Does anyone want to receive Spiritual Enlightenment?

Beefbisquit said:

You would have to prove to me with 100% certainty, that your intuition is accurate 100% of the time.

You are unable to do this, so your intuition is not 100% accurate, therefore it's not the truth as 'the truth' is true, all the time.

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You know what, I'm gonna take a good piece of wisdom from Heisenberg "if we do not evolve our certainties they will become prejudices or superstitions", and you make a good point, the Truth is always true, our Intuition is only an attempt to find that Truth, and as history proves time and time again, it can be wrong. I just want to make a point though, you mentioned earlier that what you see is just photons of light hitting your receptors and signaling the brain, now I agree completely, that is completely Intuitive, but you must have perceived this information at some point, you must have determined that this information was correct, but you did not have to go through the entire book of physics in order to confirm that fact, you did not have to reason for hours in order to confirm that fact, you were able to confirm that fact simply by Intuition, you perceived the Truth directly, because it makes absolute sense (Intuition)

Padawanbater2 said:

I'm interested, how am I to receive this spiritual enlightenment?

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Just ask Jesus to come into your life. It's easy.

cochroach said:

Just ask Jesus to come into your life. It's easy.

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If it is that easy for you then I respect that to the fullest.

eye exaggerate said:

...just read a few posts here re: intuition. Something done intuitively is something that is natural to a person. For example: someone who excels in something completely naturally is said to do so intuitively.

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Any athlete knows the importance of maintaining Presence, to be completely Aware of the Present Moment, to let go of anything else and just be right here, right now. But there are many different definitions of Intuition and I must digress from these "instinctive" meanings of Intuition. I once saw a bull charge a dog, the dog buried his face in the ground and covered its eyes, as if to say if I can't see it it's not happening, you could still see every muscle in the dogs body tense up bracing for impact bc it obviously knew that it was still happening, it was bracing for impact, luckily the farmer had some real serious balls and ran over scooped the dog up and got out of there. This is instinct, the direct knowing of reality but not what I am talking about when I say "Intuition". If a car was speeding towards you it would be a natural reaction to move out of the way, that is instinct, and you are confusing this with Intuition.

When anyone tries to tell me they have the truth, or they are certain of their beliefs... it merely defines their desperation that there beliefs be true regardless of the fact that they may not be. Fear is the cause, and pretending to know is the effect. Nothing we can say or do will ever be able to make them think past their own egotistical ideas, they are set and unwavering, unmoving... which i think is very unwise. Because everything must change, that is the law of the universe, everything changes, nothing stays the same... accept for those who are too scared to think about things in a different way, to think of things in a different light or a different perspective. If you have no doubt... you've lost yourself to the lie of certainty, and nothing can save you from that but yourself.

My intentions are not to offend, merely to help understand the self.

My mother is a dog trainer, she is very keen in the pschology of dogs, she understands them completely. She made a very good point awhile ago, dogs are not very keen like cats are, cats are perhaps the most keen of any animal, cats and dogs represent two different parts of the human psyche, the dog is completely controlled by its environment, whereas the cat is in complete controll of its environment. A human being is half controlled by their environment, and half in control of their environment.

Zaehet Strife said:

When anyone tries to tell me they have the truth, or they are certain of their beliefs... it merely defines their desperation that there beliefs be true regardless of the fact that they may not be. Fear is the cause, and pretending to know is the effect. Nothing we can say or do will ever be able to make them think past their own egotistical ideas, they are set and unwavering, unmoving... which i think is very unwise. Because everything must change, that is the law of the universe, everything changes, nothing stays the same... accept for those who are too scared to think about things in a different way, to think of things in a different light or a different perspective. If you have no doubt... you've lost yourself to the lie of certainty, and nothing can save you from that but yourself.

My intentions are not to offend, merely to help understand the self.

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I understand your postition completely Zaehet, and your opinions are always welcome here bc I can see that you are a very intelligent person, Fear is the cause, and pretending to know is the effect, that is an insight of Genius, please do not look at my ideas as egotistical, I know that is a natural response but I am open to change, as I have already displayed from the wisdom of Heisenberg, Intuition is not always correct, lets take and example, the sun rises in the morning and sets in the night, is this absolutely true, even though this is what Intuition tells us, no. It is only true to an observer on the face of the Earth, it is completely relative. It is very unwise to assume that you are absolutely correct, and I am humbled by that statement, you have just defeated me with your intelligence.

