Does Hydro yeild more than soil?,,, if so how much
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Budget Buds
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yeah if your system is tuned, hard to say exactly
AlphaPhase
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I would say if you are good, I mean really good, at growing in soil, with a much longer veg time, you can achieve the same yield or very close, using synthetics. In the same growing time frame, hydro will out yield soil 11/10 times
Deadlytalon2014
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Hydroponics grow at about a 50% increased rate, They don't actually in terms provide "Bigger" yields, They just provide bigger yields faster, Basically this means in 2 weeks of Veg in a Hydro system, your plants will be 50% further along then 2 weeks of veg in a soil system. So, 9 weeks of flowering in hydro, would be comparable to 13.5 weeks of flowering in soil.
1 Week in Hydro = 1.5 Weeks in Soil
5 Weeks in Hydro = 7.5 Weeks in Soil
10 Weeks in Hydro = 15 Weeks in Soil
etc etc
since1991
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I dont know if that is exactly set in stone but a properly ran hydroponics system will out veg a soil/handwatered set up with all other factors being equal. Thats in my experience anyways. I ran nft and aero systems back in the day and my buddies would be amazed at how much faster in veg i was compared to there soilless peat based mix grows were. Coco is close and so is rockwool slab/drip setups. Faster for me than soil or peat base mixes but still doesnt touch a properly dialed dwc, aero, nft, or other water/solution based hydroponics systems. All else being equal the final tally on yields were about the same though.
MrStickyScissors
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I do really well in soil. I can pull close to 2lbs per 1k SE. I'm switching to DE and SOG I'm going to aim for 7 pounds off 3 DE's
Deadlytalon2014
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Ya like I was saying, just yields faster rather then bigger. The good point being you will get bigger yields faster, the bad point being it is a lot harder to keep control of a hydro system then a soil system. So there is more risk to the faster growth.
since1991
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Yeah the real finicky systems like aero and whatnot can get wonky real quick if your not on top of it. I gave up on nft dwc and aero systems years ago. I had them dialed eventually but man if a pump broke or temps, ph or whatever got crazy shit went downhill in a hurry. I was chained to my spot basically. Everytime i tried to leave i was so worried something would fuk up. I switched to coco drip systems long ago and its a way more forgiving system to grow cannabis in. Easy too especially if you dont recover the runoff and just leave it open. I can actually go up north for a weekend or whatever. Come back and my garden is just chugging along. Sweet.
Carolina Dream'n
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Bigger plants will only yield more if you have room for it in the flower room. Overcrowding will actually decrease yields. You could achieve the same yield in less time, using less power doing hydro.
since1991
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If you veg in the same room you flower in with the same plants same everything except your using a hydroponics system like dwc or aero you will yield the same or maybe SLIGHTLY more but you will cut weeks off your veg time to get there. At least in my experience. Hydroponics is a way to get to the harvest faster. If you veg in seperate rooms and more of a perpetual setup with full blown hydro systems for all rooms it really speeds or ramps up the calender dates and timings in your veg room. Which timing is everything in perpetual. Especially if your more of a bigger plant grower.
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since1991
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Them slow ass vegging indicas (weve all grown them) are really nice and get bigger quicker in a water working hydro system like nft, dwc, or aero. With them fast as hell sativa dominants you better be prepared and think steps ahead or she will get all spider monkey on your ass. Lol
Alaric
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Well said
Question about DE lights-----was reading about them-----said not intended for indoors because of heat (which they need to run hot).
Think you mentioned you use them? If so, has that been a problem for you?
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Carolina Dream'n
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DE are great for indoor. I have used them with 8 ft ceilings on 1000w mode with flood tables about 6 inches off the ground. Drain to waste rockwool or promix.Well said
Question about DE lights-----was reading about them-----said not intended for indoors because of heat (which they need to run hot).
Think you mentioned you use them? If so, has that been a problem for you?
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They are definitely more hot than a normal 1000, but nothing than can't be controlled with 6,000 btu of AC per light.
