cloning; Is it worth it?

Flagg420

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Meh, cloning is great. When ya snip off a cutting, it sprouts a pair of nodes to replace it, mother plant only bushes bigger as a result of cuttings. Adds veg time, increases yield, thats all.

I only do plain water now, used to use Clonex, then Roottech, both worked well enough, but just plain RO water in a spray cloner I got on Amazon for like $35 (3.5gal bucket system) works wonderful...

If having troubles, try adding a humidity dome, or humidifier (mist not steam)

The stick it in a cup of water method works.... when ur lucky.

Even a simple DIY bubble cloner can be built for like $12 (instructions all over this site) is a better plan than just a cup of water.
 

Mazer

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Why in the hell would you ever do this lol. I did it for years before we actually tried just plain old cloning. It's a pain I the ass to be honest but works.
Dear Budley Doright,
In some dark places, the number of plants grown are limited. In order for the people stuck in these backward geographical zones, having one mother with several rooted air layered "cuts" on it can be a hefty trick around the mind numbing regulations.

Renaissancingly yours,
M
 

Chip Green

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Man ...if you know of anyway of increasing the vitality of plants

DO SAY !!!!
I was actually asking.... heheee
We've all seen, heard, or read about weird clone mutations that occur occasionally. Ive always chalked it up to random natural variance . What I'm wondering now, is would say alternating medium, and or feeding style, boost vigor? Not a new idea certainly, but I cant remember reading about it anywhere. Sounding more and more "bro sciencey" the more I contemplate it LOL
Shroom cultures can get get "tired" of a particular food source, and weird out. So to keep a stock culture strong, (like a mother plant, only in a petri dish) alternating the medium it grows on and feeds from keeps them "interested" and they maintain vitality....
 

Budley Doright

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Dear Budley Doright,
In some dark places, the number of plants grown are limited. In order for the people stuck in these backward geographical zones, having one mother with several rooted air layered "cuts" on it can be a hefty trick around the mind numbing regulations.

Renaissancingly yours,
M
Well there you go I may just have to revisit that with our low plant counts, 0 right now lol.
 

chemphlegm

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I was actually asking.... heheee
We've all seen, heard, or read about weird clone mutations that occur occasionally. Ive always chalked it up to random natural variance . What I'm wondering now, is would say alternating medium, and or feeding style, boost vigor? Not a new idea certainly, but I cant remember reading about it anywhere. Sounding more and more "bro sciencey" the more I contemplate it LOL
Shroom cultures can get get "tired" of a particular food source, and weird out. So to keep a stock culture strong, (like a mother plant, only in a petri dish) alternating the medium it grows on and feeds from keeps them "interested" and they maintain vitality....
good on you thinking outside the box, and shrooms, well, my man
 

Seedman06

Member
I started using a clone king recently. It's fantastic. 95% success sofar 10-14 days to root. Quick and easy. Cut clone, stick in foam, stick in cloner. 2 weeks later: transplant. Straight water

If your not bound by a number of plants restriction there is no reason not to save a few clones incase you end up with an amazing plant.
 

Dr. Who

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I remember reading years ago about genetic drift in cannabis cloning, does it exist???? During my freelance mycology experiments in the late 90's, alternating food source agar medium, for the mycelium stock samples of the isolated pure strain, helped to maintain vigor.....
Any correlation to this known in plant genetics?
I say NO! Not a genetic "drift" but, an "environmental shift" in plant growth patterns. The plant already has these genetics. They simply change growth patterns by environmental exposure, to express the dominate/sub-dominate genetic trait that is more inclined to that environment. Basically, as an example, why an indica growing plant "shifts" to a more sativa type of growth expression, over several clonings.

True genetic "shift" or "Drift" can only be expressed by different genetic material being introduced by sexual reproduction.

Now once you've bred out to F5 and farther. You can begin see loss of vigor in results - progressively too.
 

Dr. Who

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I like using willow. Take the newer yellow growth from a willow tree. About a cup or two. Put in a bowl or pot with distilled or spring water and lightly warm. No boiling. Let sit over night and strain. Keep in the fridge.

