cephalopod
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Michigan here, whats the name of your thread JH?
Deal is a Deal....
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Organicgold
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Half of my patients don't grow due to time and not sure they can get it right and the other half is fear of still getting caught growing with kids in the house.
Organicgold
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Ill have to check that show out. Your right though LEO's have no Idea what is legal with MMMP. I know a few cops and they were not even aware of P2P being Illegal?
cephalopod
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I agree with you about the fear mongering and am not surprised about your patients. Some people just aren't green thumbs, I understand about traveling for a job etc. and I agree they're could be a multitude of things that could prohibit some one from growing and I don't seek to discredit them, but what happens if you're the one being arrested? Will you still maintain a cavalier attitude?
cephalopod
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Or how about having your doors blown off it's hinges by armed thugs w/ guns and worst of all...badges.
Organicgold
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Thats why I made the comment b4 about "Poser Caregivers" I was not directing it to any one here. I hear it, I see it and read it every day. Bad meds,Prices,Attitudes,No meds and no call backs.
I make all my patients sign an aggrement and they can get out of it at anytime. All I ask is a 7 day notice b4 you change your CG.
Yes be smart people if you meet a CG ask questions and if they offer you free meds it's because they NEED your plant count to sell your overages to their friends...TRUST ME. Their are a alot of good CG that give freebies but not on the patients terms!
Organicgold
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Not so much..unless your in Oakland County...LOL
RawBudzski
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For marijuana? 
I am preety sure even with a warrent they are going to knock first. ^_^
Cops tend to try and obtain a little more info before they go kicking doors in over plants. Normally they would have to watch the residence for a while & obtain evidence such as dealing, alot of traffic in & out the house.. Alot of factors, is the state semi-legal? Could it be a possibility the offender has a card & the funds for a good lawyer? Cops do think twice before going crazy..unless they are cops from District of Colombia, DC
I am preety sure even with a warrent they are going to knock first. ^_^
Cops tend to try and obtain a little more info before they go kicking doors in over plants. Normally they would have to watch the residence for a while & obtain evidence such as dealing, alot of traffic in & out the house.. Alot of factors, is the state semi-legal? Could it be a possibility the offender has a card & the funds for a good lawyer? Cops do think twice before going crazy..unless they are cops from District of Colombia, DC
Buddy Ganga
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I'm a realist if that helps you understand what type of person I am.
I do understand that there is always a chance of being hassled by the law, but the daily conversation/fear or issue is removed by making sure what I am doing falls under the laws provided. Sure we hear about the assholes screwing with legit growers, since we are on this side of it all that's where our focus ends up.
I also have funds set aside just in case, just like I have always done with my household expenses.
No, I don't want to have to use those funds, but they are there if they are needed.
cephalopod
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I agree with you Buddy and my feelings probably relatively parallel yours, but I do worry about being lumped into a group of criminals and then have rely on someone to interpret the law fairly and justly.
RawBudzski
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Once a plant has no roots to sustain it, it is no longer considered a living mature plant.. So if LEO comes a knockin & you are over your Limit by a few.. Just cut a couple down @ the base.. Yes they can add the "weight" of the plants up & use that against you if they wanted but they could not count those plants in the total # of plants you are growing if you have any decent lawyer.
any bs story could explain that away, such as they were simply failures & you use all the premature dead runts for tea & edibles.
any bs story could explain that away, such as they were simply failures & you use all the premature dead runts for tea & edibles.
Buddy Ganga
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Really man ? Thats not fear mongering or the worst kind ?
How did armed thugs find out what I am doing, and why would the police be beating on my door ?
Wouldn't that lead right back to me bragging or running my mouth about what I'm doing ?
Other then my electric bill I'm one of the last people you would think was growing..
My patients are friends so they stop over when ever they feel like it to hang out and bullshit.
I do a grill party every month for friends and family and they show up for those too.
