First Grow w/ LED (Lots of Pics)

nroth

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Hi everyone, this will be me and one other's first real go at growing. Without going too far into it....I looked into the LED option for multiple reasons. Main ones being small use of power, target of light wavelengths, lack of heat(closet grow), and just really wanted to build a high power led circuit.

The light consists of 24 luxeon leds, each consuming around 3watts of power. So a total of around 72watts of leds. There are 18 red, and 6 blue leds and are being driven by a 24v 4.5amp power supply which is running near it's max. The power supply is hooked up to a LED driver circuit which has adjustable voltage from where the led's barely turn on, to all the way up, which is where they are very close to. It also controls the current flowing through them, so that it doesn't change and overdrive the leds when the voltage changes. This setup is 4 rows in parallel of 6 led's wired in series. If you are curious about the circuit, here is the basic plan I followed. RGB Color Controllable High Power LED Room + Spot Lighting: circuit operation - Instructables - DIY, How To, home, tech . The led's are mounted on what seemed like a strange fancy aluminum fluorescent bulb fixture which were given to us, when they didn't know what it was at the closeout store. We cut the fixtures down into 26inch lengths and used high temp silicon to glue the leds to each fixture. Yes, those are clothes hangers holding them up....only temporary as we need to source a drill from someone.

We have two cheapo flourescent bulbs that were temporary for the first 4 days or so until I got the LED fixtures built. They are in with the LED fixture just because we figure there can't be enough light, and are rigged up messily, but I am open to any suggestions on changing the setup. There is a largish fan for circulating air in the closet, and a small fan mounted right over the led driver circuit to prolong its life.



Now to the plants....There are 13 total in there, with many of them being planted at different times over the past 10 days or so. The stems were a bit skinny, so that's when we got the fan, and have recently added dirt close up to the small clover leaves. We have also recently got some vigoro 24-8-16 all purpose plant food for vegging, and have added 1/2 a tsp to a gallon of water like it says on the container for seedlings. I am curious to how often this is to be used. It says on it every 14-28 days to use it, but it seems like people here use plant food more often.

Also, I am unsure on the watering. I am thinking about getting a hydrometer tomorrow to help, but it just seems like I am scared of overwatering, but at the same time the soil is hard to judge if it is too dry. The seedlings started off fast, but then kinda slowed down after a few days. I guess the lack of light to begin with could of been one cause. One of the more recent seedlings in the last few days has only been up while the leds have been in and has developed a much larger stem and has almost caught up with the others that are around 7-9 days old.




Overall, I'd just like some input on the whole setup, and what I could change within reason to produce better results. Anyone who would like to watch to see what a high output LED setup can do is more than welcome to keep up with this grow, but there is room for newbie error too. However, all the LED haters, go your way, I've read enough of the hating in some of the other threads. I believe alot of people would rather be able to brag about their lighting setups, than their results. It helps none with the interest and experimentation with alternative lighting methods. Thanks for looking!












 

nroth

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My buddy and I have decided to add some 42watt cfl's to help add some more lumens and to provide more wavelengths of light. Also, some have said leds aren't the best for seedlings. I shall post some updated pictures soon.

Question: Does this seedling look small for being almost 10 days from being put in dirt right after germination? It seems like I've seen pictures of plants with the 3 fan leave pairs at around 10days. But maybe they were talking about after the seedling stage. Also, how often should we use the plant food? Every 14-28 days like on the container, or every other time we water?
 

