Fox Farms question
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shortybighead
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budski i use advance nutes ph down and their baracade for a ph up, mix your nutes then take a reading then adjust i just bought a nice ph pen from ebay Milwaukee PH55 Waterproof pH/Temp Tester/Meter/Martini - eBay (item 270215148133 end time Nov-21-08 21:37:12 PST) it seems to be good.I have my plants in a mix of 3 cups of light warrior to on cup of ocean forrest mine going to be 3 weeks old sunday and i just now gave them some bb
Budski
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so those two ph up downs are not what i need? But your Advance Nutes and Baracade?
shortybighead
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thats what I use,to each is own. i know the ph down is no joke a teaspoon in a gallon of water that is 7.5 drops strait to 2.0!!!!!! baracade helps but a teapsoon only like brings up like .5 so its high in p i think
Budski
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Here do u get that stuff from?
shortybighead
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heres this High Tech Garden Supply and this here High Tech Garden Supply
shortybighead
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i also use this High Tech Garden Supply and i keep this around just in case High Tech Garden Supply and i use this here also High Tech Garden Supply
Budski
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Oh so high tech garden supply
got it
jayrock32580
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budski yes those are what you need cant say nothing about the advanced nute stuff I dont use it The regular ph up and down is fine but shorty is partially right if you add to much it will drop a lot get you a dropper keep track how much you ad then it wont be guess work
bongrippinbob
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The pH will drop or rise based on the PPM of the water. 1ml of pH down in plain water will bring it from like 7.75 down to like 6.5. But if you have a nute solution of 1500ppm, that 1ml might only take it down like .3 So you have to remember that something with a high ppm count is going to hold its pH much better.
Make sure you add it after you have mixed your nutes, and make sure you have a pH meter. You can get them for like $25 on ebay. You will also want a ppm meter which is also like $25 on ebay.
The AN pH solution is much more concentrated than most, so if you are only mixing like a gallon or two at a time, the AN will be too strong for you.
Make sure you add it after you have mixed your nutes, and make sure you have a pH meter. You can get them for like $25 on ebay. You will also want a ppm meter which is also like $25 on ebay.
The AN pH solution is much more concentrated than most, so if you are only mixing like a gallon or two at a time, the AN will be too strong for you.
u guys got me fucked in the head. im usin gh products and thought ff would be better but now im scared i use the drops to test my ph which is always 6.0(yellow)i get my water for 25cents a gallon from the h20 store then add my gh products seems well so far i just thought ff would be better now im afraid to try. i even went and bought the grow big a little while ago
bongrippinbob
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The GH products have great pH buffering. When I used to use them, I wouldn't even need to pH the nutes until I started usin the FF solubes. It would sit right around 6.4.
I have since moved on from the FF nutes and now use Botanicare. I like the Botanicare a lot better. I have only been using them about 3 months, so I've only had one full harvest and am half way through another, but I am much happier with the Botanicare line.
Don't be scared to try something new. Just be ready with the proper equipment and whatnot to handle to issues. I used FF stuff for 2 yrs, and was very happy with it. But since switching, I am even happier.
Don't use those pH strips, get a pH pen. The stips are not very accurate when you take into account the nutes are a differnt color. Plus, once the Big Bloom is added, you nute solution is a mud color and you won't be able to even see any color.
As long as you have a PPM meter and pH meter, you won't have any problems. You just have to make sure to have these two items, plus pH up and down, and you will have no issues.
And like I said, don't be scared to try new things. If you never try anything new, you will never get any better.
I have since moved on from the FF nutes and now use Botanicare. I like the Botanicare a lot better. I have only been using them about 3 months, so I've only had one full harvest and am half way through another, but I am much happier with the Botanicare line.
Don't be scared to try something new. Just be ready with the proper equipment and whatnot to handle to issues. I used FF stuff for 2 yrs, and was very happy with it. But since switching, I am even happier.
