qroox
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Using it for a couple of mj plants would find a purpose.4 plants ain't need anything commercially.
Dynagro is under-rated as fuck
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churchhaze
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This is what I do. I make 5 stock solutions (one for each macro salt, and one for the micros). Stock solutions allow you to add a precise amount of a given salt without having to use a scale to measure mass. The pictures of my bottles are laying around on the forums somewhere.
Yeah, I understand stock solutions and its a great way to grow, thats why im confused why someone would mix stock solutions and buy liquid nutes, I dont get that part.
churchhaze
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Found it. Just a note, the NPK values on the bottles are of the base salts, not the stock solutions themselves. I just have it on the bottles for a reference to myself. Everything else on the bottles is accurate. Sorry for the confusion. Also, I wouldn't copy my micro solution. The ratios of elements is good, but iron sulfate really doesn't work well in base solutions, even if by itself.
homebrewer
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Found it. Just a note, the NPK values on the bottles are of the base salts, not the stock solutions themselves. I just have it on the bottles for a reference to myself. Everything else on the bottles is accurate. Sorry for the confusion. Also, I wouldn't copy my micro solution. The ratios of elements is good, but iron sulfate really doesn't work well in base solutions, even if by itself.
Do you have any pictures of flowering plants near harvest? I like the idea of mixing your own and tailoring your own feeding program, I'm just curious about the results.
churchhaze
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I just have those pics I sent already at 30 something days into 12/12. I don't like to post pictures of plants publicly right now. You can be assured I'm not trying to sell anything though.
I can say that I've tried a lot of different combinations of those salts, and while none of them killed the plants, some formulas obviously did better than others. While some had strange deficiencies, other recipies turned out spectacular . Btw, I tried the hoagland formula the way I described and came to the conclusion that it was too high in calcium like you predicted.
Honestly though, you'd have the same problems experimenting with the 3 bottles from GH or AN for the first time.
I can say that I've tried a lot of different combinations of those salts, and while none of them killed the plants, some formulas obviously did better than others. While some had strange deficiencies, other recipies turned out spectacular . Btw, I tried the hoagland formula the way I described and came to the conclusion that it was too high in calcium like you predicted.
Honestly though, you'd have the same problems experimenting with the 3 bottles from GH or AN for the first time.
qroox
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HB, do you think you can give me an element profile of micros optimum for mj ?
homebrewer
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I wouldn't treat MJ as if it's a plant that has special requirements. To that, micronutrients are used in trace amounts, it's not really an area that requires a lot of thought. If your food contains micros, it's enough to keep the plant happy.
inhaleindica
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Lol! Man you need to get out more and enjoy life. Not everyone has the luxury to grow without a tent or box. I have grown in a room and tent. I would prefer in a room but I don't have a choice and grow in a tent. I can tell you that the tent won't effect humidity at all from my experience. If I won't catch you growing in a tent then don't assume it is the tent causing the high humidity issue. Since you don't have that experience.
Your pussy must hurt so much to look around my profile to find that huh? I said "stretching is not always good" I was not being specific. A stretched Indica plant is not a good thing and could mean the grower is doing something wrong. If it was an Sativa then that is natural.
I like to water my plants when my soil is 70% dry in veg which is a day or 2 before wilting. It takes a lot of drying to actually wilt, which will indicate when I need to water next time.
..... Anything else?
Nizza
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i was doing coco sog runs but now switched over to a 3-plant soil run
i figured i could just use the dyna with the soil, i mean i know it works
but before i start adding it i wanted to make sure there wasn't an alternative that would allow me to re-plant into it
thanks for the input ben, i figure i'll use it all in the raised bed garden
a local sells cu yard of black gold for 30$, which i could add to it , for an N source? As flowering begins, maybe topdress with a combination of high P guano and some kelp or something?
i'm really looking forward to summer!
i tried using straight black gold once, it may have been the transplant or something but i think that the soil wasn't aerated enough
hopefully the coco will help aerate it, or if i cook the pile will the coco break down? I hear it is inert, but starts to become organic and break down after a few years (no source though)
i didn't know if since i have a crap load of coco in there, if it may be unnecessary to add perlite or something
all the input is great ben, i like what you have to say. I hear where you're coming from, but if you check out that rols no till thread you'll notice they do some great stuff there, with stuff like powdered coconut water and aloe vera applications. The EWC's are cool and they will use stuff thats "inorganic" as long as it's compatible with the soil food web they're using . I am no expert on this yet though, and plan to try it in the distant future. They know what they're talking about there and really have established a community in that thread, it's a really great read, and i have to disagree with you that its junk
for now though i just want to make sure the soil can get some use, i don't like to waste stuff, hence the use of my dyna-gro
i'm just trying to figure out if its worth it to go buy something that will make it so i can reuse the soil (40 ish gallons!)
i know it doesn't have to be all complicated , i get your points , still-- im just saying the results are there and they use the same soil over and over, and the results are better each run! this is what sparked my interest into deciding what to put into the soil, before i do it.