"If you have no doubt, you've lost yourself to the lie of certainty" Genius

I'm not a genius, im a simple 27 year old man, living a simple life. I am living just above being poor, a waiter at applebees, trying my best to be happy just like everyone else. I just love to think, to learn, and to think about why i think about the things i do..... genius? Nah, just a normal man trying to make sense of an existence that doesn't really make any sense at all... just like everyone else in the world. The only difference between me and most other people, is that i don't pretend to have the meaning nor the answers.. i understand that i have to make it up myself if i want them.

I can create my own meaning, but if im honest with myself, i know... that i will never have the answers that i truly desire. But i try not to let that bum me out too much.


If this next sentence hits you like a brick, then you have a greater grasp on existence than most others, in my humble opinion;

"Who am I?........." "I am whoever i pretend to be..."

Zaehet Strife said:

I'm not a genius, im a simple 27 year old man, living a simple life. I am living just above being poor, a waiter at applebees, trying my best to be happy just like everyone else. I just love to think, to learn, and to think about why i think about the things i do..... genius? Nah, just a normal man trying to make sense of an existence that doesn't really make any sense at all... just like everyone else in the world. The only difference between me and most other people, is that i don't pretend to have the meaning nor the answers.. i understand that i have to make it up myself if i want them.

I can create my own meaning, but if im honest with myself, i know... that i will never have the answers that i truly desire. But i try not to let that bum me out too much.


If this next sentence hits you like a brick, then you have a greater grasp on existence than most others, in my humble opinion;

"Who am I?........." "I am whoever i pretend to be..."

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"There is great differecne between who I am and who the world perceives me to be" Enstein
I am a carpenter, I work on my own vehicles to save me money, I am not pretending to be anybody. I worked with an old man at a call center once, he made a very good observation, he said you know we are all actors, we are just acting in the play of life. But I am not pretending, I am simply observing, I am who I am, and I will be my own Self to the very end, no matter what the world tells me, I truly Love the world, I am not pretending I truly do, it took a lot of Light for me to realize that humanity is so Sacred that I would gladly give my life for her. My friend once told me in a drunken statement, we are all hiding, hiding from ourselves, we hide ourselves from the world, I said brother, take an example from the rock, Just Be, who cares, is it really that important, do not be so consumed by your self that you can not enjoy your life, that is true stupidity.

I would then ask you this...

How can we be anybody, unless we pretend to be them in the first place?

We can't be anybody, we can't be an individual, unless we pretend we are. Yes, it's just as real as anything else... yet, who are we??? We must make ourselves. And we make ourselves in every moment, of every day of our lives, and we do it because we pretend to be who we want ourselves to be... there is no other way around it.

Seriously Zaehet, I respect you completely, I do not mean any offense, you are a human being, that is all that matters to me.

Zaehet Strife said:

I would then ask you this...

How can we be anybody, unless we pretend to be them in the first place?

We can't be anybody, we can't be an individual, unless we pretend we are. Yes, it's just as real as anything else... yet, who we are??? We must make ourselves. And we make ourselves in every moment, of every day of our lives, and we do it because we pretend to be who we want ourselves to be... there is no other way around it.

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All I have to say is, who said you cannot be your Self, if the world can not accept you, then fuck the world.

Zaehet Strife said:

and we do it because we pretend to be who we want ourselves to be... there is no other way around it.

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Are you being who you want to be or are you being who the world wants you to be, just be your Self.

Who we are is merely the construct of who we want to be, which is all dependent on how we were raised, the society we grew up in and the environment we grew up in. Who we are is dependent on all of those factors, no one is exempt from that... so in order to be who we choose to be, we have to pretend we are that person.

There is no inherent "who we are". We must choose who we are, everyone of us on this planet. And in order to do that, we must pretend, to one extent or another, just exactly... who we want to be.......

Zaehet Strife said:

Who we are is merely the construct of who we want to be, which is all dependent on how we were raised, the society we grew up in and the environment we grew up in. Who we are is dependent on all of those factors, no one is exempt from that... so in order to be who we choose to be, we have to pretend we are that person.

There is no inherent "who we are". We must choose who we are, everyone of us on this planet. And in order to do that, we must pretend, to one extent or another, just exactly... who we want to be.......

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Zaehet that is a brilliant observation and I agree completely that our upbringing determines to a great extent who we are, no one is exempt from that, but I noticed a great counter-intuitive here, do we really have a choice, and if we do not have a choice, are we actually pretending, or are we just being ourselves. Do we actually pretend to be who we want to be, or do we just be who we are?

