Congress Moves To Stop DEA Funding To Attack Medical Marijuana Patients & Care Givers

Mr Neutron said:

Hmmmmmmmm...... what would they know about it?

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MellowFarmer said:

Why don't you rewatch the Norway clip and tell us what is so scary?

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MellowFarmer said:

Hmmmm... I can see where some might lend that opinion but it's not a fair assumption. I didn't start out running businesses, I started as a cashier at Micky D's making $4.25 and I used the theories from the classroom and integrated them with my hands on experience to great success when I worked on up to Decision Maker. I learned simple theories like Happy Workers make Productive workers and a good Manager is like a good Coach who seeks out the teams individual strenghts and weaknesses then blends them back together to make it run smoothly. I learned the pyschology of motivating staff members. I also learned about Overhead, what Non Profits are, Law and other needless odds and ends? I find if funny that these theories are so foriegn to those in the Business Real World that I have to prove them to use them which is why I can say I know my theories work, I've had to prove them to those too arrogant to get business training before joining the Business Real World.

Every one I know is living Day to Day. So are most businesses. They will stay in business for years in a bad economy working tirelessly just to stay out of the red and won't quit until they can't dig out of it. A lot of them.

What you said about Non Profits is Hogwash. CNN just aired a story on some Disabled Vets one getting in 56 Mil and spending none but it is on CNN because it is News, not an every day occurance.

Ask the residents of Norway, Sweden, Holland, New Zealand, Canada etc how much of a fallacy Socialism is.

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InCognition said:

A real business-blooded person doesn't need a classroom to teach them business, that's all I'm saying. Sure it can help, but it's not efficient in the least.

The thing I said about non-profits is only hogwash if you're regarding subsidized non-profits. They don't need to stay a float because no matter how deep in the red they are, they will continue to run off the backs of tax payers... which is just another nail in the coffin for socialism. Some system that is...

You can talk about all the currently standing socialistic countries you want, and it won't change the fact that plenty of socialistic nations have imploded, due to their socialistic procedures. Beyond that, don't even get me started on the current socialistic nations that blatantly violate human rights to some degree or another, in the name of "socialism". Until socialism can accomplish something without violating rights, it will always be a fallacy, no matter how much you want to believe it's not a fallacy.

If you are oblivious as to how socialism violates human rights, well that just further proves my point, that socialists are blind people walking, with their eyes wide open.

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UncleBuck said:

is it too much for me to ask you to support your claims with evidence?

or do you not have any clear evidence?

c'mon, just give me some examples. so far everyone else i've asked has blanked me on the critical issue of actual evidence.

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Eugene Davidovich of the San Diego chapter of Americans for Safe Access (SD ASA) wrote this article

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After the feds wouldn't prosecute Padilla in federal court, San Diego District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis happily picked up the case

UncleBuck said:

you are aware that the policy of the administration is to target individuals NOT in compliance with state laws, right?

i mean, i'm just quoting the holder memo on that.[/QUOTE]


You can quote the Holder memo all you want, but everyone elese here knows it's a flat out lie. And the issue as stated by yourself above, does not have to include victims who were actually prosecuted by any U.S. Attorney General....if they are forced to close by the FEDERAL Government under the local jurisdiction of the STATE Attorney General, then they (the government) are guilty as charged. They are clearly targeting everyone whether state 'legal' or not!

Here's one from just this March 5th 2012 that says that even Colorado based Dispensaries that were LEGAL by the laws of the state, were threatened and forced to close by the federal government. Oh, and thanks for trying to refute a statement that doesn't even apply to your agrument- the more eyes that see all these attrocities the better!


U.S. Attorney in Colorado Says All State-Licensed Medical Marijuana Dispensaries Are Fair Game
Jacob Sullum | March 5, 2012

John Walsh, the U.S. attorney for Colorado, finally has clarified which medical marijuana providers in that state should worry about trouble with the feds: all of them. Two months ago Walsh told 23 dispensaries located within 1,000 feet of a school they had to close or face raids, forfeiture, and prosecution. At least some of those dispensaries were complying with Colorado law, which has a general rule against operating within 1,000 feet of a school but allows local governments to modify that restiction and grandfathers dispensaries that existed before the state started issuing licenses. So it was already clear that Walsh, contrary to Attorney General Holder's repeated assurances on this point, was not prepared to let state law determine whether a dispensary can operate without federal harassment. But when it turned out that one of those 23 dispensaries was near a school building that was not used for teaching, it was taken off the list. That decision fanned the hope that Walsh would stick to enforcing his 1,000-foot rule. Last week, A.P. reports, Walsh stomped on that hope (emphasis added):

U.S. Attorney John Walsh sent a letter Friday to a lawyer representing medical marijuana dispensaries, saying safe harbor doesn't exist for such shops because marijuana remains illegal under federal law....

