Early signs of something wrong

information: the clone is mango puff. It is 6 days old from transplant. I’m using roots organic original soil. I’m using r/o water with added cal mag and a little superthrive. Always ph’d to about 6.5. The clone has been under t5’s for 6 days and then The clone had showing first signs of new top growth so I figured it would be fine placing it under my metal halide 400 Watts. You can cross out environmental factors..I have things dialed in pretty well there. From past experiences, if I don’t figure this out soon, it will only progress, hence why I’m getting butthurt about slightly clawed leaves etc. I’ve never had to use r/o water in the past b/c my water from my old house was fine (here, it is softened well water). I never ran into problems this early on. So I’m thinking it has to deal with my lack of experience with r/o water. I don’t know. Thanks for reading!

theres nothing wrong with that clone that is visible from that picture

Also,...with the superthrive and cal mag and ph down added,..the Ppms are low,..at about 180 ppms. I mixed up a separate reservoir where the calmag And superthrive make about 400 ppms that I think I’m going to try for my next watering. I’m thinking I didn’t add enough calmag

You can cut out that Superthrive. Good to use once or twice for transplant but it doesn't need to be a regular fertilizer. Get yourself some quality nutes and start off at 1/4 strength and work from there.

It’s very early symptoms of strange behavior. Curled main stem,..just looks different from every clone I’ve dealt with and I’ve dealt with quite a few. Thank you for your reassurance. I’m pretty nervous having to use r/o water so any weird looking stuff, I’m most likely going to assume it has something to do with calmag

Thank you peo0le for such quick replies. Wow this forum is greatt

blake9999 said:

You can cut out that Superthrive. Good to use once or twice for transplant but it doesn't need to be a regular fertilizer. Get yourself some quality nutes and start off at 1/4 strength and work from there.

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Yea I was planning on just using it once or twice, but I unintentionally added it to a three gallon mix that I don’t want to waste ha. I have quality soil and hydro nutes (I plan on making the switch to hydro soon)..but for the soil nutes, I use the Fox farms line but I don’t add any of their nutes until a few weeks of growth usually

How much CalMag per gallon did you use? Roots already contains nutrients.

Stink Bug said:

View attachment 4082681 How much CalMag per gallon did you use? Roots already contains nutrients.

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I used half the recommended dose of calmag,..about 3 ml per gallon. I did know that roots organic comes with quite a bit of nutrients already premixed but I always thought the calcium and magnesium come from minerals in tap water unless using r/o water since the minerals have been removed, including the beneficial ones. Idk, i think the issue was that it was still to early to put it under 400 Watts mh. I know that too much light can affect how the nutes are taken up. Thanks again people

Roots can carry a plant for some time with just water. The nutrients you decide to use once needed will dictate if you need CalMag or not, even with RO water.

If its only been 6 stays it prob rooted but barely. And over watered. It certainly hasnt had time to stabilise from my experience. Keep an eye on it. I think it looks fine, and just needs a couple more days to have enough roots to support that clone. To me its a large cut, but i take small cuts as a personal preference.

Stink Bug said:

Roots can carry a plant for some time with just water. The nutrients you decide to use once needed will dictate if you need CalMag or not, even with RO water.

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I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I have heard different. But it could be that I heard (or read) wrong

Hydrowannabe said:

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I have heard different. But it could be that I heard (or read) wrong

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Some nutrient lines contain enough of both. Some do not. Your issue right now is too much calmag. 3ml per gallon is a heavy dose for such a small plant. Especially on top of what the medium contains,

GeneBanker said:

If its only been 6 stays it prob rooted but barely. And over watered. It certainly hasnt had time to stabilise from my experience. Keep an eye on it. I think it looks fine, and just needs a couple more days to have enough roots to support that clone. To me its a large cut, but i take small cuts as a personal preference.

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It’s a dispensary bought clone that was rooted quite well already. I just transplanted it six days ago. I agree, I think it needs to be under the t5s for a couple more days though. My personal cuttings are always different in size, depends where I need to prune ha. My blue lab ph meter literally just arrived in the mail. I’m going to make sure my other cheaper ph meters were working properly right now. Blue lab never lies!

