WHODAT@THADOR
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It is a fine ass indeed!! I braved the hypothermic temperature's of Florida to return with it as a gift for my King....
Crisis in the Ukraine
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ThE sAtIvA hIgH
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anyway id love to go back to coal fire and wood burners its so much cheaper than gas , and you cant beat a roaring open fire in winter .
NLXSK1
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Only if Obama had a stroke and suddenly began acting like Regan...
Get serious... Obama will dither and talk about sanctions. Russia did a complete end around everyone. Newsflash... He doesnt need the Ukraine, nor the pipelines. He has already made a deal with China to trade the oil and/or gas. He doesnt need Europe. In fact, he is in a position to cut Europe off and sell the product to China.
What that means is that he owns the UN. He has veto power and he has enough economic incentives to sway the european countries to look the other way as it suits them. The Ukraine does not have a NATO membership so technically we are not required to protect them. Obama wont go it alone because he is a giant pussy and Putin knows that. The Chinese know that too. And so do the terrorists, etc. When Eric Holder is busy wasting justice department time looking into overseas beheadings it isnt causing ISIS any lost sleep.
Treaties?? Those can be blah blah'd away if the consequences are not dire.. And even if they are but long term. Putin is gong to get the Ukraine and I am betting China will succeed in it's territorial ambitions as well. ISIS will grow stronger and we may have another 9/11 incident this year. I am more concerned than I have been since 2001.
earnest_voice
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Were you concerned before 9/11 or like Bush did a day in September galvanize your support and open your eyes to a threat that had been present for decades?
And what are your fears re: ISIS in the US?
This right wing, agenda pushing, fear based, news reporting (read Fox) you listen too is is just that - right wing, agenda pushing and based in fear. Another 9/11 will only be possible with the support and direction of a state actor.
ttystikk
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Wrong. Flat wrong. Ukraine is as much of a tripwire now as Poland was during the Cold War.
Yes, the United States, United Kingdom, Ukraine and Russia are all signatory to the Budapest Memorandum;
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine
In other words, Putin is a thug who is trampling on the treaty written by his predecessor- and if we dither, he just gets bolder.
With nuclear weapons.
Frankly, I think Ukraine should have kept its nuclear force, in top condition- and mentioned to Putin that several dozen are always pointed at him, personally.
We let them twist, and America will have only the international pariah of Israel as a friend. Some friend...
UncleBuck
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i noticed you posted here and just had to make sure it was beyond stupid.
you did not disappoint.
i love the little flourish at the end, chicken little-esque.
NLXSK1
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Russia already has nukes.
What I am saying is that Europe cannot be swayed due to it's own economic interests.
Why cant we blame someone other than America for once?
ttystikk
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Yes, they do- so this needs to be dealt with on THEIR home soil, not some foreign land they think they'll get away with nuking.
Europe is actually taking the lead on this one. Ignore the self righteous spin of our news media, and you'll see America is hand wringing while Europe already has teeth in their sanctions.
No one is blaming America for Russia's invasion of its neighbor- a neighbor it signed a treaty never to attack... with us and the UK.
I still think (I have no knowledge, just an educated guess) that airbases are suddenly busy places in western Europe right now, lots of military personnel disappearing into their bases under media blackout orders.
WHODAT@THADOR
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Sanction's? Putin's beatin off to the sound off those sanction's....Obama's not gonna commit troops anywhere American soldier's have been committed to Afghan/Iraq for the last 12/13 Yrs...It would be political suicide for the Democractic party to start another war, the same kind of suicide that Boehner/Cruz have brought on themselves....Realistically there only a handful of European nation's that could Economically withstand a conflict with Russia and would maybe even relish in the jump start that war give's them? But, truth be told lack the armament's and military personal that Russia have. I mean what are these nation's gonna do, take the same citizen's who have never seen gun's and that they have forbid to own them; draft them up with 8 wk BCT(basic combat training) and say here ya go drive those commie bastard's home?
ttystikk
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Stealth aircraft have changed the game completely since Desert Storm; we would not need or want to put our troops on the ground. Let the Ukrainians handle occupation of their own country, we just provide air support with smart munitions that were specifically built to sniff out and destroy Russian armor.
