Does Mitt Romney have a plan?

NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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canndo said:
like "cutting taxes and regulations" are a .... new idea?
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What Doer said...

Government cannot *create* jobs except for government jobs which are not real *jobs* in terms of the economy due to the fact that they take tax revenues and dole them out. Economically hiring government employees is the same as doling out welfare. (watch the libs misread this and go rabid...)

What the government can do is provide an environment that allows private companies and individuals create jobs and grow businesses.

Specifically what can happen right now that is not being addressed is

1. Tax stability. Businesses need to know what their tax rates and liabilities are going to be as far into the future as possible. We are almost into October and the tax rates are not even determined for next year. This is an act of criminal negligence of congress IMO.

2. Energy Policy: Barak Obama has turned his back on fossil fuels and sent the EPA on a crusade to force them out of the market. Saying we are going to have a car that gets twice the fuel mileage in 8 years is a policy statement not based in reality. Allowing the development of all fuel sources and free market competition will be the fastest way to energy independence. IMO, if the USA is serious about it we need to shift to a primarily natural gas economy as we have so much of it here in this country. Also, we need to keep relying on coal until we can get nuclear plants up and operational. Nuclear is the cleanest significant energy production possible right now with our technology.

3. Regulation reduction and streamlining: Regulations prevent the building of businesses. This is insidious because you do not see what is *NOT* happening. An empty lot that would have held a productive company remains an empty lot due to the costs of over-regulation. Nobody realizes the damage that the cost burden of excessive regulation causes to the economy and jobs.

4. Elimination of the minimum wage. The minimum wage is simply a tax tool for the government. There are plenty of reasons that people would and could work for less money than minimum wage. Specifically this helps the teenagers and elderly who dont need a main income and could do side jobs that would be created by more flexible rules regarding employment.

5. Tax reductions on business. We have the highest or 2nd highest taxes on companies in the world. This directly hurts competition. By reducing taxes on businesses you increase profits and those profits are invested in growth. The ways money leave a company are taxes, expenses, dividends, and Investment. If you lower taxes you increase the money spent on dividends (returns to the investors) and investment (purchasing of capital equipment, property, increasing employment, etc.)

Those are the types of actions that the government can do to help private business create jobs.
 
Doer

Doer

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Fungus Gnat said:
Yes, it has nothing to do with republican obstructionism. It's like some fat ass jumping on your back asking you why aren't you climbing the rope faster.
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You can call it obstructionist when the Dems controlled it all, for 2 years and still the Senate is blocked with Dems?

So confused, you are.
 
Doer

Doer

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Ernst said:
I understand we had QE1,QE2 and now QE-forever..

All of it is trying to have a job-less recovery by helping the top. The latest is about helping the mortgage industry and not helping the people afford homes to start with.
I always thought the economy gets better when workers have money to spend.

Still a job-less recovery means the new level of poverty is important for the top in some way.
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The big LIE is the Republicans are the fat cats, and that the fat cat Dems are for the people.
 
W

Wilksey

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Obama could have been a hero.

IF he had focused on reducing federal spending, and making it EASIER, not harder, for businesses to operate, I could forgive all his other faggoty-ass liberal bullshit.

He did the complete opposite and went full retard.

You NEVER go full retard.



Dude had his chance, and FAILED. MISERABLY.

Time to let somebody else have a shot, and sadly, all the dude has to do to be a "success" is not make things worse.

Say what you want about Romney, but at LEAST that motherfucker knows the difference between gross and net profit, AND what happens when they both go in the shitter.

Obama?

Not so much.
 
Doer

Doer

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What NLXSK1 said.

Govt cannot create wealth. It creates waste of the tax payer money. To social tinker, to pay restitution for slavery and limit freedom of expression, and much much more, if we let it. To bring down capitalism and replace it with the slow Soviet style death of a structured economy.To make a level play field for the 3rd world on the ashes of America. To put the axis of evil in charge.

If we let it.
 
Doer

Doer

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NLXSK1 said:
What Doer said...

Government cannot *create* jobs except for government jobs which are not real *jobs* in terms of the economy due to the fact that they take tax revenues and dole them out. Economically hiring government employees is the same as doling out welfare. (watch the libs misread this and go rabid...)

What the government can do is provide an environment that allows private companies and individuals create jobs and grow businesses.

Specifically what can happen right now that is not being addressed is

1. Tax stability. Businesses need to know what their tax rates and liabilities are going to be as far into the future as possible. We are almost into October and the tax rates are not even determined for next year. This is an act of criminal negligence of congress IMO.

2. Energy Policy: Barak Obama has turned his back on fossil fuels and sent the EPA on a crusade to force them out of the market. Saying we are going to have a car that gets twice the fuel mileage in 8 years is a policy statement not based in reality. Allowing the development of all fuel sources and free market competition will be the fastest way to energy independence. IMO, if the USA is serious about it we need to shift to a primarily natural gas economy as we have so much of it here in this country. Also, we need to keep relying on coal until we can get nuclear plants up and operational. Nuclear is the cleanest significant energy production possible right now with our technology.