Stink Bug said:

Some nutrient lines contain enough of both. Some do not. Your issue right now is too much calmag. 3ml per gallon is a heavy dose for such a small plant. Especially on top of what the medium contains,

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Like I said earlier, this is my first grow with r/o water. I do know r/o has to be treated differently than tap water because everything has been taken out, including beneficial minerals. I will definitely take your advise into account as I’m diagnosing it. Thanks a lot for your replies

I’m so happy my blue lab ph pen came in. The water that I had been feeding her with had a ph of 5.9 lol. Like I assumed, my cheaper meters were off. I probably would not have seen this issue pop up until too late if it wasn’t potted in a small solo cup first. So...that’s another advantage to starting in a small pot and “potting up” from there. I know there’s a lot of debate about that topic. So end of story. I think my problem Should be solved and I was also able to fit my two cents worth in the post
ha

Stink Bug said:

Some nutrient lines contain enough of both. Some do not. Your issue right now is too much calmag. 3ml per gallon is a heavy dose for such a small plant. Especially on top of what the medium contains,

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I wonder if different bottles of calmag require different general purpose amounts,..b/c my bottle says 5 ml per gallon. My calmag is from GH

Hydrowannabe said:

I wonder if different bottles of calmag require different general purpose amounts,..b/c my bottle says 5 ml per gallon. My calmag is from GH

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Yes the GH is not quite as concentrated as Bontacare. 3ml is not that bad of the GH. My bad. RO water or not the medium you are using contains everything a plant needs for at least a few weeks.The pH of your water will buffer to the mediums pH. I wouldn't be too worried about 5.5 pH in a soil grow. Continued use of pH Up can cause some headaches in long run.

Hydrowannabe said:

information: the clone is mango puff. It is 6 days old from transplant. I’m using roots organic original soil. I’m using r/o water with added cal mag and a little superthrive. Always ph’d to about 6.5. The clone has been under t5’s for 6 days and then The clone had showing first signs of new top growth so I figured it would be fine placing it under my metal halide 400 Watts. You can cross out environmental factors..I have things dialed in pretty well there. From past experiences, if I don’t figure this out soon, it will only progress, hence why I’m getting butthurt about slightly clawed leaves etc. I’ve never had to use r/o water in the past b/c my water from my old house was fine (here, it is softened well water). I never ran into problems this early on. So I’m thinking it has to deal with my lack of experience with r/o water. I don’t know. Thanks for reading!

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Not a water expert but it doesn't make sense to me to ro water that has been run through a water softener. Your outside hose water lines are not or should not be water softener water because of the salts if you water outside grass and the salts in the water softener. If i make any sense. Might want to to tap into the line before it gets to the water softener or figure it out. Your water line comes into the house at one point follow the line figure it out. You said that you live in a new place that has well water. I would get on that pronto amigo.

Whats gunna happen is when your ro membrane gets old it gunna leak all that salty water softener water into your ro water reservoir. Might be leaking it now. Might be a good time to check your ppms of your well water of your soft water water and your ro water and see what they all are.

Your plant looks nice, it sounds like you have grown before and know what your doing. Yes the plant should be back under the t-5s and the slow growth may be from light shock if you dumped that 400 right on top of it and freaked it out.

Not a water expert but it doesnt make sense to me to ro water that has been run through a water softener. Your outside hose water lines are not or should not be water softner water because of the salts if you water outside grass and the salts in the water softener. If i make any sense. Might want to to tap into the line before it gets to the water softener or figure it out. Your water line comes into the house at one point follow the line figure it out. You said that you live in a new place that has well water. I would get on that pronto amigo.

I copied my first part so I can say I told you twice. Dont be r.o.ing soft water, water.

Stink Bug said:

Yes the GH is not quite as concentrated as Bontacare. 3ml is not that bad of the GH. My bad. RO water or not the medium you are using contains everything a plant needs for at least a few weeks.The pH of your water will buffer to the mediums pH. I wouldn't be too worried about 5.5 pH in a soil grow. Continued use of pH Up can cause some headaches in long run.

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Yea I’m just going to feed it ph’d r/o water. I did hear that quality potting mixes have ph buffer in it but idk, better safe than sorry inguess