SmokyLungs
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Can't seem to find info on if it matters which strain u pick to be the male or female is one more dominant or are all f1s 50/50?
Cross breeding your own seeds question
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bluntmassa1
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Males are just harder to select females are simple which one do you like best? Males make a big difference but it's not as simple as which one smokes better.
dandyrandy
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There was a seedbank that sold male pollen.
GreenSanta
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You never know until later when you grow the offspring out. Some males will be more dominant than others, I think more often than not you see more of the mom in the offspring... Generally you are likely to get 25% of seeds have mostly dad's traits, 25% are going to be more like mom and 50% of them will be a mix of the mom and dad.
SmokyLungs
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Interesting because I've read threads where they say all f1 are 50,50 only producing 2 phenotypes but who knows I plan on crossing some gear to up the yield so should I pick the heavy yielding strain as the mom or dad?
I.G.Rowdit
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Unfortunately, the answer is that you don't know until you do it. Past history may be of some guidance but, in general, you simply don't know what will be dominant until you actually make the cross and raise the seedlings. Even then you may not know which parent contributed a particular characteristic. All you know is that combination of male and female produce a particular characteristic in some of the child population.
Because of this uncertainty it's quite common in plant breeding to try it both ways.
female A x male B and male A x female B.
male A x female B is referred to as the reciprocal cross of female A x male B.
Take a look at the Wikipedia article on Reciprocal cross for much more info.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reciprocal_cross
As Bluntmassa pointed out above, selecting a male of a dioecious species for a breeding program is a tricky situation. If you are breeding for say color or size you pick the most purple or smallest male and hope for the best. But if you are breeding for 'fire' how do you pick a male? Past history with a particular male is all you have but there is absolutely no guarantee that AxC will be anything like your favorite strain which is AxB simply because male A was used in both crosses.
Because of this uncertainty it's quite common in plant breeding to try it both ways.
female A x male B and male A x female B.
male A x female B is referred to as the reciprocal cross of female A x male B.
Take a look at the Wikipedia article on Reciprocal cross for much more info.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reciprocal_cross
As Bluntmassa pointed out above, selecting a male of a dioecious species for a breeding program is a tricky situation. If you are breeding for say color or size you pick the most purple or smallest male and hope for the best. But if you are breeding for 'fire' how do you pick a male? Past history with a particular male is all you have but there is absolutely no guarantee that AxC will be anything like your favorite strain which is AxB simply because male A was used in both crosses.
GroErr
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Trial and error, sometimes you hit the 4 leaf clover. Basically choosing only exceptional males and females should produce enough phenos to find a keeper or two, no shortcuts.
whitebb2727
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F1 is usually pretty uniform and the plants will be close to each other.
This is common practice in the agriculture industry. They can produce a uniform plant and if you save the seed the next generation will be all over the place.
It might vary how much of each parents traits they get but they will be uniform in appearance.
This is common practice in the agriculture industry. They can produce a uniform plant and if you save the seed the next generation will be all over the place.
It might vary how much of each parents traits they get but they will be uniform in appearance.
dabbindylan
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U can get glose to the same but genetics will always skew
whitebb2727
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Not by much with f1. I've seen it from growing everything from pot to corn to beans that are f1's.
TheChemist77
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i try to buy stabilized hybrid seeds whenever possible to avoid having to plant 10 seeeds to get 1 or 2 keepers.. ive seen lots of different phenio's in f1 seeds...i take time to back cross the best male n female out of every pack of f1's i buy..that way i know what the seeds will turn into...time consuming and tedious but worth it to me...
dabbindylan
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U is smart.
whitebb2727
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Ummm. F1 is stable.
This may not apply in the cannabis world but it does in the food seed world. The only way to sell a stable hybrid is either f1 or way on down the line like f7 and then they still won't be that uniform.
The reason they sell f1 seeds is because they will produce a consistent crop but you have to buy more because the next year they will be all over the place.
F1 is generally uniform. F2 is not.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/F1_hybrid
https://www.quora.com/In-plant-genetics-why-are-first-generation-hybrids-superior-to-their-subsequent-offspring
This may not apply in the cannabis world but it does in the food seed world. The only way to sell a stable hybrid is either f1 or way on down the line like f7 and then they still won't be that uniform.
The reason they sell f1 seeds is because they will produce a consistent crop but you have to buy more because the next year they will be all over the place.
F1 is generally uniform. F2 is not.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/F1_hybrid
https://www.quora.com/In-plant-genetics-why-are-first-generation-hybrids-superior-to-their-subsequent-offspring
There are almost as many theories on selecting males as there are articles on how to select a male.
Honestly, your only true bet is to cross it, grow out the kids and see how the male helped or hurt the strain. If you make several crosses with the same male and you get good kids, then you have a good male.
If you could grow out and smoke a male it would make selections so much easier. Unfortunately, the only true method is to smoke the progeny and see how it turned out.
I also agree with the above. F1 is generally uniform to a certain degree. You will get some that are like the mom and some that are like the dad. I do my selections in the f2 stage. You get a lot more variety and that is where you most likely will find your gems.
Honestly, your only true bet is to cross it, grow out the kids and see how the male helped or hurt the strain. If you make several crosses with the same male and you get good kids, then you have a good male.
If you could grow out and smoke a male it would make selections so much easier. Unfortunately, the only true method is to smoke the progeny and see how it turned out.
I also agree with the above. F1 is generally uniform to a certain degree. You will get some that are like the mom and some that are like the dad. I do my selections in the f2 stage. You get a lot more variety and that is where you most likely will find your gems.
SmokyLungs
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F2s? Doubt it u find more phenos in f2 if I remember correctly but the point off crossing strains at least for me is to bring the best of both strains evenly so wouldn't f1s be more logical ? Then cloning the keeper and back crossing it?
RM3
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Been breeding for years, you always find more phenos in F2's
SmokyLungs
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SmokyLungs
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My bad should a put a comma after doubt it because I am not looking for a gem in many phenos I'm looking for 50/50 my best bet would then be f1s correct?