Early signs of something wrong

Hydrowannabe said:

Haha no way would I be doing that either if I were using that much water. I can see where you are coming from with your points . I’m just growing for myself and my mom, so a few plants with a good yield keep me happy. Growing less plants also helps me to focus on the “whys” and “how’s” of things. I’m still waiting for the parts for my diy reservoir, so I’m currently storing my plain r/o water in one three gallon jug....and another three gal jug with my mixed solution (I know, those ratios are off I’m sure), but yea. So that leads me to the question of storage...do I need to oxygenate the water in those jugs, or will they be fine as long as I’m refilling them on a weekly basis. I can’t seem to find a good way to word that question lol.. don’t worry if it doesn’t make much sense to you

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You dont need to oxygenate the jugs. Just keep them away from light because algae might start growing and as far as the nuted jug you dont want any organic material in it so it doesn't go anaerobic on you.

Bernie420 said:

You dont need to oxygenate the jugs. Just keep them away from light because algae might start growing and as far as the nuted jug you dont want any organic material in it so it doesn't go anaerobic on you.

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Thanks for that valuable piece of info. Two people now said that I didn’t need to, so I’m going with the majority. Here’s a pic of the mango puff clone now. Things are very well dialed in. I think I had lumen shock or ph imbalance. Once I got my blue lab and fed it r/o water plus a little calmag and adjusted the ph, she perked right back up. This is definitely my last soil grow though. I feel like I’m always guessing in soil, unlike with coco I will be using,,...and problems I should be able to diagnose much quicker and easier

FORgot the pic

Hydrowannabe said:

I’m so happy my blue lab ph pen came in. The water that I had been feeding her with had a ph of 5.9 lol. Like I assumed, my cheaper meters were off. I probably would not have seen this issue pop up until too late if it wasn’t potted in a small solo cup first. So...that’s another advantage to starting in a small pot and “potting up” from there. I know there’s a lot of debate about that topic. So end of story. I think my problem Should be solved and I was also able to fit my two cents worth in the post
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Actually with a quality organic soil you don't need to ph the in going water. As organic matter decays it creates ions that buffer ph.

Go with plain water. Let it dry out. Letting the soil get on the dry side will encourage root growth.

Go back to the t5. T5 works great for veg and the 400 is more than needed at this point.

Other than that the clone looks decent. No major problems yet.

Bernie420 said:

The old "im buying water from the grocery store trick huh" Whats the ppm of that???

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Mine from glacier machine is 10 ppm.

But I remineralize with 30% tap water bringing ppm's up to 200 or so. My tap is over 650 ppm.

Bernie420 said:

You could slip and fall and break a hip.

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$3 for 10 gallons and I need the exercise.

Hydrowannabe said:

FORgot the pic

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Every photo I've seen of that plant thus far has been with the media soaking wet. Stop watering your plant so heavily. It needs to DRY OUT to encourage the roots to explore, and so that they get enough oxygen. Cannabis wants and needs a wet/dry cycle.

Foliar spray with Canna Rhizotonic and let your plants dry out. You will have roots exploding out of the bottom of the cup.

whitebb2727 said:

Actually with a quality organic soil you don't need to ph the in going water. As organic matter decays it creates ions that buffer ph.

Go with plain water. Let it dry out. Letting the soil get on the dry side will encourage root growth.

Go back to the t5. T5 works great for veg and the 400 is more than needed at this point.

Other than that the clone looks decent. No major problems yet.

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Organic matter will not decay in time to release all the needed nutrients if you’re running a perpetual cycle

Let me be stoked about knowing how to use r/o water and know exactly what in my water now haha. That’s a joke

newgrow16 said:

Mine from glacier machine is 10 ppm.

But I remineralize with 30% tap water bringing ppm's up to 200 or so. My tap is over 650 ppm.

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idk what people are getting freaked about the r/o water. It’s the next best thing to learn how to use and adjust next to rain water. I keep telling them that I’m switching to hydro but I don’t think anybody is listening lol. I’m cloning from this clone. I just potted the “mother” in soil to make sure nothing crazy happens so I can take more cuttings and then stick em in rock wool and coco. This is my last soil run, so I’m switching all my gear and changing my knowledge towards hydro growing....learning about water, how to use reservoirs, measure as to not waste etc

newgrow16 said:

$3 for 10 gallons and I need the exercise.

