Dude Inviting Me to His Grow Op. Smells Like a Cop.

maylee

Member
Large bong rips helps eliminate cops. Make sure they are not doing fake hits. Still it is not 100% some cops may be over ambitious and break there own rules. And remember cops are trained to lie, like, "can you show all your stash and where you got it from and you wont have to go to jail I promise, you know as a cop I like to waste my time getting you to admit illegal stuff to entertain myself, I mean I never ever arrest anybody, I and my partners spend hours convincing suspects I am there friend, when I count your 20 pot plants I'll count a few twigs as plants too so you can be in with the big guys:)"
It could be an informant which do not have to follow any rules even though they signed a ton of papers saying they would. Informants are people that are in trouble like just got recently busted, unaccounted for time (time they were in the pokey). They are looking to get themselves out of a big jam by turning someone else in. Cops do this ALL THE TIME.
Maybe its a find your grow so we can rob you. Maybe the guy is just stupid. But your gut says something is up and it is probably right.
 

Sr. Verde

Well-Known Member
He's either a cop or an idiot....


Either way you should stay far away :lol:

I think at least, if you are growing yourself.
 

Derple

Well-Known Member
probably some dumb 15 year old trying to act big and tough, or a cop. that would be my hypothesis :)
 

PappaBear

New Member
Some dude I meet at the Hydro store invited me to his grow op. Just like that...talking about plants and then BOOM! mother f**ker starts talkin business. Then whips outa camera and shows me pics of his grow. Sounds like a setup...but straight up like wtf...who does that?? a cop, thats who. But why? im not a big fish in the sea, just a small time dude for all he knows.

what u all think about this? LEGIT? DANGEROUS? or NEUTRAL:??
I would go, especially since i keep a piece in my pocket. If he is inviting you to his grow he might need help. COPS cant keep grow houses. It would get leaked so fast. Only a retard would be worried about the cops using their grow to bust you! Im not calling you a retard unless you dont pursue this situation. If you are worried, I will go with you. IM SERIOUS! PM me if you catch pussy.
 

RoloTomassi

Active Member
This is a weird thread. ...anyway... I guess it depends where you live, I mean if a guy was legally (as far as the state is concerned) growing in a place like CA then I can see certain types of people doing that, even if it's not wise. OTOH If it's in some non-medical, non-decrim state then the guy would have to be crazy, dumb or up to something. In either case, I'd probably just blow him off, completely -- no harm can come from that. I wouldn't even talk to people in a hydro store :)
 

NoGutsGrower

Well-Known Member
Large bong rips helps eliminate cops. Make sure they are not doing fake hits. Still it is not 100% some cops may be over ambitious and break there own rules. And remember cops are trained to lie, like, "can you show all your stash and where you got it from and you wont have to go to jail I promise, you know as a cop I like to waste my time getting you to admit illegal stuff to entertain myself, I mean I never ever arrest anybody, I and my partners spend hours convincing suspects I am there friend, when I count your 20 pot plants I'll count a few twigs as plants too so you can be in with the big guys:)"
It could be an informant which do not have to follow any rules even though they signed a ton of papers saying they would. Informants are people that are in trouble like just got recently busted, unaccounted for time (time they were in the pokey). They are looking to get themselves out of a big jam by turning someone else in. Cops do this ALL THE TIME.
Maybe its a find your grow so we can rob you. Maybe the guy is just stupid. But your gut says something is up and it is probably right.
There is no way to tell a cop for sure! drug use or not!

Do Undercover Police Have to Identify Themselves?
"Entrapment" and Deception by Law Enforcement

Brief Description of the Myth
There is a persistent rumor that if you ask an undercover police officer or police informant if they're a cop, they are required to tell you. Based on this myth, many people believe they can safely conduct illegal transactions just by making sure to ask "Are you a cop?" first.

This idea is widespread and like many such myths, is most often transmitted by word of mouth. Examples can also easily be found on bulletin boards and newsgroups, in subculture publications, and in the media. The major variations of the myth include:

Police have to identify themselves if specifically asked whether they are law enforcement.

