Chronic Pain

bob harris said:

The "so what" is that those people are the ones causing the anti cannabis people to say that the med laws are only serving to create "legal stoners"..which in turn, makes it easier to justify the tightening, or repeal, of a med law. And that only hampers any hope of decriminalization for everyone.

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Bob, they did that before the act, they will keep doing it. These people you're so afraid of make up facts, perpetuate lies and say WTF ever they think will work. Couple guys (even a couple thousand) with cards for what you deem as questionable reasons isn't going to stop or help that stream of lies and BS from coming. Don't be scared bob, when you're scared you start doing crazy shit like alienating people who might otherwise be help to you in your fight. You got this one though, right bro- you'll get it legalized for you and the other medical patient you allow in (should you ever deem one sick enough) your silly world to get a card. Good gravy Bob you do more to fracture this group then any "punk stoner" with a card ever could. I swear you're part of some inside job to jsut disband and dishearten anyone working for this cause and that's just on THIS forum-you're brand of dumbass is all over the net!

Cory and trevor said:

I swear you're part of some inside job to jsut disband and dishearten anyone working for this cause

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Thats the same feeling I get from him.

Timmahh said:

you are missing the BIG Picture here Bob. If its cannabis yesterday, and my daughters need for birth control today, and Feral Pigs tomorrow (yes Mi DNR is now trying to make Mi Pig Farmers Criminals for the money machine) then when is it going to stop bob.

Today, tomorrow? it sure as fuck hasnt stopped them yesterday now has it. When will it be, or what situation will it take you to stand the fuck up? when they are kicking down your fucking door, to arrest you for growing cannabis as you just openly admitted to commiting a FEDERAL CRIME< and Bill Schuette says YOU ARE A PROFITEER most obviously, you willingly broke federal law. Is THAT the only time you will give two fucks about what YOUR Government is doing bob?


Maybe you'll give a shit when they bust down your boys door for having a naked man lay in his bed with him. perhaps you'll care then.

and you call me a selfish fuck. what a Piece of Shit you are bob. I still hope you do well with your sickness, but your a fucktard.

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That whole ramble has nothing to do with the med law....It's just anti government ranting

and when they kick down your boys door, to take him to jail for homosexuality, will it be anti government ranting then? or justified arrest for a crime against humchristianity?


somehow it think you ll SEE THAT as an invasion of your boys PERSONAL RIGHTS wouldn't you?

Timmahh said:

and when they kick down your boys door, to take him to jail for homosexuality, will it be anti government ranting then? or justified arrest for a crime against humchristianity?


somehow it think you ll SEE THAT as an invasion of your boys PERSONAL RIGHTS wouldn't you?

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Of course I would. However I find it unlikely. Homosexuality is becoming more and more tolerated..gay marriage is now on the table...Things have been improving steadily in that areans.

But wtf does that question have to do with medical cannabis?

See, that's what you do . You never answer a direct question. You never debate with logic. You resort to completely changing the topic and hiding from answering...

Of course we shouldnt consider the government corrupt. See attached link Michigan 8th most corrupt state. Imagine that.

http://247wallst.com/2012/03/22/americas-most-corrupt-states/2/

it has to do what the government Telling US what we Voted for Bob. It does not matter if it is gay marriage, or pot, or feral pigs in pens or medical cannabis bob. We passed this Law, Just as we may or may not pass gay marriage. But if we pass gay marraige (which i do not support myself) and the cops do kick down your boys door and haul him and his guy off to jail, even though i dont support his lifestyle, I would still be on the line picketing, calling my peeps, posting on RIU, FB and the 3MA stating how our government has gone power mad, and we need to put it back in its cage before it eats us all.

Because Your Sons liberty is just as important to me as my Daughters, or my right or anyones right to smoke cannbis, cut their arms, eat toilet paper, or snort clorox chrystals, or be a man that loves to slurp on 10 inches of another mans meat if they want to... I will stand up for ALL Injustices perpetrated upon the Citizens of this State and this Country by a wayward, power-hungry government.

its obvious you wont. so you are correct bob, im the selfish one.