A couple of 'highway of death' nights and no Russian will want to stand within 20 metres of a Russian armored vehicle, let alone drive one into the fight!
A couple of 'highway of death' nights and no Russian will want to stand within 20 metres of a Russian armored vehicle, let alone drive one into the fight!
tokingtiger
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we bomb our own city on 9/11 and allow foreigners to rape us on fake wars and you worry about what Russia is doing on Russia's border? We have crisis actors pretending to commit mass murders to take our guns, to take our constitutional rights, we have police that make the Castapo look like girl scouts and your worried that we should enter into ANOTHER fake war? just go ba ba and lay down little sheeple.. you should not think until you Wake Up.
WHODAT@THADOR
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Yes and No, It's a little harder to hide armored element's in a Desert and you can be assured that a lot of the strike's were painted....Laser Guided....So, before it would become practical you would need to have that technology in the hand's of whatever opposition force, then get them close enough to the column's ...If not Stealth or not the Jet's would have to fly @ a pretty vulnerable altitude.....Plenty vulnerable to the technology Russia's armies posses.
ttystikk
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1. Stealth aircraft by their very nature are all but impossible to target, especially with ground based systems.Yes and No, It's a little harder to hide armored element's in a Desert and you can be assured that a lot of the strike's were painted....Laser Guided....So, before it would become practical you would need to have that technology in the hand's of whatever opposition force, then get them close enough to the column's ...If not Stealth or not the Jet's would have to fly @ a pretty vulnerable altitude.....Plenty vulnerable to the technology Russia's armies posses.
2. You clearly don't know shit about the military capabilities of either side in this conflict, so kindly stop making assumptions other people might believe.
The USAF is very, very capable of dealing with armored vehicles in the dark, with or without laser spotlighting.
3. A tank that's hiding from air power is a tank that's not in the fight; so that's an acceptable outcome as well.
ttystikk
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This is the war our military was built to fight, since the days of staring at Soviet T-72 tanks across the Iron curtain.
On the open plains of eastern Europe and western Russia (including much of Ukraine), our military won't have much trouble making tinfoil out of Russian armor.
On the open plains of eastern Europe and western Russia (including much of Ukraine), our military won't have much trouble making tinfoil out of Russian armor.
earnest_voice
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Which incarnation of stealth are you talking about?
earnest_voice
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Not any more, the US will get killed going head to head with Russia.
WHODAT@THADOR
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Ok....LMFAO....I fought in the US Army and am quite aware of it's capabilities to take over Europe if we wanted to.....LOL.....You want a copy of my DD214 to prove it as well? 11B Bang Bang Bang.......I was gonna type up a whole bunch a shit before I figured out it's not worth arguing with somebody that's never had to coordinate a Air strike or call in FA and watch the pure beauty of what happen's when a full battery of Howitzer's Fire for effect and rain's nothing but all mighty American Death down ...It's a beautiful thing.And I thought me and you was gonna get to be buddie's
ttystikk
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Highly sophisticated phased array radars do have a snowball's chance of shooting a stealth aircraft WITH ITS BOMB BAY OPEN, and not before. Hint; you're not finding that radar on a thirty year old self propelled anti aircraft batteries!
The first iteration of stealth aircraft are older than most people think; both the Rockwell B-1 And the SR-71 were beneficiaries of stealth technology. 'Older' designs like the F-117 are still amongst the darkest in the business, since the new designs have focused more on performance than outright stealth.
WHODAT@THADOR
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What I truly love is how nobody give's 2 fuck's about Assad....His AF conduct's regular strike's against his population and directly target's school children, But like other's say we are more worried about trying to get Ukraine's allegiance's to the EU verses who the natural ally should be