3. Regulation reduction and streamlining: Regulations prevent the building of businesses. This is insidious because you do not see what is *NOT* happening. An empty lot that would have held a productive company remains an empty lot due to the costs of over-regulation. Nobody realizes the damage that the cost burden of excessive regulation causes to the economy and jobs.

4. Elimination of the minimum wage. The minimum wage is simply a tax tool for the government. There are plenty of reasons that people would and could work for less money than minimum wage. Specifically this helps the teenagers and elderly who dont need a main income and could do side jobs that would be created by more flexible rules regarding employment.

5. Tax reductions on business. We have the highest or 2nd highest taxes on companies in the world. This directly hurts competition. By reducing taxes on businesses you increase profits and those profits are invested in growth. The ways money leave a company are taxes, expenses, dividends, and Investment. If you lower taxes you increase the money spent on dividends (returns to the investors) and investment (purchasing of capital equipment, property, increasing employment, etc.)

Those are the types of actions that the government can do to help private business create jobs.
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This is what anyone with any sense will do for America. We know the Dear Leader is making some clueless decisions unless he has an Anti-Capital agenda. That would make it even worse.


IAC, I'd feel better if I thought Obama was in charge and not the Lefty Witch, the un-named Harpie, not his wife, who rides his back and is his Handler for Jehad.
 
canndo

canndo

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NLXSK1 said:
What Doer said...

Government cannot *create* jobs except for government jobs which are not real *jobs* in terms of the economy due to the fact that they take tax revenues and dole them out. Economically hiring government employees is the same as doling out welfare. (watch the libs misread this and go rabid...)

Tell that to all the people who will lose their jobs as a result of sequester or the fiscal cliff we are headed toward. Or are you saying that defense contractors are welfarians as are all of the other industry that supports military bases, contractors, vendors, services and such.

What the government can do is provide an environment that allows private companies and individuals create jobs and grow businesses.

Specifically what can happen right now that is not being addressed is

1. Tax stability. Businesses need to know what their tax rates and liabilities are going to be as far into the future as possible. We are almost into October and the tax rates are not even determined for next year. This is an act of criminal negligence of congress IMO.

Businesses do not "need to know this", there are vaguaries in every area of business and in fact many businesses depend upon such things, the cost of grain, the price of flour, the cost of gasoline and other supplies is never a constant, so why should an uncertain tax situation stop anyone from producing what they produce? Lower tax rates do not create more business, demand and only demand does. "oh, I see I get a tax advantage for hiring another employee, even though the 15 workers I have now are making all of the widgets I sell, I'll just hire him anyway" Uncertainty of the tax rates is an excuse.


2. Energy Policy: Barak Obama has turned his back on fossil fuels and sent the EPA on a crusade to force them out of the market. Saying we are going to have a car that gets twice the fuel mileage in 8 years is a policy statement not based in reality. Allowing the development of all fuel sources and free market competition will be the fastest way to energy independence. IMO, if the USA is serious about it we need to shift to a primarily natural gas economy as we have so much of it here in this country. Also, we need to keep relying on coal until we can get nuclear plants up and operational. Nuclear is the cleanest significant energy production possible right now with our technology.

More oil is being produced during the Obama administration than the Bush administration - Currently our biggest export is gasoline. What is "unreal" about improving gas economy? I don't know if you have noticed but the fleet is already showing signs of greater fuel efficiency. We do not need to encourage coal until... anything. increased coal production creates few jobs.

3. Regulation reduction and streamlining: Regulations prevent the building of businesses. This is insidious because you do not see what is *NOT* happening. An empty lot that would have held a productive company remains an empty lot due to the costs of over-regulation. Nobody realizes the damage that the cost burden of excessive regulation causes to the economy and jobs.

The majority of jobs are created by small business. Small businesses are most inhibited not by federal regulations but by state and local regulations, something that no one on the federal level has any control over. It is always easy to complain about regulations but far tougher to actually give examples of how all of this rampant regulation is affecting business growth. Beyond that, the anti-regulators are willing to sacrifice clean air, water, land and safety to the imaginary quick creation of jobs. What you seem to be saying is that you are willing to allow big business to abuse citizens, the land, the water and the air in the false promise of more jobs.


4. Elimination of the minimum wage. The minimum wage is simply a tax tool for the government. There are plenty of reasons that people would and could work for less money than minimum wage. Specifically this helps the teenagers and elderly who dont need a main income and could do side jobs that would be created by more flexible rules regarding employment.

Minimum wage does help to shore up the income of folks who are not young or old or doing "side" jobs. So long as there is an abundance of workers and a lack of jobs the minimum wage is a wise idea. Furthermore, as I said in the last point, most states implement their own minimum wage and are not much influenced by Federal minimum wage laws. What you seem to mean by "flexible rules regarding employment" is to allow big business to abuse it's workers.