I went into the 15's from 4's about 2 weeks ago or something, so i figure they have 2-4 weeks more until they really need some nutes
a top dress in a week or just a start on low dose dyna feedings was gonna be my beginning.
Uncle Ben
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Years ago, more like decades, Cornell published chemical formulas to mix for hydro. That was before there were so many choices. Life's too short, I'd just buy something already put together and if you want to up one of the NPK's to tweak it, then do it. BTW you buy all the chemicals separately it will most likely cost you more in time and money than to get something off the shelf.
joe macclennan
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Totally in agreement with this. I'm a believer of the kiss method.
Uncle Ben
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Sure they do. When I was growing indoors I constructed a very cheap "room" consisting of a flexible lighting system, moveable reflecting panels that were made out of 1X4's, very large furniture cardboard panels, screws, staple gun, drill, can of white latex paint, dog chains and hooks, conduit, etc. Grew the hell out of pot for next to nothing. It was a non confining dynamic system of growing with no RH or heat pressures.
And for the record life is good. I'm doing what I've always wanted to do and have more money in the bank and investments than I can ever spend. Only challenge is getting my wife back on her feet so we can travel. Been a butler for 4 years due to her severe and complicated medical conditions.
"Life's a bitch and then you die."
Im not attacking you at all on this or your previous post but I seriously do not believe you are being serious or truthful. Buying a liquid nute is cheaper than mixing raw? Synthetic nutes dont change soil composition? Synthetic nutes are for convenience, thats it, not cost savings or because they produce a better end product.
There is absolutely no reason to use a bottled nute in soil. Soilless/hydro, great but not soil. I still dont understand why you, being a soil grower would use a bottled nute when you mix stock solutions of salts you can combine in any combo you want. On a side note my 4x4 tent cost $150 and took 10 minutes to assemble, how much time and money does it take to gather materials, build, paint a "good" box?
ScoobyDoobyDoo
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EXACTLY! So he buys nutes off the shelf because it's "convenient" but someone who buys a tent for the same reason is an idiot? Makes no sense. Like I stated earlier...I don't know any real farmers or nursery owners who buy store bought nutes off the shelf. They all mix their own or are 100% organic compost. You can get macros and micros for next to nothing in bulk quantities.
churchhaze
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Couldn't you say "life is too short" to just about anything? Where's the limit? If your kid wants to learn to fix cars, do you tell him to just go buy a new car since it's easier? If your nephew wants to learn computer programming, do you advise him to forget that and just buy and download all the software he needs? If life is too short, why do we waste our time reading? We could all just ask each other questions.
There are certain things that can only be learned through experience, and that experience gives insight you wouldn't have got otherwise. Maybe after someone tries it the way I do it, they'd still prefer a preprepared nutrient mix like jack's classic or hydro, but with new insight on the matter.
I definitely don't see buying your own salts as "more expensive". The only problem is buying the micro nutrients individually. I haven't used even a small fraction of my sodium molybdate or my manganese sulfate, etc. Even shelling out for that, I broke even a long time ago in terms of cost. I've gone through pounds of the potassium nitrate, calcium nitrate, and mono potassium phosphate so I know they've been put to good use over the time.
There are certain things that can only be learned through experience, and that experience gives insight you wouldn't have got otherwise. Maybe after someone tries it the way I do it, they'd still prefer a preprepared nutrient mix like jack's classic or hydro, but with new insight on the matter.
I definitely don't see buying your own salts as "more expensive". The only problem is buying the micro nutrients individually. I haven't used even a small fraction of my sodium molybdate or my manganese sulfate, etc. Even shelling out for that, I broke even a long time ago in terms of cost. I've gone through pounds of the potassium nitrate, calcium nitrate, and mono potassium phosphate so I know they've been put to good use over the time.
ScoobyDoobyDoo
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i'm calling bullshit on the nursery this guy says he has with imported vines from france and all that. still haven't seen a picture of anything but 3 tomatoes that looks like he got it of google. if he had a nursery and a greenhouse with all those plants going then he'd be very familiar with mixing his own salts and would realize just how much cheaper it really is.
lilroach
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I went to my local nursery awhile back to pick up a tub of Jack's and they told me it's all they use for their plants. I don't know what constitutes a large nursery, but this one was pretty big.
And I can tell you from working on fruit farms that they too use pre-mixed nutrients.
Personally, I have no issue with someone making their own nutes, but I like my ketchup made by Heinz as they probably make it better than I do.
joe macclennan
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lol, i'm a heinz man
Jacks isnt a store bought liquid nute, its a salt and not at all the same as a greenhouse owner who buys pallots of salts, mixes stock solutions, and then buys a store bought liquid nute. Its kinda like a cattle farmer buying steaks from the grocery store.
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