Flush?

I guess my flush isn't really a flush per say..just hit em with florakleen then plain water for 6-7 days usually before I chop..damned if I know if it is better or worse though. too many variables for me between the time I grow a certain clone again that i couldn't isolate it.

still my thinking side tends to agree more with the data that flushing isn't as crucial as people wanna believe. one of those chicken or the egg debates.

Dunbar Santiago said:

Plants naturally accumulate extra nutes in case the soil gets depleted. You can't get around it whether you're in soil or hydro. But like i said earlier, the amount is so small it doesn't need to be flushed. A plant can only hold so much nutrient in reserve. There can be an imbalance of nutrients (too much n p or k) in organic soil just like hydro resulting in deficiencies or burn. The idea that in (organic) soil a plant gets exactly what it needs when it needs it, is inaccurate. If that were the case, it would be impossible to burn a plant in organic amended soil.

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Tell me how you go about burning a plant with organic nutrients. And by organic, I mean something that requires the assistance of microbes to become bio available.

If somebody decided to dump an obscene amount of blood meal on their plant, the effects of that would not be "burn", it would be lockout due to the acidic, imbalanced conditions that were just created. Organic nutrients are FAR less concentrated than synthetic and break down over the course of weeks and months as opposed to salts that are immediately taken up by the plant.

Jussblaz3420 said:

Whatever you put into your buds your gonna get out, the ferts are already in your bud, flushing just gets them out of the soil, so no flushing is pretty much pointless and if u want to grow bud and be able to feed it a whole bunch of different nutes up till harvest without worrying about a chemical taste, go organic.

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i'm not picking on you per se, just that you' were the second one to mention organic in this thread, and i always wonder why organic magically tastes better then "chem" based nutes?
is the nitrogen that comes from bird shit, the same nitrogen that comes from a factory? don't both molecules have the same amount of electrons and protons floating aruond its nucleus ?
to some it up, aren't the chemicals in organic nutrients the same exact chemicals that are made by man in a factory? how does a plant know that a nitrogen atom was derived from bird shit instead of made by say fox farm in a lab? aren't all chemicals of the same name the same exact thing, no matter where they started life from?

racerboy71 said:

i'm not picking on you per se, just that you' were the second one to mention organic in this thread, and i always wonder why organic magically tastes better then "chem" based nutes?
is the nitrogen that comes from bird shit, the same nitrogen that comes from a factory? don't both molecules have the same amount of electrons and protons floating aruond its nucleus ?
to some it up, aren't the chemicals in organic nutrients the same exact chemicals that are made by man in a factory? how does a plant know that a nitrogen atom was derived from bird shit instead of made by say fox farm in a lab? aren't all chemicals of the same name the same exact thing, no matter where they started life from?

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I trust what mother nature gives us, not what man makes in a lab, but thats just me.

Jussblaz3420 said:

I trust what mother nature gives us, not what man makes in a lab, but thats just me.

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ok, but my question still stands.. isn't nitrogen from bird shit the same exact molecule as nitrogen that man made? and pretty much the same exact thing for every single molecule, be it man made, or nature made??

Jussblaz3420 said:

I trust what mother nature gives us, not what man makes in a lab, but thats just me.

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just playing devil's advocate here, don't mind me, but i guess that means you never take an asprin or drink say a beer or wine or eat pretty much any foods? see what i'm doing here?

Yea now answer me this, is any of that shit good for you? No, theres gmos in all our food, which is terrible for us yet we eat em anyway, and look what its doing to us, id rather it not happen to my plants as well lol

st0wandgrow said:

Tell me how you go about burning a plant with organic nutrients. And by organic, I mean something that requires the assistance of microbes to become bio available.

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Urea is organic. (main ingredient in miracle grow and jacks classic.) It requires bacteria to convert into nitrates.

It's SUPER easy to add too much urea and burn your plants!

st0wandgrow said:

If somebody decided to dump an obscene amount of blood meal on their plant, the effects of that would not be "burn", it would be lockout due to the acidic, imbalanced conditions that were just created.

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The same exact thing can be said about inorganic salts. Nutrient burn is extremely rare in hydro systems, even without a ppm meter. What people often think is nutrient burn is usually lockout due to imbalance . The only real way to get nute burn in hydro is to be over 1600 (0.70 scale)

In soil, imbalance is much more likely, as the grower rarely has any idea how much limestone is in his soil. Because of this, organic growers have a tendency to add either too much or too little limestone to their soil mix. Calcium antagonizes other cations (like potassium, magnesium, and iron) so too much limestone will often lead to other cation deficiencies.

It's actually easier to burn your plants with urea than it is pure nitrate salts.

My biggest question is... Who the hell told all these organic guys that feeding with nitrate salts is bad for you?

Who told you this? It's simply NOT TRUE. These salts are a lot more natural than you think. Go look for a more reputable source. Learn chemistry before bashing very simple ionic compounds, keys to life on earth.

We eat "synthetic" table salt (sodium chloride) every single day without thinking about it, but if the plant wants salts, it's "harmful/strong chemicals"? Why not get all your salt from animal meat? Never add table salt to your food ever again.

If plants could talk, they'd tell you to add more salt!

churchhaze said:

Urea is organic. (main ingredient in miracle grow and jacks classic.) It requires bacteria to convert into nitrates.