Walsh said in the new letter that it is at his office's discretion to take enforcement action against any and all medicinal marijuana dispensaries....

[Walsh said] advising clients that there is a safe harbor is "incorrect and untruthful, and would mislead them, factually and legally."

Jeff Dorschner, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office, said there are other factors that can close down shops like unlawful use or possession of a firearm and having amounts of marijuana not in compliant with state and local law....

Dorschner said it's not possible to answer whether a shop in compliance with state rules and regulations and not located near a school would still face any trouble.

It's true, of course, that marijuana is prohibited for all uses by the federal Controlled Substances Act and that, under Gonzales v. Raich, U.S. attorneys have the authority to prosecute people who supply marijuana to patients, even in states that, like Colorado, explicitly allow such distribution. What Holder (and his boss) promised was that federal prosecutors would nevertheless use their discretion to avoid a conflict between the federal ban and state policy. One searches Walsh's position in vain for any hint of such forbearance.

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MacGuyver4.2.0 said:

UncleBuck said:

you are aware that the policy of the administration is to target individuals NOT in compliance with state laws, right?

i mean, i'm just quoting the holder memo on that.[/QUOTE]


You can quote the Holder memo all you want, but everyone elese here knows it's a flat out lie. And the issue as stated by yourself above, does not have to include victims who were actually prosecuted by any U.S. Attorney General....if they are forced to close by the FEDERAL Government under the local jurisdiction of the STATE Attorney General, then they (the government) are guilty as charged. They are clearly targeting everyone whether state 'legal' or not!

Here's one from just this March 5th 2012 that says that even Colorado based Dispensaries that were LEGAL by the laws of the state, were threatened and forced to close by the federal government. Oh, and thanks for trying to refute a statement that doesn't even apply to your agrument- the more eyes that see all these attrocities the better!


U.S. Attorney in Colorado Says All State-Licensed Medical Marijuana Dispensaries Are Fair Game
Jacob Sullum | March 5, 2012

John Walsh, the U.S. attorney for Colorado, finally has clarified which medical marijuana providers in that state should worry about trouble with the feds: all of them. Two months ago Walsh told 23 dispensaries located within 1,000 feet of a school they had to close or face raids, forfeiture, and prosecution. At least some of those dispensaries were complying with Colorado law, which has a general rule against operating within 1,000 feet of a school but allows local governments to modify that restiction and grandfathers dispensaries that existed before the state started issuing licenses. So it was already clear that Walsh, contrary to Attorney General Holder's repeated assurances on this point, was not prepared to let state law determine whether a dispensary can operate without federal harassment. But when it turned out that one of those 23 dispensaries was near a school building that was not used for teaching, it was taken off the list. That decision fanned the hope that Walsh would stick to enforcing his 1,000-foot rule. Last week, A.P. reports, Walsh stomped on that hope (emphasis added):

U.S. Attorney John Walsh sent a letter Friday to a lawyer representing medical marijuana dispensaries, saying safe harbor doesn't exist for such shops because marijuana remains illegal under federal law....

Walsh said in the new letter that it is at his office's discretion to take enforcement action against any and all medicinal marijuana dispensaries....

[Walsh said] advising clients that there is a safe harbor is "incorrect and untruthful, and would mislead them, factually and legally."

Jeff Dorschner, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office, said there are other factors that can close down shops like unlawful use or possession of a firearm and having amounts of marijuana not in compliant with state and local law....

Dorschner said it's not possible to answer whether a shop in compliance with state rules and regulations and not located near a school would still face any trouble.

It's true, of course, that marijuana is prohibited for all uses by the federal Controlled Substances Act and that, under Gonzales v. Raich, U.S. attorneys have the authority to prosecute people who supply marijuana to patients, even in states that, like Colorado, explicitly allow such distribution. What Holder (and his boss) promised was that federal prosecutors would nevertheless use their discretion to avoid a conflict between the federal ban and state policy. One searches Walsh's position in vain for any hint of such forbearance.