Timmahh said:

it has to do what the government Telling US what we Voted for Bob. It does not matter if it is gay marriage, or pot, or feral pigs in pens or medical cannabis bob. We passed this Law, Just as we may or may not pass gay marriage. But if we pass gay marraige (which i do not support myself) and the cops do kick down your boys door and haul him and his guy off to jail, even though i dont support his lifestyle, I would still be on the line picketing, calling my peeps, posting on RIU, FB and the 3MA stating how our government has gone power mad, and we need to put it back in its cage before it eats us all.

Because Your Sons liberty is just as important to me as my Daughters, or my right or anyones right to smoke cannbis, cut their arms, eat toilet paper, or snort clorox chrystals, or be a man that loves to slurp on 10 inches of another mans meat if they want to... I will stand up for ALL Injustices perpetrated upon the Citizens of this State and this Country by a wayward, power-hungry government.

its obvious you wont. so you are correct bob, im the selfish one.

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You have once again abandoned all reason......and are attempting to make my brain bleed...

one could only hope that aneurysm brings some clarity to the fog in your brain bob.

bob harris said:

I'm not worried about losing my medical rights. I was using cannabis and growing my own for my PD before the med law passed. Since I kept that to myself, didn't let any one know I grew, never sold any, and didn't reek of the stuff when I went out, I figured my chances of getting "busted" were pretty darn minimal.


And actually , i agree. The state is negotiating with us..or at least trying to. What amazes me are the number of cg's and patients that don't want to negotiate.

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do you know what your saying?

* Cancer
* Glaucoma
* Positive status for human immunodeficiency virus
* Acquired immune deficiency syndrome
* Hepatitis C
* Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS - Lou Gehrig's Disease)
* Crohn's disease
* Agitation of Alzheimer's disease
* Nail patella


General diseases, medical conditions, and treatment not listed but authorized in Statute:
A patient can also qualify under the statute [Section 3 (a) (2)] if he/she experiences any chronic or debilitating disease or medical condition, or it's treatment, which produces one or more of the following symptoms or side effects:

* cachexia or wasting syndrome;
* severe and chronic pain;
* nausea;
* seizures, including but not limited to those characteristic of epilepsy;
* severe and persistent muscle spasms, including but not limited to those characteristic of multiple sclerosis

I didn't see parkinsons on that list at all. Your like a preacher that fucks his alter boy.

If the medical law was abolished tomorrow bob would still be growing his own and breaking the law. Or buying it from a profiteering drug dealer.

ismokealotofpot said:

I didn't see parkinsons on that list at all. Your like a preacher that fucks his alter boy.

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You mean like severe and persistent muscle spams? Or seizures? Both say not limited to those caused by MS or Epilepsy. Ever seen a PD patient shaking? You know, like Micheal J Fox..Or Muhammad Ali?
What about cachexia? You know, the muscle atrophy, fatigue, and unitentional weight loss that occurs with most neurological disorders? I lost 80lbs after my PD started..so Bravo..Parkinsons is not named directly...but you don't think it qualifies?

so that makes you more legal than I and my back pain, which i have documentation of in 1980 as being a life long illness, but becuase I couldnt find any of those documents, and if i couldnt afford to get them, In your Tiny Brain, Id be a Criminal but you'd be Mr jonny law abider.


ya i agree i smoke. thats like fucking your 1st cousin and saying its ok cuz they still do it in W.Virginia and Tennessee.

ismokealotofpot said:

If the medical law was abolished tomorrow bob would still be growing his own and breaking the law. Or buying it from a profiteering drug dealer.

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I was growing before the law passed..so yes, if abolished I'd probably continue. Thing is, I did it for medicinal reasons and never sold overages for profit. I've never made a nickle growing cannabis. I have broken even, from small donations from other PD patients I know from my PD support group. They have cards, and don't grow. I've never asked them for a cg agreement..don't need their plant count to help them. Which WAS totally legal, until the p2p rulings, which were the result of all the would be caregivers selling to anyone...and the shady dispensaries that opened.

