cfl vs hps war ?

communistcannabis

communistcannabis

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umm i think the war was over along time ago. HPS are better for flower, however cfl vs mh is debatable in veg mode. More power from MH, CFl can be put very close to the plant, very litte heat from cfl
 
genfranco

genfranco

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doobnVA said:
Lumens per watt isn't really a good measurement of how good a light is for growing. In the case of HPS lights, the lights have to be further away from the plants than CFLs do, so more light is lost before it can even reach the plant. CFLs can be placed closer to the leaf canopy resulting in less light being lost.

Lumens aren't even an accurate way to measure how much usable light the plants are getting, because lumens are for humans (lumens are how much light we can SEE, not how much light the plants can use), so saying that HPS beats out CFL because it puts out more lumens per watt is ridiculous.
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lol... havent you heard of a cooltube? hell or any other closed reflector?

plus the hps has the reach that the cfl doesnt. a cfl you HAVE to put it close.. and you dont get any growth 10 inches down the plant... hps looses more distance than the cfl can ever make....lets get the facts of why cfl looses out there so we can stop these dumb ass threads.
 
laserbrn

laserbrn

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Oh man....here we go again.

I think most have figured out now (besides your little tiny closet growers) that HPS is good for flowering and either MH or floro's are good for vegging.

I use a 6 lamp T5HO 4ft' fixture for veg adn I use a 600w HPS for flowering.

I used to use 400w MH for veg, but my 400w's of floros' stomps it. I get more vigorous growth and it's nothing to cool.
 
Hassan

Hassan

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I just think this shit is hilarious. How bout we all take pics of our dicks and compare sizes as well. I grow bud that gets me real high with a few cheap cfls and thats good enough for me.

There's plenty of cfl grow journals so if ya wanna compare then go have a look.

For some reason HPS people seem to think we all want huge grows and we aren't doing it right. Not the case at all
 
laserbrn

laserbrn

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I wouldn't say "HPS" people. It's just people who want to grow a reasonable amount. If you are 16 years old and you live in your parents house CFL's are great. If you're a grown up and want to grow your own smoke and do it with the least hassle and get the most bang for the buck, go HPS.

You can also go CFL if you don't mind the headache and are stubborn and for some reason just refuse to go get a real light.

hahaha...I just want to insight a riot. But seriously? Who cares...go look at grow journals if you want to figure out which is better.
 
Hassan

Hassan

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haha I undestand doing shit proper and I would if this wasn't illegal or if I wasn't so paranoid. But i prefer to get the job done stealthy with common household items and worry a little less about going to jail.

As long as I'm getting good buds that get me real high I'm all good.
 
mowgly

mowgly

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Hassan said:
I just think this shit is hilarious. How bout we all take pics of our dicks and compare sizes as well. I grow bud that gets me real high with a few cheap cfls and thats good enough for me.

There's plenty of cfl grow journals so if ya wanna compare then go have a look.

For some reason HPS people seem to think we all want huge grows and we aren't doing it right. Not the case at all
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funny quote
 
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Illegal Smile

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I see people routinely get a pound dry from a 10 gal tote and 4 plants with 42w cfls, so it doesn't matter how much others love their hps. If you get good outcomes what inputs you used cease to matter.
 
FrontaLobotomy

FrontaLobotomy

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I've used both, and have had productive results on both. I think it's down to your abilities as a grower that will determine how good your bud is. I have to admit I'm enjoying the use of CFL more, as it makes my electricity bill look much better.
 
laserbrn

laserbrn

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I can't stand CFL's. I was biting my tongue, but they are worthless and annoying. They do the same job, produce the same heat and are just much harder to manage. I just want to put a light at the top of my grow room and cover the space properly. I don't want to play the magical, million chords march and do the whole CFL song and & dance moving lights around all the time to keep them within 2" of the plants.

Why would I want 40 individual lights that will yeild less more than likely and POSSIBLY the same, but certainly not more than my HPS lights?

It doesn't lower the electricity bill as well as people think. I can get more out of a 250w HPS than I can with 250w of CFL's and 250w it's 250w no matter how you slice it.