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were you aware that state AGs are chosen by the residents of each state?

for example, recently here in oregon, we chose rosenblum over holton. holton had a history of cracking down and wanting to crack down even more on MMJ, rosenblum said it was a low priority.

we chose rosenblum.

will there still be raids? yes, of course. you'd have to be stupid to think that everyone is acting within the strict guidelines of state MMJ laws, in oregon or elsewhere.

will there still be raids on the state compliant? of course. you'd have to be stupid to think that a nation that would choose to kill a certain percentage of innocent folks would not apply the same standard to stoners selling overpriced pot. we are a damn easy political target, which is why all progress on this issue has been made by voter initiatives, not congressional legislation, and rarely state legislation (if at all, someone look this up).

is anyone really naive enough to suspect that the president of the united states will be in a position to endorse full legalization as sitting president in our lifetimes?

it doesn't make a fuck of a difference what the guy (or gal) in the oval office thinks about MMJ, or decriminalization, or prohibition. all that matters is who they appoint to the SCOTUS, and how they prioritize standing congressional law. the 535 others ain't going to do jack nor shit in our lifetimes, save a few.

you can't blame the actions of state AGs on the POTUS, it's just partisan and naive and mildly retarded. we the people of each state elect state AGs and deal with the consequences.

some take the obama position of making MMJ a low priority, others take the romney position of strongly favoring full prohibition, including MMJ.

some take the obama position of wanting to address the drug war, others take the romney position of strongly favoring full enforcement and expansion of the drug war.

i guess it just depends on how much objectivity you look at it with. lol.

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MellowFarmer said:

Many states have laws I consider violations of human rights. The Death Penalty, The Hole, Anti Abortion crap, making kids listen to religious BS... states that I consider ignorant laws, Paper's Please in AZ ... and the Feds seem to think torture is fucking cool...
the 'Socialist' nations you refer to are as Socialist as Russia was Communist or we are a Democracy, they only say they are, they certainly practice none of it and are a stupid stupid thing to point to when trying to shit on Socialism because they don't follow what the original Socialists decided was Socialism therefore pointing out Dictatorships and their obvious flaws doesn't say shit about Socialism now does it?

How's that Post Office been treating you lately? It's run entirely by the Feds just as a Socialist nation would have it. It doesn't lose money, ever. Remember the Airlines before Deregulation? They were pretty nice, eh? Airlines flew into smaller airports and never changed their prices, the employees were paid decent and no one spent an entire day trapped in a tiny Airplane on a Ramp with no way of getting off or making the plane take off. Or the Energy companies before their Deregulation? Enron greedy fucks ring a bell? And that was extreme, what about every day assuming the position for your local energy corporation since they were allowed the freedom to rape us merrily. OH, do you live where it snows ten months out of the year? Great! You must freeze or pay our monopoly's inflated rates. OH, do you live where the temperature rarely drops below 100? Great! You must Overheat or pay our monopoly's inflated rates. How is THAT freedom for anyone but the rich greedy fucks?

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InCognition said:

Did you just say the post office doesn't lose money, ever? LOL. Are you under a rock?

Forget trying to converse with you, you just flushed any facade of intelligence you had, right down the drain.

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Antidisestablishmentarian said:

http://www.npr.org/2012/05/17/152964504/postal-service-to-start-closing-plants-this-summer

Post office is doing horrible.

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But just look at how Congress is tying the Post Office’s hands behind its back here — and not just by forcing it to pay $5.5 billion per year into a retiree healthcare fund.

The law also prevents the post office from raising postage fees faster than inflation…
In some countries, post offices double as banks or sell insurance or cellphones. In the United States, the postal service is barred from entering many areas…
The postal service is also asking Congress for permission to end Saturday delivery.
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It seems to me that a significant part of the problem here lies with Congress and that a massive bout of deregulation could be just the solution that the Post Office is looking for. Congress is micromanaging the Post Office, telling it how much it can raise postage rates, telling it that it can’t offer financial services (despite its huge business in money orders), telling it that it can’t get into all manner of other businesses either and telling it that it has to deliver mail on Saturdays. Astonishingly, amid all these rules and regulations, the Post Office is losing billions of dollars.
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/09/06/how-to-solve-the-post-offices-problems/

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jahmahn said:

IMO the internet is killing the post office. With paperless bank accounts and online bill paying the post office is doomed, it's just a matter of time...

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MellowFarmer said:

Really? Please find me data to prove me wrong. I am quite certain they raise the costs of the stamps before they lose money. I know that was a fact is it no longer?

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jahmahn said:

IMO the internet is killing the post office. With paperless bank accounts and online bill paying the post office is doomed, it's just a matter of time...

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