Actually, my "rights" have been reduced by the behavior of others.

thats right bob, your a criminal, but its everyone elses fault.
you have been listening to too much rush limbaugh and bull schuitte.

Timmahh said:

so that makes you more legal than I and my back pain, which i have documentation of in 1980 as being a life long illness, but becuase I couldnt find any of those documents, and if i couldnt afford to get them, In your Tiny Brain, Id be a Criminal but you'd be Mr jonny law abider.


ya i agree i smoke. thats like fucking your 1st cousin and saying its ok cuz they still do it in W.Virginia and Tennessee.

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But you CAN afford to get new xrays..you said you have them. And you CAN afford chiro treatments, and the cert fee. And you ARE spending money building a new grow facility...so what's your point? Again you are trying to justify something that doesn't even apply too you.

You keep waving the banner of some poor homeless soul with no money at all, no insurance and no means to receive help of any kind. That person can't even afford a cert fee, much less the cannabis or grow equipment if he were certified. If he had any money, even with NO money, he would have sought help at an emergency room, shelter..someplace.

You'd like me to believe that somewhere, someone has been suffering with pain, not sought help, then suddenly decided that cannabis was the answer to his misery? Bullshit. People in chronic pain seek help..through free clinics, emergency rooms..even Churches and shelters.

Your just arguing for "cannabis for all" with no logic or reasoning.

i said i had them, NO ONE said anything about affording them sir.
and no, im arguing for YOU and the government to stay the FUCK out of my medical affairs you dolt.

Yes, I am speaking for those the cant, idiots like you that wont, or those to fucking afraid to even make use of this law, having full right to do so..

You can viberate your taint all you want, but im not just a keyboard jockey, leaving my spewed and useless semen all over this forum like you are. I will actually GIVE 2 fucks when your door gets kicked in, and your infront of the judge without the ability to say your a medical cannabis patient.

Why bob. Cuz Im a Fucking American that Cares about your COCKSUCKING Freedom, and I ll fucking die for it if it comes down to it you fucking coward.

"At the close of the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia on September 18, 1787, a Mrs. Powel anxiously awaited the results, and as Benjamin Franklin emerged from the long task now finished, asked him directly: "Well Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" "A republic if you can keep it" responded Franklin."

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Timmahh said:

i said i had them, NO ONE said anything about affording them sir.
and no, im arguing for YOU and the government to stay the FUCK out of my medical affairs you dolt.

Yes, I am speaking for those the cant, idiots like you that wont, or those to fucking afraid to even make use of this law, having full right to do so..

You can viberate your taint all you want, but im not just a keyboard jockey, leaving my spewed and useless semen all over this forum like you are. I will actually GIVE 2 fucks when your door gets kicked in, and your infront of the judge without the ability to say your a medical cannabis patient.

Why bob. Cuz Im a Fucking American that Cares about your COCKSUCKING Freedom, and I ll fucking die for it if it comes down to it you fucking coward.

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I'm not into your medical affairs..like you said, you have documentation. I'm just saying what's so bad about a bill establishing a bona-fide doctor patient relationship?

I'm also not paranoid like you. Why exactly is it that the cops would come knock down my door? Generally, you have to do something to get their attention. I used to fear getting caught, even though my use was medicinal. But then the system you hate so much passed a law making med use Ok. I don't tell anyone about my grow. I'm always UNDER 12 plants, including cuttings. I'm never over 2.5 dry, my plants are spaced in timing so only 1 is done at a time...I don't sell overages for profit. And if I do transfer to another patient it's someone with a card that I have known for years.

How do I get busted? I'm not the guy they want to bust. They don't care about me. They care about the but wipes hiding behind the med law while profiting from the overgrow they intentionally create. The people signing up 5 patients, giving each one an oz a month, then growing out all 60 plants and making crazy money..the drug dealers.

That's who they want to bust..that and the smart ass thinking they should be able to party freely under the guise of medical.