We don't run around advertising anything to anyone, so there is no spot light on them or myself.
cephalopod
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With all fairness, whats seems to be fine one day in Michigan, is deemed illegal the next day. No notice from the MCDH or anyone else and no time to allow for compliance. What if the courts decide only 12 plants to a room on Tuesday and then they bust someone on Thursday with that precedent? Bottom line is we're being worked against and it's best to be safe than sorry.
cephalopod
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That was directed toward organics post and it does happen to innocent people too. Granted it's not at the same frequency, but none the less... I'm not trying to be a fear monger or a victim of fear mongering, but the law has teeth and if you lose your medical defense, where will that leave you. Just follow the law and you should be ok, maybe not free from any pain or suffering, but free regardless of any legal hassle.
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Buddy Ganga
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I find that the majority of "caregivers" I read from around here are posers.
In my circle you have to prove you can grow quality meds consistently before anyone will co/sign you as a caregiver.
We actually back each other up. If one of their crops have trouble we step in with fresh meds. So we are not about to co/sign some meat puppet just back from HTG supply.
We all use the same lights, soil and nutes and just about all of our grows are set up the same.
We take being a caregiver very seriously. It's not about bragging rights or how many plants we can tell people we are able to have.
It's a responsibility.
CountGlochula
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you don't have to be "flashy" to get your door's knocked down, all it take's is a neighbor to walk by and smell you grow or your enjoying your med's.look up barry cooper cops kick in the door's all the time with very little evidence.this why they are going to put all of us patient's and caregiver's on a list,LEO say's they are wasting to much money "investigating" legal op's.so the list is their way of weeding through the tip's, if you can beleive that.i almost puked when i heard they were going to try this.
Gastanker
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lol. Growing 12 2.5 oz plants with a single light? I don't think so... 2.5 oz plants indoors are fairly large - I can fit a max of 4 of these plants under a 600w and a 600w bulb, ballast, aircooled hood ~$400. Double your initial costs and electrical costs and redo your math - electricity goes up drastically when running multiple lights.
And what dispensaries are paying $250 and ounce? Fuck let me in on that - every dispensary around me pays ~ $5/g (140 and ounce). They sell at $250 an ounce...
If you can grow ~ 2 lbs from 12 plants indoors off $600 worth of lighting and $200 of electricity in a short period of time... THEN GO FOR IT!!!
I really doubt you would be able to pull that off though.
And where to you live? California state law = 6 mature 12 immature. Pretty sure most other states are around this and state law > local law when it comes to plant counts (if you really dont wan't to get into trouble). So he's growing 6 plants on your script, prolly averaging an once a plant, so he's giving you 1/3 of his harvest which means he is likely just breaking even. I don't think I'd garden just to break even and give meds away, not when you consider the risks.
And what dispensaries are paying $250 and ounce? Fuck let me in on that - every dispensary around me pays ~ $5/g (140 and ounce). They sell at $250 an ounce...
If you can grow ~ 2 lbs from 12 plants indoors off $600 worth of lighting and $200 of electricity in a short period of time... THEN GO FOR IT!!!
I really doubt you would be able to pull that off though.
And where to you live? California state law = 6 mature 12 immature. Pretty sure most other states are around this and state law > local law when it comes to plant counts (if you really dont wan't to get into trouble). So he's growing 6 plants on your script, prolly averaging an once a plant, so he's giving you 1/3 of his harvest which means he is likely just breaking even. I don't think I'd garden just to break even and give meds away, not when you consider the risks.
cephalopod
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And it's sounds like you have a respectable model going, I for one am in an isolated, lower population area and am kinda of a lone wolf, but would like to be involved w/ a group like yourself. To the op I would have tried to work with you, but I believe that we're many miles apart.
Samwell Seed Well
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their is so much wrong with what you claim im not even going to say what, just that everything you siad if applied to me is the opposite, i can grow 2 pounds form 5 plants in3 gallon containers
and my state allows me 15 a card up to three cards worth till Plant limits max out, an Oz a plant is horrible, i grow for about $1.30-$2.00 a gram, at about .010 cents per Kilo watt an hr is cheap
move out of the MJ dark ages and join the fun
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