It's SUPER easy to add too much urea and burn your plants!



The same exact thing can be said about inorganic salts. Nutrient burn is extremely rare in hydro systems, even without a ppm meter. What people often think is nutrient burn is usually lockout due to imbalance . The only real way to get nute burn in hydro is to be over 1600 (0.70 scale)

In soil, imbalance is much more likely, as the grower rarely has any idea how much limestone is in his soil. Because of this, organic growers have a tendency to add either too much or too little limestone to their soil mix. Calcium antagonizes other cations (like potassium, magnesium, and iron) so too much limestone will often lead to other cation deficiencies.

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By definition

churchhaze said:

Urea is organic. (main ingredient in miracle grow and jacks classic.) It requires bacteria to convert into nitrates.

It's SUPER easy to add too much urea and burn your plants!



The same exact thing can be said about inorganic salts. Nutrient burn is extremely rare in hydro systems, even without a ppm meter. What people often think is nutrient burn is usually lockout due to imbalance . The only real way to get nute burn in hydro is to be over 1600 (0.70 scale)

In soil, imbalance is much more likely, as the grower rarely has any idea how much limestone is in his soil. Because of this, organic growers have a tendency to add either too much or too little limestone to their soil mix. Calcium antagonizes other cations (like potassium, magnesium, and iron) so too much limestone will often lead to other cation deficiencies.

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Urea is very water soluble and does not require microbes to process it. While by definition it's organic, I don't hear of many organic gardeners dumping it on their plants. You hear of the odd hippy pissing on his plants, but that's about it

racerboy71 said:

i'm not picking on you per se, just that you' were the second one to mention organic in this thread, and i always wonder why organic magically tastes better then "chem" based nutes?
is the nitrogen that comes from bird shit, the same nitrogen that comes from a factory? don't both molecules have the same amount of electrons and protons floating aruond its nucleus ?
to some it up, aren't the chemicals in organic nutrients the same exact chemicals that are made by man in a factory? how does a plant know that a nitrogen atom was derived from bird shit instead of made by say fox farm in a lab? aren't all chemicals of the same name the same exact thing, no matter where they started life from?

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I like my chem nuted buds better then when I was growing soil with organic nutrients...now I think I am a better grower then I was 2 years ago so again too many variables to judge..though I should get some soil mixed up and cooking so I can see what happens now and if I prefer it..

still cant imagine a dialed in tahoe run in chem nutrients could taste much better but then again what the F do I know.

Liquid karma is some nasty lookin shit compared to ph'ed water it can't be bad to flush

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I looked up this thread for guidance on flushing, it seems to divide growers into two groups, those who do and those who don't. Since I will never get a clear yes or no on RIU, I will just do what the nute company says to do, and that is a 7 day flush.

Jussblaz3420 said:

I trust what mother nature gives us, not what man makes in a lab, but thats just me.

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Jussblaz3420 said:

Yea now answer me this, is any of that shit good for you? No, theres gmos in all our food, which is terrible for us yet we eat em anyway, and look what its doing to us, id rather it not happen to my plants as well lol

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Sooo I guess you're on the paleo diet? Because if you aren't, you're being just a tad bit hypocritical.

The idea is to cut back on the nutrients for the final week or so. If done correctly the leaves on your plant will start turning browinsh and kinda crispy-this is a GOOD thing, the plant is using it's own energy reserves, sorta cannabilizing itself, and it makes for a much smoother smoke-your leaves will look kinda bunk but your buds will be amazing!

So it's not really a 'flush' but I recommend getting down to at least 1/4 strength of your regular dose for a week, followed by 1-7 days of JUST water-then chop.

If it says to flush on the bottle, then you should do what it says. The above method has worked well for me, however until you know exactly how a strain behaves it can be hard to judge the timing of when to start. I've seen premature flushes negatively impact yeild. If the breeder says 60 days, it's probably more like 70-75 and. If you start flushing a week prior to 60 days your going to be starving your plant right when they make their final push to pack on weight.

Jussblaz3420 said:

Haha i used mg once, theyre organic potting mix, honestly wasnt that bad, it is a little "hot" for young ladys but once ur plant is mature i think it could handle it, atleast in my case, my avatar is actually a bud from that grow.

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I was reading up on some different info on Mandala Seed's website and the funny thing is that if you look under recommend soil, MG is actually listed. I couldn't believe my eyes.

It seems everybody is just thinking the flushing takes out unwanted salts and what not from your Fertilizer/nutrient solution. THERE IS ANOTHER REASON WE FLUSH. Your plant wants the extra water to produce heavier denser buds and it will also help finish faster.

mr2shim said:

Sooo I guess you're on the paleo diet? Because if you aren't, you're being just a tad bit hypocritical.

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Well im not, but i think we could all agree gmos are bad for you, if i grew corn organically out of the dirt, and then bread corn using needles and chemicals made in a lab, which corn would u rather eat?

Jussblaz3420 said:

Well im not, but i think we could all agree gmos are bad for you, if i grew corn organically out of the dirt, and then bread corn using needles and chemicals made in a lab, which corn would u rather eat?

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Neither because corn is bad for you, the starch almost immediately turns into sugar. All corn is GMO really.

Wow thanks for all the input! I guess it's all trial and error find out wht works for you. I appreciate all the help and feedback from everyone!! Go Sharks!!!!