You can spread them out over a larger space and have the same penetration as SE with less power usage. (3 1000w SE covering a
4x12 area, or 2 1000w DE covering a 4x12 area) yields should be about the same.
Or you can space them like SE and get superior penetration, larger colas and more yields per light than SE. (3 1000w SE over 4x12, yields 6 lbs. 3 1000w DE over 4x12, yields 9 lbs).
Hope this helps.
Alaric
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Great info from an actual user! I think that info should be a sticky.
Are you saying they can't / shouldn't be air cooled and the room cooled by air conditioning?
Thanks much,
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Alienwidow
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I just got back from a grow where the guys running huge pots and regular hps bulbs with xxxl hoods. Pulling 3 lbs a plant with one light. Hes in soilless. Pretty mind blowing stuff, he trains the hell out of them though. Each light has a plant football stadium under it. The plant is trained to look like a football stadium. Super cool.
Carolina Dream'n
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There are air cooled DE hoods out there. The air doesn't run across the bulb, but in a chamber above the bulb to catch radiant heat. Not my style. I haven't air cooled since 2010.
And yes I recommend air conditioned sealed rooms for all grows. Fresh air only gives you a certain amount of control.
since1991
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I think that air cooled over the aluminum only hood for double ended lamps by sunlight supply is a total gimmick. That company knows de is a real game changer and they make most of there money off several models of air cooled reflectors. Double ended used correctly affects thier bottom line. These lamps have been around for a few years now in professional greenhouses all over the world. Relatively recently they have been showing up in indoor
growrooms thanks to companys like Gavita. They are not meant to be cooled. You cool the room not the lamp. Mini splits and open double ended lamps go together like peanut butter and jelly. Air cooled hoods are 10 years ago. But still serve a purpose for all these new growers with tents and small closets with just one or two lamps. For bigger growers with more than a couple lamps....just cool the room. A multiple lamps setup will need ac anyways. Air cooled lets u use less ac but there is a tradeoff. Glass sucks period! And all that ducting and hot ass inline fans are a pain in the ass. If your running multiple lamps you got the coin to pay for air conditioning the whole room anyways. Thats my opinion.
growrooms thanks to companys like Gavita. They are not meant to be cooled. You cool the room not the lamp. Mini splits and open double ended lamps go together like peanut butter and jelly. Air cooled hoods are 10 years ago. But still serve a purpose for all these new growers with tents and small closets with just one or two lamps. For bigger growers with more than a couple lamps....just cool the room. A multiple lamps setup will need ac anyways. Air cooled lets u use less ac but there is a tradeoff. Glass sucks period! And all that ducting and hot ass inline fans are a pain in the ass. If your running multiple lamps you got the coin to pay for air conditioning the whole room anyways. Thats my opinion.
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Alaric
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I agree about the pain in the arse thing for ducting and glass-----with glass about a 2" reduction of light intensity (FCs).
I've run 6K flowering and had to air cool-----mega ac not an option.
I didn't know the DEs had been around that long----(something everyday).
Yea, from what I read, they're not meant to be air cooled.
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since1991
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But sometimes you got to do what you do and believe me ive been there before. Sometimes aircooled is the way to go in a pinch and ac is a no go. This has alot to do with where you live. In michigan i used to get away with venting the room and cooling my lights in the months of november thru mid/late april. Hell even now that iam running sealed i shut off that money pit split and suck cool winter air into my room with a blower and thermostat. Saves money and does the same thing. Ridiculous to run ac in february where i live. And some splits dont like working that cold outside anyways.
The only real ac units that dont leak pot smell to the outside world are mini splits. Unless shakers and portables are modified and thats iffy. And mini splits are just outright expensive initially. Its really a catch 22 unless you got the duckets to say fukit and spend that coin.
The only real ac units that dont leak pot smell to the outside world are mini splits. Unless shakers and portables are modified and thats iffy. And mini splits are just outright expensive initially. Its really a catch 22 unless you got the duckets to say fukit and spend that coin.
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