Example: "Are you scared that your friend or enemy is an undercover cop, just ask, they are required to tell you if they are reporting to law enforcement."1

Undercover officers aren't allowed to initiate a drug sale without pre-existing suspicion.2

Example: "An undercover cop comes up to you and asks, 'Do you want to buy some drugs?' You say, 'Yes', and they arrest you. THAT is entrapment, and will be thrown out."3

Undercover officers aren't allowed to ask for an illegal drug by name. Example: "He tells me that [undercover police] cannot ask you for drugs by name, or even common slang terms. They must call it something else, like 'fun stuff'."4
Entrapment
These types of myths are generally based on the belief that it is illegal for a police officer to entrap a citizen into committing a crime. Following this theory, many people believe that related actions by police, such as lying about their identity, would also be illegal or invalidate a prosecution. While a claim of "entrapment" by police can be used as a defense in a criminal case, it is both uncommon and rarely successful. Additionally, police entrapment itself is not illegal -- just potential cause for a not-guilty verdict.

Loosely defined, entrapment is a situation in which, if not for the actions of the police officer or police informant, the defendant would not have committed the crime. This defense is generally only successful in situations where law enforcement officers create a criminal plan, plant the idea of that plan into an otherwise innocent person's mind, and then instigate the plan for the purpose of prosecuting the suspect.

The mere presentation of an opportunity or request by an officer that an individual commit a crime does not qualify as entrapment. An officer may engage a citizen in conversation and ask to buy an illegal substance -- even if they have no reason to suspect the person of illegal activity.2 They may offer to sell an illegal substance and arrest the buyer after the sale.

Factors Considered
in an Entrapment Defense
The character of the defendant (whether the defendant was more "predisposed" to commit the crime than the ordinary citizen; e.g. having a record of illegal activity of this sort).
Who first suggested the criminal activity.
Whether the defendant engaged in the activity for profit.
Whether the defendant demonstrated reluctance (and not just "no thanks, well ok": more like repeatedly refusing and then eventually, months or years later, giving in).
The nature of the government's inducement (how much did they persuade, threaten, coerce, or harass).
They can go out of their way to help a person to commit a crime. What they can't do, is unduly persuade, threaten, coerce, or harass the person, such that a normally law-abiding citizen would participate in the unlawful action. Unfortunately, even in cases where the government does induce a crime, evidence that the defendant was "predisposed" to committing the crime is likely to undermine an entrapment defense. If the prosecution can show that the defendant agreed to participate too quickly or had a record of similar crimes in the past, the entrapment defense rarely succeeds.5 One example of such a case was U.S. v. Bogart (1986) in which Bogart agreed to sell presidential campaign posters to a police informant. When the informant arrived to purchase the posters, he informed Bogart that his only method of payment was with cocaine. Though Bogart initially refused, he eventually agreed because he needed the proceeds from the sale. He was arrested and his entrapment defense was denied based on his "predisposition" to commit the crime.6

Are Police Allowed to Lie?
The question of whether or not the police may lie during the course of their work goes hand in hand with the question of entrapment.

It is well accepted that deception is often "necessary" to catch those who break the law. There is no question that police officers are allowed to directly mislead and/or deceive others about their identity, their law enforcement status, their history, and just about anything else, without breaking the law or compromising their case.5 Conversely, it is illegal for an ordinary citizen to lie to the police in many jurisdictions.

Are Police Allowed to Break The Law?
Police officers working undercover have exceptions from certain criminal laws. For instance, law enforcement officers directly engaged in the enforcement of controlled substance laws are exempt from laws surrounding the purchase, possession, sales or use of illegal substances.7

This means that there's no way to identify an undercover officer based on their willingness or refusal to use an illegal drug. Reverse stings are common in the enforcement of controlled substance laws. In a reverse sting operation, a police officer sells drugs that have previously been confiscated and then arrest the buyer.

