Fox farm nutes, What could be wrong?

i wouldnt do anything......maybe get some distilled or RO water and do a fresh rez change, adjust and bring PPM up to 1K .......the plants dont look that bad and the damaged necrotic leaves will never become green again.

i doubt they will die, you should clip off most of the leaves that are damaged so that you can see if it is worsening.

i am pretty laid back about shit, i would just make sure shits in order and ride it out.

I do have their "Phasic feeding" schedule for hydro (recirculating or DWC) if you want it... it is where you just keep adding every week with only a few rez changes- and you keep the water 'topped-off' at all times and the pH checked daily...

let me know if you want it.

RetiredMatthebrute said:

i wouldnt do anything......maybe get some distilled or RO water and do a fresh rez change, adjust and bring PPM up to 1K .......the plants dont look that bad and the damaged necrotic leaves will never become green again.

i doubt they will die, you should clip off most of the leaves that are damaged so that you can see if it is worsening.

i am pretty laid back about shit, i would just make sure shits in order and ride it out.

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I will use Distilled or RO water tomorrow when I do my next res change. As for clipping the leaves, do you mean clip the dead parts or the entire leaf/stem? Some of the larger leaves still have some green on them.

LadyZandra said:

I do have their "Phasic feeding" schedule for hydro (recirculating or DWC) if you want it... it is where you just keep adding every week with only a few rez changes- and you keep the water 'topped-off' at all times and the pH checked daily...

let me know if you want it.

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Is the feeding schedule for the entire FF line or just the trio? I don't have their other products just tiger bloom, big bloom, and grow big.

learning05 said:

I will use Distilled or RO water tomorrow when I do my next res change. As for clipping the leaves, do you mean clip the dead parts or the entire leaf/stem? Some of the larger leaves still have some green on them.

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the whole leaf, its nothing that will help you but it will make the plants easier on the eye. scratch me saying that anyways as if the plants are going through a deficiency they are pulling nutrients from them leaves and if you cut them thre plant will start pulling from healthy leaves.

up to you i guess, dont think its going to make anything that much worse. but it wont help much either like i said just make them look nicer.

I took of 3-4 fan leaves off that where basically brown. I will leave the rest for now.

The stretch on one of the plants are wild. The branches are so long and heading out of the light. I would really like to know if they are safe to cut? Pistils are still forming on this plant. No bud development as yet.

[FONT=&amp]Yes- they include all the products- however- you can leave out the optional ones and simply increase the amounts of the base nutes in the same ratio's to get to the right ppm/ec for the age of the plant (and the strain you grow!)

Do NOT "cut off" the tops of stretching plants! the tops are the largest bud sites and hold the blooming hormones needed by the plant to blossom!

Bend them down CAREFULLY until they stay down on their own without breaking (called supercropping) Much better for the plant!

Hope this helps ya!

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PHASIC SHEDULE: (per gallon)
(follow this for bubblers, OR you can use these amounts when watering in soilbut is not as good as the weekly schedule for soil!)

New Clones, or when seedlings get 3 sets of leaves- 1tsp Grow Big + 2tsp Big Bloom
Week 3 of veg (unless going 12/12) ADD 1tsp Grow big + 2 tsp Big Bloom
4 Days Before going 12/12- Add ¼ tsp Open Sesame
Day 1 of 12/12 Drain Reservoir & refill. Add 2 tsp Tiger Bloom + 1TBS Big Bloom + ½ tsp Open Sesame
Week 3 of 12/12Add ¼ tsp Beastie Bloom
Week 5 of 12/12Drain and refill reservoir Add 2 tsp Grow Big + 1 tsp Tiger bloom + 1 TBS Big Bloom + ¼ tsp Cha ching
3-5 Days Before harvest-- Drain and refill reservoir add 2 drops Sledgehammer (If using it)

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[FONT=&amp]The reasonFox Farms doesn't list nutes for weeks 2 & 4 is that it ASSUMES your res won't go down, so you won't NEED any additional nutes (if your res stays full- great!)..
but if the plants are pretty big, or the room is warm/dry-- they can need refilling up to 3-4x a week!!! The chart doesn't take that into account--
Remember-- feed AT MOST 1x each week-- only water in-between!
Use additional nutes from week one at 1/2 rate until in flower (between recomended feeds) then in flower-- for additional feeds, use the nutes from the 1st week of flower at 1/2 rate in between...again--NEVER feed more than 1x a week!

