Can we see the rest of the plant to beter determine a diagnosis?Danke Schoen for the bud porn openhorizon.
When you alternate water/feed, more particularly water, are you adding CalMag, or a weak solution of A&B? I ask because I use RO water.
Currently I'm feeding every time, but am going to try this method. I'm afraid a serious flush looms near, but I don't want to flush out my Mykos, so maybe this will help???
Does anybody have any suggestions? This new plague appears to be a nutrient lockout... I have not dealt with this before. I hate to follow up such lovely nuggets with sickly leaves, my apologies.
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LesterBurnum
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All information from Canna states to water as I said. Check the side of the bag. As well as, the canna talk magazines.
of course don't water everyday after transplant. Give em a week or so to handle it.
somebody1701
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I guess if you want to make sure you have something to do every day, follow this bad advice.
jberry
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The reason u want to use a pot size that allows u to water everyday is so that u are feeding everyday.. By
watering everyday and getting plenty of run off, then u can keep pH and nutrient levels optimal... If u wait 3-4 days between watering/feedings, then your pH in your root zone likely drifts out of optimal range by the time u water... Lesterburnum wasn't giving bad advise in my opinion.
I like yer pic tho.
watering everyday and getting plenty of run off, then u can keep pH and nutrient levels optimal... If u wait 3-4 days between watering/feedings, then your pH in your root zone likely drifts out of optimal range by the time u water... Lesterburnum wasn't giving bad advise in my opinion.
I like yer pic tho.
somebody1701
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So if I have my plants in a dry environment, they are going to grow faster because I could water them (and thus feed them) more often?
And I guess the plant can't use nutrients that are more than a day old?
Moderate PH shift in the root zone is actually a good thing.
Like I said, if you really like to have to water every day, just keep those pot sizes so small that if you miss a day, your plant dies. As an added bonus, you're sure to have root-bound plants as well.
LesterBurnum
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Wow bad advice from Canna themselves! Oh… you meant me. Haha. Ok. Keep doing what you're doing. Jberry mentioned watering everyday years ago. And I tried and noticed the difference. So don't listen to jberry or canna or myself.
somebody1701
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I've watered every day with negative results. If watering every day works for you fine. My point was about the container size (as I thought yours was), not how often you water. If I have a plant in a very small container, I have to water every day or even twice a day. Is that better for the plant, watering twice a day? How about watering every hour? Since you haven't presented anything other than self-serving advice from a nutrient maker as the basis for your claim and I've personally experienced the opposite, of course I'm not going to listen to you or Canna.
The main reason I think it's bad advice is because about the only sure way to kill a plant in coco is to let it get too dry. The smaller your container is relative to the plant size, the more likely that is to happen. If I can get the same growth with some buffer on watering, why wouldn't I? I have 5g containers that I water every 2-3 days and are completely filled with roots by the end of the grow. Are you suggesting I should go to a 1 or 2g container to get better results?
The main reason I think it's bad advice is because about the only sure way to kill a plant in coco is to let it get too dry. The smaller your container is relative to the plant size, the more likely that is to happen. If I can get the same growth with some buffer on watering, why wouldn't I? I have 5g containers that I water every 2-3 days and are completely filled with roots by the end of the grow. Are you suggesting I should go to a 1 or 2g container to get better results?
SpliffAndMyLady
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I bought one of these when I first started out, biggest piece of crap I would have to wait 30 mins to even get a gallon of RO water, it waste way too much water and was a waste of 150 bucks. You can get whole house filters that will filter all of your water(not just your kitchen sink) for less than $150 that pump out 45 gpm! Much better results. . .
I honestly prefer filtered tap, over RO but I'm an outdoor soil grower.
-Spliff
somebody1701
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Let's see a link to an RO filter that does 45 gpm for less than $150.I bought one of these when I first started out, biggest piece of crap I would have to wait 30 mins to even get a gallon of RO water, it waste way too much water and was a waste of 150 bucks. You can get whole house filters that will filter all of your water(not just your kitchen sink) for less than $150 that pump out 45 gpm! Much better results. . .
I honestly prefer filtered tap, over RO but I'm an outdoor soil grower.
-Spliff
SpliffAndMyLady
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I didn't say it was an RO filter, if you would've read. Its a whole house water filter, for stuff like iron,chlorine,rust,and dirt, it still purifies your water though, but it doesn't get out all the minerals which is fine for me; less work. I'm just saying, that GE RO filter is complete crap. I think if you do actually own one, you would know that and not reccommend it just because its the cheapest RO filter you found on the web. Here's a link, happy growing!
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100083450/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=whole+house+water+filter&storeId=10051
Like I said this works fine for me, because I grow outdo in soil! I like not having to add extra calmag.
-Spliff
jberry
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Once you water/feed a plant, it begins to uptake various nutrients at different rates and levels and this effects the plants ability to absorb additional nutrients as time passes by... But it also effects the coco coirs pH.. These two factors along with others can cause your pH to drift out of optimal range in hours.. There is no way your medium is still holding a well balanced nutrient solutions that has a optimal pH if your waiting 3 days between feedings.
Yes. It is optimal and the proper time to water when your plants are able to use around 40% or more of their water weight in between feedings, but it's just as important to make sure your mediums pH, ect, is not getting out of whack in between feedings... Several factors will determine how long this takes...like Temps, RH, air exchange/fans, but the biggest factors are plant size and Container size! The more often your plants can feed under optimal conditions, the healthier and heavier they will be.
You should be taking all aspects into consideration and choose the container size that best meets the above requirements.
Even with a large percentage of drainage run off, i think 3 days between feeding is too long for a hydroponic/soilless grow by most all peoples standards and understanding.. Pot size directly effects how often you water, so if you aren't able to water OFTEN at the proper time then u likely have too big of a pot size for your plant size and/or environmental conditions.
LesterBurnum
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Very we'll stated jberry. I gave up. Haha.
jberry
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I just started some Great White Shark seeds a few weeks ago... How did u like growing it?Finally bought a new camera, got some Great White Shark girls I want to share.
I'm loving coco.
somebody1701
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I'm growing organically so maybe that accounts for the difference. Like I said, I've tried watering more frequently with negative results.
somebody1701
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I actually own two and they both work great if you don't expect them to work like a faucet.
Yes, you should. The benefits of frequent watering in Coco have been well documented. I flower in 5 liter air pots and auto feed every six hours. You can believe what you want, but I've seen the benefits first hand. The plants simply explode with vigor as you water more frequently. Try it, you'll see. Or don't, you'll still get soil results. Just don't spread misinformation if you're unwilling to research it a little.
somebody1701
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Where is the documentation? Links? 5 liter is 1.2 gallons. If my pots were that small, I'd have to water at least twice a day. I've yet to hear any sort of explanation as to how having to water every day is beneficial.
I'll give you a link supporting my position:
http://forum.grasscity.com/coco-coir/620656-askeds-coco-guide.html
" Coco can be used with flood tables but the cycles should be short and reduced to once or twice a day at most. I’ve seen a flood setup cycling every-other day with fantastic growth."
I'll give you a link supporting my position:
http://forum.grasscity.com/coco-coir/620656-askeds-coco-guide.html
" Coco can be used with flood tables but the cycles should be short and reduced to once or twice a day at most. I’ve seen a flood setup cycling every-other day with fantastic growth."
Chopsticks33
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Great thread! I am new to coco and and a low budget. Anyone here use GH cocotek brick before? Im getting the 11lb brick for $10. im am planing to soak the brick with 6.5 ph water mix with house and garden drip clean then mix the coco with 20% ancient forest. will this be safe for coco? this is my first time using coco. Please advise! thanks!