I make mine stronger for a concentrate.
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I use this in a "magic plant recovery" mix also..... Plant weak? Having root troubles? Let her dry her feet and use mix of low ratio feed with Kelp and willow water.....
 

ANC

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It is basically a necessity of commercial grows. All your weed in a batch needs to be the same.
 
Plenty of good reasons to clone. One is to sex the parent plant and see if it's male or not. Another is to preserve the genetics. And the other is to increase plant count without the differences in growth variation from differing phenos of the same strain.

I've only had luck cloning with a clone dome and potting mix. My clones were excess branches cut from the mother.

The bigger the cut. The more nutrients it will have stored. I try to make sure mine are at least as tall as a standard toilet roll.

Some plants are harder to clone than others. Mine was very finicky until I added the cloner.
I've also had great success with cloners and i currently use a clone king 36 site going on two years with 100 percent success rate, my roots tend to be much more "predator dreads" and super thick after about 5-7 days than the post above me (not that that dont look really solid!)

i dont put more than 18 cuttings in mine so there is one open space between everything but the stuff on the edges of the cloner..i use netty pots..and i cut the bases off. then ill take a nice cutting, i try to take clippings with at least three nodes, and cut with a VERY sharp blade at a 45 degree angle, and i DO NOT score the stem in any way. I then dip it in Remo roots and stick it in the foam insert that goes into the netty pot and put them in the tray like that..if there is a lot of leaf i will cut some back so there are no more than 4.

in the tub itself i have found what i feel to be a few key things to always get good success for me, some can tend to forget about this stuff and i feel its pretty important mainly the first few....

1. the water temperature. dont let cloner water get hotter than 75f...i have seen many friends not have success with cloners simply because they didnt realize the water got too hot. the pump and sprayer by their nature will ever so slightly heat up the water, so i highly suggest keeping the water as close to 70f as you can.

2. the sprayers. make sure all the sprayers work and cover the entire underside of the tray before you put anything into it. sometimes out of the box they can not function totally right.

3. water ph and additives... i keep the ph of the water between 6 and 6.5 in this stage of cutting you can go a little lower but i wouldnt go any higher if you can help it..i tend to lean SLIGHTLY toward 6.5 because i add 1 mil per gallon of water of AN voodoo juice, 1 mil of remo velokelp, and 1 mil of magcal or magnifical. then i ph to 6-6.5...if you use RO water or purified water with lower than 60ppm youll be golden...i have found the brand Primo water to be FANTASTIC for this stage of the plant because not only is it 6-10ppm (!!!) but it has a wonderful .2 or .3 upward ph flux i think due to its minerals for taste. so if you ph to like 6.2 using primo and that very very small dose of stuff, it fluxes up to about 6.5 in a few days which kind of gives the young plants a magcal boost without going overboard.

4. LEAVE THE SPRAYERS ON. leave that shit on all day and night, unless the temps get out of range..so many people say give it some "rest" time but i have had friends swear by this, and though their success rate was ok, it wasnt perfect.

5. light and humidity.. i have a tent just for propagation and i dim a veg led to about 200 watts and put it several feet above the cloner with no break in the cycle (i personally tend to veg 24/7 unless im having nute lockout), i also allow the humidity to be a bit higher in this area..in the 65-70 percent range if you can help it. lower is ok but you may need to give your plants some foliar love the first few days... i use a velokelp voodo juice spray slightly less than the ration for the tub and phd to 6.5.


FOR ME, (everyone is different of course) as i said i have had 100 percent success rate following those 5 things and i am currently on a 14 for 14 attempt record. 252-252. 8 different strains total. hope it helps!
 

too larry

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Asprin is the main reason I planted a willow tree. I started a medicinal herb garden. Willow is good for a lot of things.
The walls of the traditional Creek sweat lodges are limbs of living willow trees grown woven together around a dome shaped frame. You just cover with blankets when you are sweating. It's been years since I studied this, but I think it has something to do with the willow coming back to life every spring.
 
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