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clown

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i'm also growing using led's
one plant under led's combined with t5.
one just led
one under t5
and one using only sfl
so far the fastest growing plant is the one under t5+led.
 

peiper

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I am the closet-keeper of this little experiment we've got going. This is my first time growing at the point we're at now... (I tried once before but an angry roommate let the cat into my closet to eat my plants before they got past young seedling stage.) I've got a couple questions that experienced growers can help with, I'm sure... 1. The thing I'm shakiest on is knowing when to water and how much to use. We have an analog (I guess that's the term, it's not digital) moisture meter that's currently saying the soil is at a 9 on a 1-10 scale of moisture, but the top layer of soil is pretty dry. I was just wondering if the lower parts of the soil seem wet enough, should I go ahead and water normally, or just spray the soil? Any other tips about how to water are greatly appreciated too. 2. Is there a time when it's best to water? As in before the lights go off for the night, or before they come on, or any little time I feel like watering? We've been reading up on the forum getting info, and watching instructional videos, but direct critique on our grow would be great. Thanks.
 

peiper

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Oh yeah... One more question I have is about the location of the plants themselves. We've been balancing the distance of the lights from the plants with the optimum lighted area with pretty good results, but I'm having to rotate the plants every few hours to keep them from growing all crazy-crooked from trying to grow towards the best light source. Is this normal? is there anything I can do? Right now optimum coverage by the lights looks to be about 9 square feet (about 3x3) with 12 plants growing right now. some of them are just S.O.L. for a few hours until they get rotated. Is this something you guys run into as well? I guess what I'm getting at is... does anybody have a tested system for placing the plants, or do you just wing it? That's what I've been doing, and it has worked.
 

cruzer101

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H there,

Im no pro but I can tell you what I have found by researching.
A lot of people dont like LEDS lol.

I am currently in the middle of a grow with MH and HPS lighting but I am building a LED stealth cabinet. I have found out, and have seen tests of lighting and 25% blue to 75% red has been tried and proven to be the best mix. As far as placement of the plants you want them as close to directly under the lights as you can. None under the canopy and use reflective material like mylar everywhere to use all the light.

You think your plants should be larger? Maybe the grows you look at are in hydroponics, they do grow faster you know. I wouldnt worry about it. My advice to you would be to be sure to balance ph, dont over water, once a day max. those leds dont dry up the soil. and dont over nute, stay at 50% of whats recomended untill you see 5 point leaves.

Try to keep some humitity in the room about 60% while there young and about 80 degrees. small fan to gently firm up the stocks would be good.

I followed your link to the High powered led room setup and after reading his post and realising I could build the curcit needed I went and purchased 10 highpower leds in royal blue for my veg section. I intend to use them with a couple t5 3000k 24" lamps.

I have built my LED flowering lamps first,

light spectrum needed by plants:
Chlorophyll b 410-453nm
Chlorophyll a 642-662nm

So, I used compact fluorescent (cfl)
and LEDs to hit those wavelengths

56 watts (4X14w cfl) = 180w 3000k (probaly move up in watts but its 50/50 for now)

42 watts LED 25% blue 455-485nm 75% red 615-655nm
Three panels, 272 0.05w bulbs per panel.
Heres link to panel test: LED Test

18 watts LED red 662-680nm
4 90 led PAR 30 spotlights

Total 1172 leds
Now they are not the 3 watt like yours but there are several of them.
I bought 3 panel kits and assembled them.

I am still workin on getting it together, they dont look like much but when I try and take a picture of them there real bright. I will attach a pic of one panel reflecting in the mirror, thats 75% red but look at the blue ring the camera shows. the next pic is what it looks like (I got it off the site)
 

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nroth

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Here are a couple more pictures I took with my phone. I'll upload some better ones tomorrow or the next day when I can get a chance to. We ended up getting a total of 8 42w cfl's. Used 3 2-way splitters on each cable and it makes a very nice "fixture" that covers alot of area. So i think with these and the dominantly red light from the led's should be decent for flowering some plants. Also, we acquired a moisture/light/ph meter which is pretty awesome, but we found our ph to be on the high side of 7, and the water here is a ph of 7.8 or so from some water ph tests. So we are now using vinegar to bring the ph down of the water, so hopefully soon it will bring our ph of the soil down.


