cfl vs hps war ?

alright im kinda new to the growing scene back then for me it was only hps didnt know nothing about envirolite cfl and stuff but 3-4 years ago i start hearing about these envirolites seem intersting to me because of the electricity like everybody else i think
now here is my question
why the war between cfl and hps
people on forums seems to hate
you got the cfl lovers and hps lovers
so i think its pretty confusing for growers wannabe no ?
so here it is can people give theyre yeld per gram under 250 watt cfl and same for hps
then 400 etc etc ...
even small settings
like 70 watt hps vs 70 cfl
without hate please
and if a similar kind of post been done b4 please gimme the link coz i can find any good 1 most of them r like "hps is better thats it"vice versa
not very productive
so thanks for ur interest and for everybody thats gonna participate
peace

I say CFL for veg and HPS for flowering. HPS is way better for flowering because they produced rich in red spectrum.

Its down to economics mate. If you can afford hps go for it, i use hps from seedling right through to finish using a dual spectrum bulb. You will get decent results with cfls but bigger yields and tighter buds with hps. I think the debate over which is better will go on for a long time yet.

hps = tighter buds. i tested and yes its like that.i have some indications that with cfl plant can mature earlier but i am not sure.

Geozander said:

Its down to economics mate. If you can afford hps go for it, i use hps from seedling right through to finish using a dual spectrum bulb. You will get decent results with cfls but bigger yields and tighter buds with hps. I think the debate over which is better will go on for a long time yet.

Click to expand...

thanks mate any idea how much i could get roughly under 200 watt hps vs cfl ?

Geozander said:

Its down to economics mate. If you can afford hps go for it, i use hps from seedling right through to finish using a dual spectrum bulb. You will get decent results with cfls but bigger yields and tighter buds with hps. I think the debate over which is better will go on for a long time yet.

Click to expand...

mazpot said:

I say CFL for veg and HPS for flowering. HPS is way better for flowering because they produced rich in red spectrum.

Click to expand...

thanks mate

mowgly said:

thanks mate any idea how much i could get roughly under 200 watt hps vs cfl ?

Click to expand...

200hps could give you from nothing to 200 gr
200 cfl nothing to 100-125 i think.depends on what you do with your plants enviroment etc and the strain.these are just numbers.

I don't see a war of any kind. Nobody can deny that HPS puts off more lumens per watt. CFL's are more economical, but not a replacement for HPS.

Cr8z13 said:

I don't see a war of any kind. Nobody can deny that HPS puts off more lumens per watt. CFL's are more economical, but not a replacement for HPS.

Click to expand...

i agree war might be a bit strong but u got my point isnt it

I don't see any war or any hate. There are a ton of factors that will stop a grower from getting a quality yield long before the difference between hps and cfl lights becomes a factor. I do not believe cfls are a limitation when I have seen 7 oz dry from each of 4 plants in an 8 gallon simple dwc.

not a war at all.i use both at the same grow.

Dunno if this is right or not but have read on here that a crop grown with cfls takes longer to finish? Have used envirolites for vegging before and had great results, i just find using the hps straight through the grow to be easier, no changing bulbs or light fittings.

Geozander said:

Dunno if this is right or not but have read on here that a crop grown with cfls takes longer to finish? Have used envirolites for vegging before and had great results, i just find using the hps straight through the grow to be easier, no changing bulbs or light fittings.

Click to expand...

I agree. Never heard of envirolights. Fancy name for fluro's? Any hoo. I clone/small sleelings under fluro's. Mh for veg Hps for flower. I like my results

Also don't like idea of having 10 light bulds around one plant when i can just have one.

But i guess at the end of the day it comes down to intent/grow room/initall setup
+running costs/how much love you want to give them.

Hope it helps.

skunkyhead said:

I agree. Never heard of envirolights. Fancy name for fluro's? Any hoo. I clone/small sleelings under fluro's. Mh for veg Hps for flower. I like my results

Also don't like idea of having 10 light bulds around one plant when i can just have one.

But i guess at the end of the day it comes down to intent/grow room/initall setup
+running costs/how much love you want to give them.

Hope it helps.

Click to expand...