But I don't hate on others that choose to play the song and dance, to each their own. If you enjoy it and grows you dank sticky than by all means. I ride a sportbike and not a Harly, but I still love everyone on two wheels. I love anyone who grows, soil, hydro, CFL, HPS, LED, DWC, EBB&FLOW, who cares?
 
mowgly

mowgly

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laserbrn said:
I can't stand CFL's. I was biting my tongue, but they are worthless and annoying. They do the same job, produce the same heat and are just much harder to manage. I just want to put a light at the top of my grow room and cover the space properly. I don't want to play the magical, million chords march and do the whole CFL song and & dance moving lights around all the time to keep them within 2" of the plants.

Why would I want 40 individual lights that will yeild less more than likely and POSSIBLY the same, but certainly not more than my HPS lights?

It doesn't lower the electricity bill as well as people think. I can get more out of a 250w HPS than I can with 250w of CFL's and 250w it's 250w no matter how you slice it.

But I don't hate on others that choose to play the song and dance, to each their own. If you enjoy it and grows you dank sticky than by all means. I ride a sportbike and not a Harly, but I still love everyone on two wheels. I love anyone who grows, soil, hydro, CFL, HPS, LED, DWC, EBB&FLOW, who cares?
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thans for ur reply
honest and everything
so if we eliminate the 40 lil light and cords
and replace by one big 250 watts cfl envirolite
would u think twice ?
coz they r easy to find cost about 50 $ us
self ballast allegedly less heat etc
so to me new on the scene it seem pretty interesting but then again if i get twice as much with an hps ill go for hps
my issue r to be able to compare properly
all the cost and result
250 hps vs 250 envirolite
fans
carbon filter the all setting and the return u get yield wise
cost and return
i understand that obviously if u have 1000 watts hps aeroponic etc u will get great result but for a small setting is it really worth it ?
specially when ur tight on budget to begin with

thanks again
 
Hassan

Hassan

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your argument is sound laser; except for ignoring that CFLs are more easily obtained, cheaper and again we dont all need a shitton of watts so not necessarily going to have 40 bulbs.

but yea, we are all growing and thats good nuff for me. Us CFL growers may be the scooter riders but we're still on 2 wheels ;)
 
laserbrn

laserbrn

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I still have my 250w HPS that I used in my closet when I first started growing. I was able to get a QP in 8 weeks from 6 clones under that light. I just don't see a 250w envirolite pulling that off.

It's really a matter of preference. The problem I have seen with most 250w's I've come across (HPS) is that the ballast is built into the hood/reflector so it keeps a lot more heat up high in your grow room. I personally always run my ballasts outside my grow room so as to generate less heat.

If it were me to do all over again and cost was a concern, I would buy a 250w hps and built a DIY cooltube for it. It won't take much a fan to cool it and being air cooled it probably be cooler than a 250w floro.
 
mowgly

mowgly

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qp in 8 weeks dry ?
from seed ?
im interested can u tell me more about ur set up ?
thanks mate
 
Geozander

Geozander

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It was from clones mate. The envirolites are a step up from household cfls but they aint hps. If you want the best from your plants there really is only one way to go.
 
sguardians2

sguardians2

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How is this,
CFL for veg, switch to 600 watt hps for flower. got my cfl set up first, so I don't want to change until flower. Also I only have HPS red bulb, and don't want to spring for another bulb for veg on my first grow.
 
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smokinskins

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sguardians2 said:
How is this,
CFL for veg, switch to 600 watt hps for flower. got my cfl set up first, so I don't want to change until flower. Also I only have HPS red bulb, and don't want to spring for another bulb for veg on my first grow.
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once you get a mh/ hps light you will never go back. 1 is better than 64 and plus you dont have to worry about "losing light because of distance away". c'mon its a space ray! cfls are never better-only cheaper start up cost for a beginner but not even true because mh/hps are more efficient anyway. doing it right first is cheaper and better than trying to rig some elaborate, inferior shit and then buying the real shit later trust me thats what i did
 
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easyhelp1

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i believe in cfl for veg hps or some other high intensity light for flowering. but i dont use the because of power costs and the risk of fire or explosion
 
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