the breeder really. I didn't do much. Took me a long time to figure out that was actually the trick, let them do their thing.
 

Sativied

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hey can males produce fertile pollen even in veg ? gg 2 is obviously sexually mature now, but under 18/6 photperiod n Im noticing some of its pollen sacks are opened up. making me kinda nervous with tht tent being so close to my flowering tent
If they open up like an umbrella then yeah I'd expect the bananas to be able to drop pollen too. I usually remove the pleflowers on males. Actually I remove most of the 'plant' from males, trimming it down to few branches and leaves once I determine which male(s) I'm going to use. The more branches the harder it will be to control and harvest pollen. I basically lollypop it.
 

ayr0n

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If they open up like an umbrella then yeah I'd expect the bananas to be able to drop pollen too. I usually remove the pleflowers on males. Actually I remove most of the 'plant' from males, trimming it down to few branches and leaves once I determine which male(s) I'm going to use. The more branches the harder it will be to control and harvest pollen. I basically lollypop it.
Hey I saw that! lol. Yeah that make sense. easier to control it.
 

ayr0n

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That sweet sweet black angel:
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Critical Sensi Star is pretty dope for being neglected for half the grow. Gotta say I wish I grabbed some cuts of it before flipping to 12/12
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The Monster (AKA GG1) - definitely gonna be a heavy yielder but much longer flowering period:
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polo the don

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That sweet sweet black angel:
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Critical Sensi Star is pretty dope for being neglected for half the grow. Gotta say I wish I grabbed some cuts of it before flipping to 12/12
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The Monster (AKA GG1) - definitely gonna be a heavy yielder but much longer flowering period:
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Damn you got that shit looking good. You sure you are not a pro? I know when I first joined RIU I acted like a newb trying to hide myself till I felt it out.
If I was you, which I'm not, i would go ahead and grab a few clones from that CSS anyway. It'll take longer to root but you will be able to keep the genitics and it might just give you some monster clones.
 

ayr0n

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Damn you got that shit looking good. You sure you are not a pro? I know when I first joined RIU I acted like a newb trying to hide myself till I felt it out.
If I was you, which I'm not, i would go ahead and grab a few clones from that CSS anyway. It'll take longer to root but you will be able to keep the genitics and it might just give you some monster clones.
lol cMon bro. no pro over here. just a student of a couple pros

i think ill go for it. it has a couple scraggly shoots down low tht wont produce shit anyways . so you can take a cutting this late into flower n just reveg it? you guys mentioned doing it a couple weeks in, but its around 5-6 into the flip now

forgot to tell ya i grabbed 6 new clones off of the SBA clone yesterday :bigjoint:
 

polo the don

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lol cMon bro. no pro over here. just a student of a couple pros

i think ill go for it. it has a couple scraggly shoots down low tht wont produce shit anyways . so you can take a cutting this late into flower n just reveg it? you guys mentioned doing it a couple weeks in, but its around 5-6 into the flip now

forgot to tell ya i grabbed 6 new clones off of the SBA clone yesterday :bigjoint:
What do ya have to lose??
Take them cuts, be patient and baby them.
 

ayr0n

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What do ya have to lose??
Take them cuts, be patient and baby them.
Gonna take a couple tonight n see what happens. Plan on trying to collect some pollen from GG 2 n then killing it today too. It's making me nervous having tht thing around lol. Prolly turn off the exhaust fan in that tent, shake him down gently onto something to collect the pollen n then throw a bag around that fucker n take him to the garbage carefully.

Couple days before the 6 SBA cuttings get transplanted to solo cups. They have to be getting close to rooting.
 

Sativied

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It's making me nervous having that thing around lol.
I recognize the feeling, glad I killed my males and the pollination worked, not relaxed having a male plant in the house dropping pollen even if it's in another room.

shake him down gently onto something to collect the pollen n then throw a bag around that fucker n take him to the garbage carefully.
A good way to see how you're doing is aiming a good flash light on it, will light up all those particles in the air. Another tip: after collecting the pollen and before removing it spray it down (with widest spray) starting gently.
 
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ayr0n

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I recognize the feeling, glad I killed my males and the pollination worked, not relaxed having a male plant in the house dropping pollen even if it's in another room.

A good way to see how you're doing is aiming a good flash light on it, will light up all those particles in the air. Another tip: after collecting the pollen and before removing it spray it down (with widest spray) starting gently.
Just spray it with water? Does tht sterilize/kill the pollen or something? or it will just contain it /prevent it from floating around I guess? I want to move that SBA mother into the flowering tent now that I've got new cuttings off it, but I'm kinda scared it has gg 2's pollen all over it lol. Maybe I can spray her down real well too before putting her in there...or just hold off for another week after gg 2 is in the trash
 

Sativied

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Just spray it with water? Does tht sterilize/kill the pollen or something? or it will just contain it /prevent it from floating around I guess?
Yes just plain water, and it will do both (kill and contain).

As for the mother, I've never done it myself but - I think at another forum - some said they pollinate females by removing them from the closet, pollinate, wait for several hours, and then spray them down. By that time the pollen already did its job, and any that did not reach a pistil will be disabled. Then let it dry, and put it back with the rest. I'm always battling against high humidity and spraying down females during flowering is something I'll probably never do. Point is, yes spraying that mother wet will work just fine. If any exceptional pollen grain survives it probably deserves to make offspring :)

Edit: probably obvious but meant "did 'not' reach a pistil", i.e. the pollen on leaves.
 