Don't use those pH strips, get a pH pen. The stips are not very accurate when you take into account the nutes are a differnt color. Plus, once the Big Bloom is added, you nute solution is a mud color and you won't be able to even see any color.
As long as you have a PPM meter and pH meter, you won't have any problems. You just have to make sure to have these two items, plus pH up and down, and you will have no issues.
And like I said, don't be scared to try new things. If you never try anything new, you will never get any better.
BigBudBalls
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Keep the strips handy though. pH probes/sensors will die after a while (1-3 years). Its expected. Its nice to have something to compare against if things go wonky.
BigBudBalls
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Pretty much the same thing.
Budski
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OK so to use the ph meter...correct me if im wrong, i need to get this right
Ph meter, u fill water let stand for 10min and test, then add nutes test 10 min later and fix with ph up or down if needed?
Now ppm meter, the higher the number the more nutes it has compared to water? so the veg stage it should be lower and higher for flower?
Ph meter, u fill water let stand for 10min and test, then add nutes test 10 min later and fix with ph up or down if needed?
Now ppm meter, the higher the number the more nutes it has compared to water? so the veg stage it should be lower and higher for flower?
BigBudBalls
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Works for me. (though the first 10 min sit is not needed) Once you have a pattern, you can just fill container, add nutes and pH adjuster. Sit for 10 and recheck.
I'm down to a cap full and a cap full then pour.
Yup, higher ppm more nutes (its Parts Per Million) and when shooting for a target #, the plain water's ppm is part of that. So if the label says 1200 ppm and your plain water is 300 ppm, you need to add 900ppm
(thats what Advanced says at least)
Its 1200ppm after nutes, pH adjusters, etc.
Budski
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Thanks you made my stress level drop. Lolkiss-ass
bongrippinbob
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I wouldn't suggest using the cap to measure you pH up and down. That stuff will burn your skin if it gets on you. I pour mine into a cup, then use a syring to measure how much I am using.
For my nute solution, I mix 9 gallons at a time, and I have to use about 90ml of pH up to get my pH from 5.2 up to like 6.5. Be careful how much you use. With the veg formula of FF nutes, I never had to pH. But with flower you will.
You will most likely need more of the pH "up" than you do the "down". I only use the pH down when I am flushing. The nutes will bring your pH down for you, but when flushing with plain water, tap water usually has a high pH so you need the pH "down" solution.
Just be sure you get the pH meter, and not those strips. LIke I said, with the FF nutes, once the Big Bloom is added, the water looks like mud. You wont be able to tell what color the solution is. Even with the GH nutes its not too accurate because of the redish color of the nutes. Also, make sure you get a ppm meter. This way you know how strong your nutes are, what ppm they burned your plants, how stong to mix things for seedlings, clones, mature plants, etc. These two items will increase your yeild and potency a ton. You can give all the nutes you want, the most expensive brands, but if its at a pH of 4 and nothing can be absorbed, there is no good coming from it.
For my nute solution, I mix 9 gallons at a time, and I have to use about 90ml of pH up to get my pH from 5.2 up to like 6.5. Be careful how much you use. With the veg formula of FF nutes, I never had to pH. But with flower you will.
You will most likely need more of the pH "up" than you do the "down". I only use the pH down when I am flushing. The nutes will bring your pH down for you, but when flushing with plain water, tap water usually has a high pH so you need the pH "down" solution.
Just be sure you get the pH meter, and not those strips. LIke I said, with the FF nutes, once the Big Bloom is added, the water looks like mud. You wont be able to tell what color the solution is. Even with the GH nutes its not too accurate because of the redish color of the nutes. Also, make sure you get a ppm meter. This way you know how strong your nutes are, what ppm they burned your plants, how stong to mix things for seedlings, clones, mature plants, etc. These two items will increase your yeild and potency a ton. You can give all the nutes you want, the most expensive brands, but if its at a pH of 4 and nothing can be absorbed, there is no good coming from it.