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I’ve posted this like three times and somehow failed. Anyway. Do you add some tap as a buffer for when you check ph and or to raise ppm to stay on course with a feeding schedule?

It’s back under 400 Watts mh. Starting real far away from the light this time. Depending on how to plant grows, will tell me how close or high or a wattage I can use....it’s been a while since my last grow so I forget some things about lighting

Hydrowannabe said:

Organic matter will not decay in time to release all the needed nutrients if you’re running a perpetual cycle

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Pay attention. I didn't say anything about nutrients. I said as organic matter decays it creates ions that buffer ph.

In a good soil ph'ing water is pointless. The soil buffers the ph. As soil dries the ph swings to allow proper nutrient uptake.

That roots is enough to feed for a while. Don't feed it. Quit watering it.

Back to your statement. Why wouldn't the organic matter breaking down not happen fast enough? In a properly built soil you would have faster and slow releasing inputs.

You want to kick was in that root? Mix a cup of Espoma garden tone to a bag and a couple pounds of worm castings. Once a month add a pinch of garden tone and handful of castings.

If you really want it to kick ass charge up some bio char and mix in.

I've grown start to finish water only. A good soil mix only gets better with time.

Happy and green to the end.

What you call odd growth could be over feeding. I plant seeds straight to final pots in good soil. Sometimes I can tell its a bit much. It will cause funny growth.

Hydrowannabe said:

idk what people are getting freaked about the r/o water. It’s the next best thing to learn how to use and adjust next to rain water. I keep telling them that I’m switching to hydro but I don’t think anybody is listening lol. I’m cloning from this clone. I just potted the “mother” in soil to make sure nothing crazy happens so I can take more cuttings and then stick em in rock wool and coco. This is my last soil run, so I’m switching all my gear and changing my knowledge towards hydro growing....learning about water, how to use reservoirs, measure as to not waste etc

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No body's listening for a reason.

Are you proficient in hydro? Soil gives time to correct. One mishap in hydro and you can kill them quit quickly.

Don't get me wrong. I don't mean anythjng by it. Its just that you post a thread with a close to healthy plant that only needs minor corrections that are the basis to growing and should be learned already. There comes the doubt about hydro.

Dude...please don’t talk to me like this is my first harlequin. For one, I’ve been farming over a hundred acres per year of beans and corn, ...I know plenty about organic and synthetic methods on large scales buddy. I, choosing soil bc I’ve had plenty of years with it.

Look at the title genius. Early symptoms. I did have an issue, I like to correct them before they really show symptoms bc by then, they’ve been stunted in soil. Your have been mislead my friend

I don’t find your pics overly impressive. Nice, but not bragging worth. I would post my pics, but all my past grow pics are gone. I recently moved if you read hence new grow setup. Read ppl read!

Guy, you’re showing one cola lmao. Where are the others

One off you guys who keep hyjacking my read about urn specifics ways I’m growing. Every grower oven ever has the “best method.” Define best. I’m disabled in certain ways that don’t let me go out in public much, so I have too much time on my hands and growing is therapeutic for me,..so for me,...maybe over doing it, using piss water as nutes a small an experiment. I happen to love learning about water and soil. I been studying them for years and been studying hydroponics specifically the last two years. What does it matter to you growers so damn much. It’s like you’re not here to answer the question, you’re here to prove you know an easier way. I agree. Soil is easier. Name one other real benefit of using soil indoors unless you are consisting a greenhouse indoors and have plants in 100 gall dirt bags. Otherwise, your aren’t going to reap the benefits from roots organic that you think you are benefiting from,...unless you beg for a long as time in a big pot. Soil needs to be at least Three feet piled high for microbobial activitiy to work and shit start breaking down into soluble nutes. I win. You never even touched my question

I’m onviously going through some shit right now and just wish I could post a question on a forum and have people attempt to answer it,..not disect every single way and method of growing I use. To all the people that were freaking out that I was using r/o water...rest assured, I’m not using just tap water. I really don’t understand how people can be confident enough to just dive right into hydroponics without knowing why and how to do things. More power to you I guess. Anyway, the mango clone is bushing out and doing well. A little over nuted but o well