China declares the war is on, and troops deployed to Mexican border

greg nr said:

Not sure what your point is....

Statistics drawn from the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAOSTAT) ranked the USA as the world's leading producer of sorghum, with a production total of 11.5 million metric tons. As a cereal, sorghum is the 3rd most produced grain in the country. The country has several regions that yield large sorghum harvests, including Colorado, South Dakota, Oklahoma, Texas and Kansas. Farmers mainly use the crop as livestock food and in the production of ethanol.
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Next after the US is India at 7.5 million tons, Then Nigeria and Mexico. None of those countries is known to export significant quantities of Sorghum to China. The US does.

The United States exported about 4.8 million tons of sorghum, worth about $1 billion, to China in 2017, accounting for nearly all of China's imports of the grain last year, according to Chinese customs data.​

So yeah, other countries grow sorghum, but China buys theirs mostly from the US. The sanctions are aimed at us, and will hurt midwest farmers pretty hard.

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Unclebaldrick said:

My point is that Red is a dumbass who assumes that China has only one place to buy sorghum. As you pointed out, this is untrue. I am sure that the US produces it more efficiently than other countries but that comparative advantage pretty much evaporates in the face of a 179% tariff.

Chinese consumers will pay more for their hootch. I am sure they will put a whole lot of political pressure on their government. Oh, wait...

I would guess that both India and Nigeria will be planting a lot more sorghum this spring.

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peabody2018 said:

So the Chinese are refusing to eat?

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greg nr said:

Not sure what your point is....

Statistics drawn from the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAOSTAT) ranked the USA as the world's leading producer of sorghum, with a production total of 11.5 million metric tons. As a cereal, sorghum is the 3rd most produced grain in the country. The country has several regions that yield large sorghum harvests, including Colorado, South Dakota, Oklahoma, Texas and Kansas. Farmers mainly use the crop as livestock food and in the production of ethanol.
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Next after the US is India at 7.5 million tons, Then Nigeria and Mexico. None of those countries is known to export significant quantities of Sorghum to China. The US does.

The United States exported about 4.8 million tons of sorghum, worth about $1 billion, to China in 2017, accounting for nearly all of China's imports of the grain last year, according to Chinese customs data.​

So yeah, other countries grow sorghum, but China buys theirs mostly from the US. The sanctions are aimed at us, and will hurt midwest farmers pretty hard.

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Unclebaldrick said:

My point is that Red is a dumbass who assumes that China has only one place to buy sorghum. As you pointed out, this is untrue. I am sure that the US produces it more efficiently than other countries but that comparative advantage pretty much evaporates in the face of a 179% tariff.

Chinese consumers will pay more for their hootch. I am sure they will put a whole lot of political pressure on their government. Oh, wait...

I would guess that both India and Nigeria will be planting a lot more sorghum this spring.

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Grandpapy said:

Follow the money

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It said countries in the region were producing only between 10 and 25 percent of the amounts that the Center’s research suggested was “biologically possible and economically profitable” with a net return of $200 per hectare (2.5 acres).
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-africa/africa-can-easily-grow-wheat-to-ease-hunger-price-shocks-study-idUSBRE89800520121009

China doesn't let us legitimatize sweat shops for nothing. Comrade.

It said countries in the region were producing only between 10 and 25 percent of the amounts that the Center’s research suggested was “biologically possible and economically profitable” with a net return of $200 per hectare (2.5 acres).

Guess where the US is not.

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peabody2018 said:

I find it odd that you imply I am a communist

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Grandpapy said:

Comrade, no more than myself.

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peabody2018 said:

Buying food is not optional for the Chinese. They may purchase some of it elsewhere, but not all of it. Meanwhile, scarcity elsewhere will drive up market prices.

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peabody2018 said:

India and Nigeria import food. Yes, the Chinese can buy food elsewhere, but they will pay more for it. That mass purchase will also drive up prices that other consumers of US food importers pay. What we don’t sell to Chinese, we will sell to others at a higher price.
But claiming I said something I never said, you have proven yourself to be the dumbass.
But we already knew that

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Unclebaldrick said:

We aren't talking about food. We are talking about sorghum which, although edible is used primarily for fodder. Now India and Nigeria will have a massive advantage in selling their sorghum and forging new relationships with China.

If you really think that this is somehow a "win" for the US, you are a bigger dumbass than I thought.

Your assertion that this will benefit other "US food importers" is just insane so I will assume you mean exporters. First off, it depends where india and Nigeria buy their food. Do they import it from the US? How much of it?

If they do, do they buy it from the same farmers currently producing sorghum? No, I guess not.

So what you are saying is that to have a large chunk of Trump's supporters get fucked is ok because the Indians and Nigerians will spend a fraction of their windfall with other US producers. If you believe that the US comes out ahead on this you are truly dumb.

China can easily take the political heat for this whereas your orange savior cannot.

Now it is time for you to knock over the pieces and declare victory.

Are you tired of winning yet?

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peabody2018 said:

India and Nigeria are net importers of food.
I realize this is all over your head so that you don’t understand the difference between import and export, market pressures, etc. and are reduced to insulting others because you can’t comprehend what they are saying.
If this was just due to lack of intelligence, I might forgive such indiscretions, but we all know that these are a reflection of your assholeness

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peabody2018 said:

these are a reflection of your assholeness

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greg nr said:

You don't need to muddy the waters with war crimes committed by rogue troops. I personally have no frame of reference that would let me either condemn or apologize for this type of war crime. It's occurred in virtually every war in human history.

But the national guard is unique because it's largely made up of part time soldiers who are frequently given orders they don't have enough experience to question, nor enough training under stress to control their emotions.

It has led to massacres at kent state most recently, but they date back to the labor movements in the 1800's.

Here is a good primer on what can happen when political interests take a priority over the rule of law.

http://listverse.com/2017/09/14/10-tragic-times-the-us-government-massacred-striking-workers/

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peabody2018 said:

India and Nigeria are net importers of food.
I realize this is all over your head so that you don’t understand the difference between import and export, market pressures, etc. and are reduced to insulting others because you can’t comprehend what they are saying.
If this was just due to lack of intelligence, I might forgive such indiscretions, but we all know that these are a reflection of your assholeness

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Lucky Luke said:

Mid west farmers, are these Trumps die hard lunatic supporters? If so, its a very well thought out tariff. It doesn't effect anybody except the US really and a small number of people at that. I wonder what the next one would be?

Hopefully Australia can sell some more grain etc for animal feed or jump on this type of crop. Its one ive never heard of. Its Autumn here I'm sure some farmers will be looking into this for their rotation.

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Unclebaldrick said:

Awww, how cute. Tty is helping Sergei Lavrov sell the official party line.

I highly recommend that everybody watch BBC's Hard Talk interview with him to see where Tty has been getting his homework assignments. He's so much better at it than Tty.

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-43784550/sergei-lavrov-no-evidence-for-syria-chemical-attack

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