5. Tax reductions on business. We have the highest or 2nd highest taxes on companies in the world. This directly hurts competition. By reducing taxes on businesses you increase profits and those profits are invested in growth. The ways money leave a company are taxes, expenses, dividends, and Investment. If you lower taxes you increase the money spent on dividends (returns to the investors) and investment (purchasing of capital equipment, property, increasing employment, etc.)

This sounds nice unless it is examined more closely. You put the cart before the horse. What drives the economy is demand. If you are willing to drive wages down (in the interest of creating more jobs) then you also drive down disposable income. When you drive disposable income down you diminish demand. We may have the highest tax on companies but we also find that many companies don't pay any and even get subsidies. Your claiming that increased profits are invested in growth but there is no growth without demand annd the extra money is simply returned to investors who may or may not reinvest and without demand, they will be less likely to do so.


Those are the types of actions that the government can do to help private business create jobs.
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Some of the things you claim will help are simply ways to give more reign to business - we tried that, it didn't work.
 
canndo

canndo

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Doer said:
You can call it obstructionist when the Dems controlled it all, for 2 years and still the Senate is blocked with Dems?

So confused, you are.
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No, they "controled it" for a couple of months. or are you aware of the need for a super majority to have anything done at all in congress recently.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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canndo said:
Some of the things you claim will help are simply ways to give more reign to business - we tried that, it didn't work.
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yes, yes that tired mantra... We tried that and it didnt seem to work for a few years so socialism is the only option...

Obama promised low unemployment and it has been higher ever since. He does not know how to cause job creation.

DEMAND is created by people with money to spend. The government is simply re-distributing funds not creating them. DEMAND is created when someone gets a job and can spend their paychecks. Real unemployment is 15%... That is at least 10% of the population that are takers and not producers right now. And giving them a one time stimulus payment will not create enough DEMAND to spur the economy...

Stop looking to the government for all the solutions and you might not continue to be disappointed....
 
Carne Seca

Carne Seca

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NLXSK1 said:
yes, yes that tired mantra... We tried that and it didnt seem to work for a few years so socialism is the only option...

Obama promised low unemployment and it has been higher ever since. He does not know how to cause job creation.

DEMAND is created by people with money to spend. The government is simply re-distributing funds not creating them. DEMAND is created when someone gets a job and can spend their paychecks. Real unemployment is 15%... That is at least 10% of the population that are takers and not producers right now. And giving them a one time stimulus payment will not create enough DEMAND to spur the economy...

Stop looking to the government for all the solutions and you might not continue to be disappointed....
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Translation: la la la I can't hear you. I have talking points to get through. la la la la

 
canndo

canndo

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NLXSK1 said:
yes, yes that tired mantra... We tried that and it didnt seem to work for a few years so socialism is the only option...

Obama promised low unemployment and it has been higher ever since. He does not know how to cause job creation.

DEMAND is created by people with money to spend. The government is simply re-distributing funds not creating them. DEMAND is created when someone gets a job and can spend their paychecks. Real unemployment is 15%... That is at least 10% of the population that are takers and not producers right now. And giving them a one time stimulus payment will not create enough DEMAND to spur the economy...

Stop looking to the government for all the solutions and you might not continue to be disappointed....
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Typical polar argument - it's either all capitalism or all communism, there can be no middle ground. The truth is that we didn't try it for "a few years" but for more than 8 - plenty of time to determine that lower taxes and fewer regulations tends to fuck things up so badly that no one can fix it, and they really can't fix it with even more of the same.

lower taxes screwed up not only the economy but the debt and deficit but you want to make taxes even lower - that makes no sense at all.

Obama promised.... Yeah, daddy promised he would take us all out for frozen yogurt but he didn't get home from work in time so - he broke his promise, he lied.

We were shedding hundreds of thousands of jobs a month, but you folks forget all of that.

demand is indeed created by people with money to spend, that demand worked quite well during the Clinton administration - you remember, when taxes were much higher than they are now.

Funny, on the one hand you are blaming Obama for there being so few jobs and on the other you are advising us not to look to government for the solutions. You don't get to have it both ways.
 
kelly4

kelly4

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canndo said:
Obama promised.... Yeah, daddy promised he would take us all out for frozen yogurt but he didn't get home from work in time so - he broke his promise, he lied.
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Except, daddy never intended to take us for yogurt in the first place. Daddy told us what we wanted to hear so that we would help him get a promotion. Now that dad got that promotion, he doesn't come home at all. No yogurt...ever!
 
canndo

canndo

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kelly4 said:
Except, daddy never intended to take us for yogurt in the first place. Daddy told us what we wanted to hear so that we would help him get a promotion. Now that dad got that promotion, he doesn't come home at all. No yogurt...ever!
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You honstly believe that Obama didn't want to get unemployment down? Are you serious? that would have ensured his re-election. I remind you that the other guy, you remember him and his wannabe running mate - they didn't even see a problem with the economy.
 
kelly4

kelly4

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canndo said:
You honstly believe that Obama didn't want to get unemployment down? Are you serious? that would have ensured his re-election. I remind you that the other guy, you remember him and his wannabe running mate - they didn't even see a problem with the economy.
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There was more than two people running, I remind you...
 
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