Concerned for a friend.

jtprin

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Many of those studies use the same flawed premise that has been enshrined as policy, for reasons not of science but politics. The book to read is Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. It has made me very leery of the general authority of Modern Biomedical Studies. cn
Sounds a lot like someone who eats a lot of meat. What didn't you understand about..

"The study published in the Archives of Internal Medicine conducted periodic surveys of about 120,000 physicians and nurses over more than two decades. The group was divided into groups based on the average amount of red meat consumed.

The data revealed that those who consumed the most meat, two 3 ounces servings per day, were 30% more likely to die during the study than those who consumed the least amount, one to two servings per week.

The researchers also showed that red meat consumed was also linked specifically with increased risk of cancer and cardiovascular disease.

It was also shown that substitution of one serving per day of red meat with other proteins (fish, poultry, nuts, legumes, low-fat dairy, and whole grains) reduced death rate by 7 to 19%."
 

jtprin

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Obesity is a combination of things, it's not one thing you can pinpoint. It's a combination of genetics, poor decision making, lack of judgement, lack of physical activity, etc... and then once the person gets to a certain point, it's hard to turn back. Poor eating habits lead to a lot of health problems, including depression.
 

billybob420

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No; I'm not saying that. But if you read the book, you'll see that there's been an awful lot of misrepresentation regarding both previous incidence and assumed causes of obesity. cn
Just making sure, cause that's what it sounded like you said.
 

Carne Seca

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Many of those studies use the same flawed premise that has been enshrined as policy, for reasons not of science but politics. The book to read is Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. It has made me very leery of the general authority of Modern Biomedical Studies. cn
I've read his book, Why we get fat. That was an eye opener.
 

hsfkush

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Carne, with that, and what cn said, there is still something to be said that he clearly loves his friend enough to be very upset about this, enough to actually get involved and not just watch, and to come here and ask for more help. that's pretty great. this friend is well on their way to diabetes, which could hurt them physically, if not kill them.

so many times I see obese people and think to myself, how did you let this happen, and why didn't anyone try to help you. at least this guy is doing something about it, like a good friend, even though somewhat misguided. I wish someone had tried to stop me before i found myself in the situation i'm in.

just sayin'.
The worst of it is, his brother has diabetes, not sure what type though.
 

Carne Seca

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The worst of it is, his brother has diabetes, not sure what type though.
If that doesn't scare him then nothing will. He isn't going to change until he's willing to change. It won't happen until the pain of the problem overcomes the pain of the solution. From the way you're talking it sounds like there are some psychological issues tied in with his eating habits. Maybe you should GENTLY direct him to a therapist/psychologist that specializes in eating disorders. I'm thinking there is more to this than just refusing to eat healthy or exercise. This is tied in with his self-esteem and ego. It's going to take more than changing the type of food he eats to address and overcome the problem.

The 11th Commandment: Get thee to a counselor.
 

Carne Seca

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Probably what they called type B or "non-insulin-dependent". Our insulin-producing cells are not designed for sugary diets and ... wear out. cn
Which is reversible if caught in time. If his brother is diabetic then he is prone to diabetes. He's probably "border-line" right now. Has he been to a doctor about this?
 

RyanTheRhino

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http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmi-classification/bmi-obesity-class-2-information.php

"If you have a BMI of 35-39.99 your risk of weight-related health problems and even death, is severe". His BMI (6"1, 266) would fit that category. He is overweight.

Then again, I'm 5"8 and always around 160 and it says I'm close to being overweight. You can see my abs lol. My BMI is 24.33 and 25 is overweight. Not sure the validity of this website just based off that.
BMI is just a rough estimate. It does not factor in muscles or fat.

muscles are heavier then fat so if you have a lot of muscles you could tip the scale. like wise if you are all fat you might be underestimated by this scale.
 

hsfkush

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Which is reversible if caught in time. If his brother is diabetic then he is prone to diabetes. He's probably "border-line" right now. Has he been to a doctor about this?
No he hasn't, again, we've warned him about this and he's doing nothing.
 

RyanTheRhino

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Hopefully if you and I keep repeating this people will start to realize it's actually a real issue and not an "excuse for fat people to be fat."

Its sad because people start building their metabolism when they are kids. They have no control over what their parents decided to feed them. If they start off on a bad path by the time they are knowledgeable enough to realize the mistake it would take a huge commitment to change. Not only would it take a huge amount of self restraint , but they have to get it done before they get into their 20's.

After 20 your body starts to lock in your metabolism and it becomes extremely difficult to change it any further.
 

Carne Seca

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Its sad because people start building their metabolism when they are kids. They have no control over what their parents decided to feed them. If they start off on a bad path by the time they are knowledgeable enough to realize the mistake it would take a huge commitment to change. Not only would it take a huge amount of self restraint , but they have to get it done before they get into their 20's.

After 20 your body starts to lock in your metabolism and it becomes extremely difficult to change it any further.
Which is further exacerbated if you have Diabetes.
 

RightyMcquick

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Probably what they called type B or "non-insulin-dependent". Our insulin-producing cells are not designed for sugary diets and ... wear out. cn
it's called type 2. or adult onset diabetes mellitus. generally caused by a bad diet and lack of exercise.

His brother takes regular insulin injections in his stomach.
that is type 1 diabetes or juvenile onset diabetes mellitus. this is generally considered a genetic disorder.








I am a type 1 diabetic taking regular insulin injections, and it's not fun.
the one problem here is that your friend needs to want to make the changes needed to be healthy, otherwise it'll just get worse...


also, November is diabetes awareness month. take a friend and get screened!
 

cannabineer

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it's called type 2. or adult onset diabetes mellitus. generally caused by a bad diet and lack of exercise.

that is type 1 diabetes or juvenile onset diabetes mellitus. this is generally considered a genetic disorder.

I am a type 1 diabetic taking regular insulin injections, and it's not fun.
the one problem here is that your friend needs to want to make the changes needed to be healthy, otherwise it'll just get worse...

also, November is diabetes awareness month. take a friend and get screened!
Thank you for the correction. cn
 
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