GroErr

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Yes just plain water, and it will do both (kill and contain).

As for the mother, I've never done it myself but - I think at another forum - some said they pollinate females by removing them from the closet, pollinate, wait for several hours, and then spray them down. By that time the pollen already did its job, and any that did not reach a pistil will be disabled. Then let it dry, and put it back with the rest. I'm always battling against high humidity and spraying down females during flowering is something I'll probably never do. Point is, yes spraying that mother wet will work just fine. If any exceptional pollen grain survives it probably deserves to make offspring :)

Edit: probably obvious but meant "did 'not' reach a pistil", i.e. the pollen on leaves.
This is something I typically do as I pollinate selective branches (if pollinated well with decent pollen a couple of branches can produce a ton of seeds), then keep the rest for smoke or edibles.

I'll bring the plant(s) out, make sure there's no air/fan movement in the area, pollinate what I want, let it sit for ~3 hours, spray it down, shake off any excess water, then throw a fan on it for an hour, then back into the tent. I've had the odd seed pop on an adjacent plant/branch but nothing serious.

I've read a couple of hours is fine for it to take and 3 hours seems to work fine unless the pollen isn't viable.
 

Sativied

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I've read a couple of hours is fine for it to take and 3 hours seems to work fine unless the pollen isn't viable.
Thanks for confirming. Pretty sure the ones I got it from also said 3-4 hours is enough, if it hasn't done the job by then it's not going to either. Which just shows how fragile pollen is... reminds me of something someone (good RIU member missing in action, F.M.I.L.Y ) recommended once. He suggested to walk into the shower with clothes on after harvesting pollen or pollinating. Effective probably, but overkill. Storing pollen and keeping it viable is much harder than killing it.
 

GroErr

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Thanks for confirming. Pretty sure the ones I got it from also said 3-4 hours is enough, if it hasn't done the job by then it's not going to either. Which just shows how fragile pollen is... reminds me of something someone (good RIU member missing in action, F.M.I.L.Y ) recommended once. He suggested to walk into the shower with clothes on after harvesting pollen or pollinating. Effective probably, but overkill. Storing pollen and keeping it viable is much harder than killing it.
Lol, yeah that's taking it to the extreme. I just make sure I'm not going into the main flower room at all after pollinating and throw the clothes I had on into the laundry.

Wish there was a reliable way to keep pollen longer than 4-6 months. Anything after 4 months seems hit & miss ime. I got a few seeds from the last bit of Blueberry pollen (~5 months) but chucked some 6-7 month old JTR and AoS pollen after getting nothing from them last time I used them. Seems like 4 months is a good rule of thumb for viability, still plenty of time to grow and pollinate whatever you want with it.
 

Sativied

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Wish there was a reliable way to keep pollen longer than 4-6 months.
I've given up on storing pollen for longer periods, can't really count on it. My first pollen male I used (the quad-whorled I initially used for my crosses) I collected two of those vials with pollen, added rice, and a rolling paper. Figured if there's any moist left that may capture it too. About 4 months later I took them from the freezer. Of one the contents became a single mass, frozen. The other was still powdery and looked ok, used all of it it, not a single grain worked (while I pollinated 6 others with them before freezing). It seems I can keep it viable for several weeks without making an effort which is long enough for me, for others I just keep clones of the males, which can produce pollen within a couple of weeks since they are so mature.

That all said, I read about a method of storing pollen at another forum that supposedly works for years. Different species but the method itself still applies. To avoid linking to that forum, google Collection and Storage of Cycad Pollen thc.
 
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GroErr

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I've given up on storing pollen for longer periods, can't really count on it. My first pollen male I used (the quad-whorled I initially used for my crosses) I collected two of those vials with pollen, added rice, and a rolling paper. Figured if there's any moist left that may capture it too. About 4 months later I took them from the freezer. Of one the contents became a single mass, frozen. The other was still powdery and looked ok, used all of it it, not a single grain worked (while I pollinated 6 others with them before freezing). It seems I can keep it viable for several weeks without making an effort which is long enough for me, for others I just keep clones of the males, which can produce pollen within weeks since they are so mature.

That all said, I read about a method of storing pollen at another forum that supposedly works for years. Different species but the method itself still applies. To avoid linking to that forum, google Collection and Storage of Cycad Pollen thc.
Yeah, sounds much like my experience, only difference is I cut it with flour for storage (then rice/jar it). It never bunched together or picked up moisture but just isn't reliably viable after 4 months or so. Like you said, still enough time when you have perpetual runs going, I store it in the fridge short term like if I know I'll use it within a couple of weeks, than freeze it. So far in the last few runs, they've all been good to about 4 months. Good idea with the clones if you have the space you can keep it going for a while. Will google that link thanks, might be worth trying, I don't like tossing pollen :(
 

ayr0n

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holding off a couple more days on the css cuts. dont think itll make much of a difference at this point if i wait a little longer. after dealing with that male i wanted to get as far away from the flowering tent as i possibly could lol. fingers crossed my sensi melia doesnt turn into sensi schwag xD thanks for all of the tips n tricks, got a game plan together now to pollinate individual branches safely but Im gonna wait until the weekend so i gave time to prep everything. only got about an hour each day after work to play with the plants before lights out
 
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