CFL = C the Fucking Light and get a mh/hps its worth it if your actually going to spend the time to grow. They are like a space ray compared to peoples rediculous setups involving 20 light bulbs

i think this war will continue forever there are pros and cons for both cfl's are more efficient in colour spectrum and can be closer to the plants but on the over hand with hps theres more lumens and u can get a cooltube to combat the heat. at low watts like 200w and less cfl wins as better use of colour spectrum but as hps increases the wattage it gets more efficient in terms of lumens per watt and totally over rides cfl's. personally i have trouble with heat so its cfl's for me but i think its personal prefference. and to people that say that cfl's are crap i currently have a 20 inch top cola that weighs over an ounce (it weighs 125g so when dry itll be 31ish) that growing under a 300w cfl. and this is my first grow

i use sunleaves satellite IV high output floros.. they are 420w ballasts that use 4 tt-105 bulbs.. each bulb puts off 11,000 lumens.. so 44,000 lumens per ballast... the stay ultra cool.. i have 4 and have never had them hotter than 95F, and thats running everday all day...

i can promise they would smash any 400w hps bulb and might be able to stand up to a 600w as well.. i actually have 4 of these floros and 2 x 400w hps in my veg room right now.. long story but to sum it up i am building a flower room (need more money to finish) and didnt have enough for 2 more floros (500.00 a piece) so i bought 2 x 400w hps to finish lighting..

now.. with the hps lamps i have roasted 4 sprouts and light bleached a few plants.. and thats with air cooled lights a 3 to 4 inches from canopy... with the floros i am able to keep them within an inch or less of the canopy and have never light bleached a plant, roasted any sprouts (even when the lights sit right on them), and the only time i have ever burned a plant is if they have grown into the light and i missed it..

i will post a couple pics of my veg room (i have to flower in it at least 1 more time in order to have the funds to finish my expantion).. this will really show which flowers better since it will literally be a side by side comparison of the floros i have to an equivalent hps light.. all of the girls i have currently growing were started under the floros.. and in order to keep the lights as close as possible to the plants i have had to move them around.. so the larger ones are currently under the hps lights so i can keep the floros closer to the others...

now, the floros are as close to all the plants as i want them to be right now.. only because i have them on a DIY lifting system that lifts the entire row and not just individual lights.. but i would keep them much closer, and will let the girls grow almost into the lights, before i lift them again..

im not trying to hate on hps.. the flower room i am going to have will have hps.. mainly because the floros are too expensive to get the coverage i want.. it would cost me almost 2.5 times the cost of the hps to get the floros... and also because when it comes to large buds you cant beat 1000w hps lights.. but i am trying to say that they are working and do have floros are more than capable to stand up to an hps lamp... and if they ever make a 1000w version of my light i promise i will sell my hps lamps and go for the floro...

think of it like this.. if they had a ballast that held 10 x 11,000 lumen floro bulbs that would be 111,000... lumens are rated at 1 ft away from the object.. so that means if you could keep that floro an inch or two from the canopy you would be getting around 200,000 lumens (using the inverse law)...

if you want to see some other pics you can check my journal or see some of what they do during flowering in the youtube video of my last grow.. both links are below...

I see what ur sayin about the war but mostly the hps users hating cfl growers is what I see, like the post above by smokinskins. I dont get it.

For me there are several factors that make cfl the best option.
1) money
2) the heat put off from hps or mh bulbs which would require more investment in cooling systems and make me more paranoid
3) size of grow. I'm not doing huge grows

Lumens per watt isn't really a good measurement of how good a light is for growing. In the case of HPS lights, the lights have to be further away from the plants than CFLs do, so more light is lost before it can even reach the plant. CFLs can be placed closer to the leaf canopy resulting in less light being lost.

Lumens aren't even an accurate way to measure how much usable light the plants are getting, because lumens are for humans (lumens are how much light we can SEE, not how much light the plants can use), so saying that HPS beats out CFL because it puts out more lumens per watt is ridiculous.

let's not forget, there are so many other factors that go into a good grow. Yeild cannot be projected based on the lights IMHO

Saying that a cfl beats out an hps is ridicuous...

how about we settle this with pics? Any of you hardcore cfl growers have pics of the harvest? come on ... open up your little cupboards and take a pic....

i say cfl is great for the young life of the plant = seeds, clones, vegging. But for flowering? hell no.

Honestly the pepsi challenge would be lost. But hey im down to be proven wrong. if you can tell me the magical formula so i can turn off my 600 watt HPS with all the fans n shit then let me know...

you know to grow out a 4x4 you would need about 64 cfls... thats 4 per square foot ...

64 cfls x 26w per bulb... you get 1664 watts...

hell thats a whole lot more than i use for my grow with my fans n shit...
cfl loose!