Bubblers (DWC) CAN use the weekly Schedules-- BUT ONLY if you use an ec/ppm meter to keep the levels where they should be....
an ec around 1.2-1.5 in veg.. then 1.5 -1.7 in flower unltill the last 2-3 weeks... then can go as high as 2.0 for some strains. Watch yor plants! they'll tell you if you are over/under feeding!

Remember to flush with either plain water, or water and carbs (no N-P-K) for at least 3 days prior to harvest to purge Nitrogen, Magnesium etc.. from the plants!



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Thanks. I wasn't talking about cutting the tops, I was talking about the bottom branches of one of my plants that is still growing pistils.

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Do NOT "cut off" the tops of stretching plants! the tops are the largest bud sites and hold the blooming hormones needed by the plant to blossom![/FONT][FONT=&amp]



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I agrre that apical growth produces fat tops. But the rest of your statement is utter bullshit.

So I had to cut a small bud off because I wanted to inspect the trichomes and the one I choose is still clear. Different bud sites have different rates of filling up right? Meaning some will be cloudy while others are clear or amber?

60% of Americans are overweight. I've seen overweight pets. The amount of food given to your girls may be too much. Need I remind you that toothpaste commercials show gobs of toothpaste on the brush even though dentist will tell you that the amount of toothpaste needed is the size of a pea. The manufacturers want consumers to use lots so they will purchase more. Is Fox Farm doing the same? It will take 1-2 years of experimentation before one becomes adept with the particular nutes and specific plans. JOURNALIZE EVERYTHING AND CHECK YOUR NOTES.

learning05 said:

I have 3 plants. 1 female 2 unknown and they are in the second week of flowering. They are growing in a dwc with netpots, hydroton, and rockwool. CFL lighting (my one female is about 3ft. Its taller than the other two plants). I used a different nute brand during veg and switched over to FF trio beginning of the 12/12 cycle.


I am using FF trio for my DWC grow and the plants looked like they were nute burned after I followed FF suggested serving size for the first week of flower. Now I have the res filled with 6 gal of water and 25% of the serving.

So more info:
FF Big Bloom NPK is .01-.3-.7
FF Grow Big NPK is 3-2-6
FF Tiger Bloom NPK is 2-8-4


FF suggests 3 tsp/gal big bloom, 1 grow big tsp/gal, and 1 tiger bloom tsp/gal for 12/12 week 5 with a ppm range of 1120-1260. They say feed twice/week. Each serving is about 600 ppm in 6 gal of water. I did that and ended up with what I believe is nute burn but there are clearly some leaves with mg deficiency signs. I ordered botanicare's cal-mg plus and it should be here by next week. I believe they are in a lockout and are not eating anymore based off the ppm rising and constant ph (but its only been two days).



My question is if they were nute burned or over-fertilized how long does it usually take for them to start eating again? My ppm after feeding the 25% serving was a 340 at a .5 conversion factor and my tap water has a ppm of 140. So I have noticed in the last few days that the ppm is rising (now at a 420) but the PH has been a stable 5.8-6.0. So it seems as if water is evaporating or they are drinking water and not eating any food. My temps are 77 f for the room and the res is 68-73 f sometimes cooler.


The growth seems to have slowed but the newest growth seems healthy. The fan leaves immediately below the new growth have brown tips/saw blade edges. Some of the tips have curled upward while others downward and a few others are twisted as well as curled.

I am not using any of their additives just the FF trio. I am in week 1 of flowering. I noticed they drank a gallon in the past two days so I added 1.5 tsp tiger bloom, .5 big bloom, and .5 grow big to 1 gal of water. It brought the res ph to a 5.6 and a ppm of (443-140=) 303 I figured adding a little more tiger bloom for the P since I wasn't using their additional products like open sesame.

Here are some pics: THE YELLOW IS FROM THE CFLS if i turned them off it was way to dark to see.

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I appreciate your time and help. Ill pay it forward!

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If you are doing hydro make sure you are using the blue grow big bottle tailored for hydro & follow the hydro feeding chart.