New Age United said:

You know what, I'm gonna take a good piece of wisdom from Heisenberg "if we do not evolve our certainties they will become prejudices or superstitions", and you make a good point, the Truth is always true, our Intuition is only an attempt to find that Truth, and as history proves time and time again, it can be wrong. I just want to make a point though, you mentioned earlier that what you see is just photons of light hitting your receptors and signaling the brain, now I agree completely, that is completely Intuitive, but you must have perceived this information at some point, you must have determined that this information was correct, but you did not have to go through the entire book of physics in order to confirm that fact, you did not have to reason for hours in order to confirm that fact, you were able to confirm that fact simply by Intuition, you perceived the Truth directly, because it makes absolute sense (Intuition)

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It's not intuition, it's called peer-reviewed science. There's no requirement for use of intuition here, just careful observation and experimentation.

Our intuition tells us that the earth is flat, and the stars revolve around us; it took careful observation and lots of time to map the paths of celestial bodies to determine we are not flat, and the stars do not revolve around us. No intuition required, much like experimentation with the eyes.

The scientific view of intuition is much like its view of anecdotal evidence. It can be an indication of where to begin study, or in the complete absence of direction, can offer a hint of where a theory could go. It can be useful in the beginning of the scientific method which is why the steps which filter out things like intuition and anecdotal evidence come later in the process. The problem is that intuition is highly prone to error and different perspectives can produce intuitive answers which contradict each other. Intuition can be very hard to resist and often times in science finding accurate answers means embracing counter-intuitive thinking. Intuition is not instinct or insight, and has about as much value to science as a paperweight or bookmark.

New Age United said:

Zaehet that is a brilliant observation and I agree completely that our upbringing determines to a great extent who we are, no one is exempt from that, but I noticed a great counter-intuitive here, do we really have a choice, and if we do not have a choice, are we actually pretending, or are we just being ourselves. Do we actually pretend to be who we want to be, or do we just be who we are?

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(other than biological diversity and mental retardation) Isn't who we are merely the sum of the free choices we make? We have gathered insight from everyone who we have ever been in contact with our entire lives from birth until the present time. We are a collection of the free choices we decide in retrospect to how other human animals act, what we have either been taught or deem ourselves which is right, and wrong... what we want to keep, or throw away... the ideas and behaviors that we barrow from others, or decide that we don't want a part of. Yet still, a substantial part of what makes us, us.. is how we were raised, the environment we grew up in and the society we were thrown into. The older we grow, the ideas and behaviors we choose to like most tend to stick with us, as the ideas and behaviors we don't like tend to fade away or get pushed aside. This will continue to happen until the day we die, as we continue to make ourselves every moment of every day.

We act, pretend, or make believe we are ourselves to give us a sense of uniqueness, of identity. But in essence all this really is, is an attempt to make ourselves. All of us do it.

I understand that there are some aspects about ourselves that we cannot change because of the way our brains have grown, and our genetic inheritance, but those can only go so far in an existence where our free choices do have the ability dictate who we are more powerfully than a biological difference... and yet who we are is still all tied into who we act like we are, who we pretend to be, or who we make ourselves believe we are.

All my opinion of course.

Beefbisquit said:

It's not intuition, it's called peer-reviewed science. There's no requirement for use of intuition here, just careful observation and experimentation.

Our intuition tells us that the earth is flat, and the stars revolve around us; it took careful observation and lots of time to map the paths of celestial bodies to determine we are not flat, and the stars do not revolve around us. No intuition required, much like experimentation with the eyes.

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I said very similar things earlier in this thread. Prepared to be ignored.

I chuckle when I read that he thinks general relativity is intuitive. It is IMO decidedly NOT intuitive, which is why it took someone with the genius of Einstein to break through. Even knowing all I do about relativity, it still is highly non-intuitive. Who would have thought that just by moving through space, we are also changing the speed of our personal clocks? NAU might believe it is intuitive to him NOW, but I would suspect had he not first gone through the process of LEARNING, that it would not be so intuitive. How about the fact that gravitation is really just a pseudo-force, much like centrifugal force, and not a primary force of nature? Black holes, a direct consequence of relativity, is so non-intuitive that many scientists doubted they could actually exist in nature until one was found. And now we find out that the entire universe is filled with them and virtually every galaxy has one at its center. Now if he can still say this is all intuitive, I will just say bullshit and put him on ignore.

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