Possible Sources of the Myth
The myth that undercover police must admit to being police if asked has been around since at least the mid-1970s. In addition to the belief that entrapment is illegal, it may have roots in requirements that law enforcement identify themselves in some other situations.
Most on-duty police are required to wear both a uniform and a uniquely numbered badge identifying themselves as police.
Police must generally identify themselves before executing a search warrant or arresting someone.
Though it varies by jurisdiction, there are some situations in which off-duty police may be required to identify themselves, including if confronted by another police officer or before acting in their capacity as a police officer. The simple summary is that undercover police are given a great deal of latitude when investigating suspected criminals. They may lie, break controlled substance laws, ask to buy substances by name, offer drugs for sale and are not required to identify themselves during the course of their undercover investigations.
References #
Bob L. "Babylon and other important stuff." Posted to St. Louis Raves (Yahoo Groups). Jun 30, 1999. Retrieved Oct 2003 from groups.yahoo.com/group/stl-raves/message/3725
Kukura TV. "Undercover Investigations And The Entrapment Defense." Law Enforcement Bulletin. Apr 1993.
Frank M. "Any Other Brits Here?" Usenet.alt.support.girl-lovers. Jun 3, 2002.
Spyder. "Undercover Cops at Burning Man." Piss Clear. Aug 27, 2003; 19:2.
Greaney GM. "Crossing the Constitutional Line." Notre Dame Law Review. 1992; 67:745.
Lord KM. "Entrapment and Due Process." Florida State Univ. Law Review. 1998; 25(3):463.
21 U.S.C. § 885(d) of the U.S. Code.
 

jonblaze420

Well-Known Member
wut pappa bear said :clap:

you should have warned this dude not to do that. maybe he's medical? man who knows. some people really lack common sense though. maybe he's someone like that.
 

Michael Sparks

Active Member
what happened to people just showing something to someone that appreciates the same thing w/o suspicion, if you are scared or nervous ask yourself why, then move forward.. did you forget what it is like to be a kid? i would suggest to be cautious but don't lose out on an experience because you are weary
 

guy incognito

Well-Known Member
what happened to people just showing something to someone that appreciates the same thing w/o suspicion, if you are scared or nervous ask yourself why, then move forward.. did you forget what it is like to be a kid? i would suggest to be cautious but don't lose out on an experience because you are weary
They made it highly illegal to grow and will throw you in jail, that's what happened.
 

Beansly

RIU Bulldog
No grower invites stranger to his op.
If it turns out he's not a cop, you should rob him for being such an idiot.
If there weren't so many stupid people there would be no thievery in this world.
 

Paradoc5

Member
Jman-BEWARE...
And as mentioned, ask some of the folks at the store. At present,5-0 ARE goIng to the hydro shops, garden centers-looking for "pre-determined behaviour" which puts you on their list as a grower.
WHO would have pix of a grow, on their phone, showing them to someone they just met?-A COP..Thoze pix were from the last guy they took-down from this "MEET-N-GREET"- bust
OHYEAH, call me paranoid, but down here(inda sunshine state) it may as well be a CAPITAL OFFENSE to grow plants- 2 to 5 plants will getcha 4 to 6 years in prison..YES, for A FIRST-TIMER TOO!
"Cover your Nugz"
keep it to yourself. NOT doing so and TELLING ANYONE about your grow is a GUARANTEED way to relinquish one's freedom.

PEACE
 
Im a cultivator in california and i walk into collectives all the time and just bullshit with them and a lot of them invite me to peep their set up. This is not strange to me. I think a lot of you guys are too parinoid.

Just trust your gut feeling.

Plus what are they going to do to someone who is looking at another man's plants? ? ?
 
Some dude I meet at the Hydro store invited me to his grow op. Just like that...talking about plants and then BOOM! mother f**ker starts talkin business. Then whips outa camera and shows me pics of his grow. Sounds like a setup...but straight up like wtf...who does that?? a cop, thats who. But why? im not a big fish in the sea, just a small time dude for all he knows.

what u all think about this? LEGIT? DANGEROUS? or NEUTRAL:??

NEUTRAL= just an excited grower. what can they do for you looking at this guys plant. I dont kno of any law anywhere that prohibits one person from looking at anothers plants
 
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