 

nroth

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Update....The ages are 12-17 days old from planting. We are going to go by the moisture meters, and let the soil get to 3 or 4, then water with some distilled water to ensure proper PH. I believe now we were having both the problem of overwatering/poor drainage, and a very high PH for our tap water. Will a good watering with the correct PH of water fix the PH issue? The water here is 7.8, and our soil is showing around 8, so it would make sense.



 

nroth

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So a quick update....So as of yesterday we have seen an amazing turn around, and I'm almost positive the yellowing was due to overwatering. The slightly older seedlings were the main ones turning yellow, and all of them now have new green healthly leaves coming in. They leaves are also now standing at attention for the light, instead of drooping. To top it off, the younger seedlings are growing crazy fast now. The soil is now at the ideal wetness, now 3 days after not watering, but is taking forever to dry out. I think when we transplant we will definitely look more into the soil. I'll post some new pictures here sometime tonight.
 

nroth

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I promised some more pictures of the turn around in the last two days. So far giving them LESS attention is making them look better. You can see in these pictures that they look much more green, and our largest one looked like this two days ago.....

And here the same one is tonight. You can see, it only made one set of 3 leaves, and jumped straight to the sets of 5 leaves.

And some more pictures including the outlet we got so we don't have an extension cord running into the closet. Also, please take no harm with the dry erase board, it's purely making fun of the views it's expressing. We are using it to keep track of moisture levels and ph on an individual basis. And to make sure they get rotated properly.



You can see these are bag seeds, and some of them look like different strains...will be interesting to see the differences.
 

TEUFELHuNDEN420

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so what is it with LED's i hear they supply all the right red and blue wavelengths for the plant to use but i have never seen anyone grow with them and get fat buds at harvest time. i think the next step would be to go with LED + Hydro instead of soil to get even better yields. and if that works good then LEDs could be like the future of growing herb. anyway good luck i hope u get lots of fatty fuckin nuggs!!!
 

D2A

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is growing under an led better then a grow light? lol cause i used a black light once n it kept the plants a nice dark green till they budded
 

nroth

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so what is it with LED's i hear they supply all the right red and blue wavelengths for the plant to use but i have never seen anyone grow with them and get fat buds at harvest time. i think the next step would be to go with LED + Hydro instead of soil to get even better yields. and if that works good then LEDs could be like the future of growing herb. anyway good luck i hope u get lots of fatty fuckin nuggs!!!
Our LED's are just there for support right now. They are mainly red light, so will help out with flowering mainly. I'm thinking right now LEDs in general are a great supplemental light. Counting just the red led's there should be around 2500 lumens of pure red light coming from them.
 

nroth

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Well, we got a thermometer and found out our temps were way to high with the closet shut for longish periods of time(3 hours or so), so we devised up a cheap ventilation system, including a discrete setup. So what we did was hook up our $11 wal-mart fan to some 8" ducting($12) and a collector($7), and ran it straight out of the closet, after cutting a rectangle hole in the wall. Then we covered the hole with a regular heating/cooling vent cover. This was installed at the top of the room. We made everything air tight by using duct tape.

Next, we took the left over hose, and attatched it to a hole we cut at the bottom of the closet. We covered this part also with a cover. These heating/ac covers were $5 each. Because the fan up top is blowing air out of the closet, than automatically draws air in from the bottom of the closet, thus giving us a cheap incognito ventilation system. Throw a couple dryer sheets on the back of the exit fan, and instant smell cover up also. We made sure each hose had a good bend in it so that no light was excaping from the vents, also. Around the door, we have added weather stripping, so no extra light gets out of the cracks of the door. This makes the closet look completely normal from the ouside.

Check out the pictures of the setup, and the progress of the plants. Two days ago I ordered 10 lowryder2 seeds, so we will be keeping our best current plants, and start focusing more on the lowryders, since they fit our grow well. We can have one closet that is both vegging our first plants, and vegging and flowering lowryders.

We have recently fimmed all the larger plants, and will show detailed pictures of the results as soon and they are easily visible.


 
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