Why are you demonizing China? You think Canada OR the US dont trade with them already? Who the hell do you think we borrowed our entire US debt from? They already have us by the balls, this pipeline doesn't mean shit.
CANADA knocking on CHINA'S door, THANKS DEMOCRATS!!!
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UncleBuck
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i opted for no coal or oil in my electric. costs about 10% more, so i pay about $275 a month for electric rather than $250.
added cost of electric: $25
walking the walk: priceless.
UncleBuck
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farmer and rancher groups are decidedly AGAINST building the pipeline.
WillyBagseed
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Why do you think the pipeline was even offered to be run thru the USA?
Because the Canadians were smart enough to realize it would fuck shit up and wanted it out of their country asap instead of running it to the pacific.
Why do you think most refineries are in the USA? Not to keep our gas prices down, it is because much of the world knows that all the crap they spew will fuck you up. Go check out cancer rates around refineries.
We refine and EXPORT 90% of our oil...... this drill baby drill stupidity does nothing but raise our exports..............
*It all comes down to this: Pipeline = more $$ for Romney and his ilk and more Cancer for the rest of us. It will do absolutely nothing as far as our own gas prices and do very little as far as jobs.
Stop drinking the retards kool aide and do some research. Pipeline has nothing good to offer America, just $$ for greedy wealthy corporations, that is all.
Because the Canadians were smart enough to realize it would fuck shit up and wanted it out of their country asap instead of running it to the pacific.
Why do you think most refineries are in the USA? Not to keep our gas prices down, it is because much of the world knows that all the crap they spew will fuck you up. Go check out cancer rates around refineries.
We refine and EXPORT 90% of our oil...... this drill baby drill stupidity does nothing but raise our exports..............
*It all comes down to this: Pipeline = more $$ for Romney and his ilk and more Cancer for the rest of us. It will do absolutely nothing as far as our own gas prices and do very little as far as jobs.
Stop drinking the retards kool aide and do some research. Pipeline has nothing good to offer America, just $$ for greedy wealthy corporations, that is all.
canuckgrow
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If it were up to this Canadian Neither China or USA would get it. Keep it right here until they come begging then keep the price just low enough to keep from getting invaded and taken over lol.
Harps is bent on us losing some weight and putting on a little more makeup to attract other suiters...Sorry USA...snooze you lose I guess.
Harps is bent on us losing some weight and putting on a little more makeup to attract other suiters...Sorry USA...snooze you lose I guess.
ink the world
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This is a lame argument and kinda baseless.
re you really gonna support taking the land of American citizens through eminent domain so that a foreign company can profit from the oil that it sells to other countries? Typical of the far right, scream bloody murder, invoke bullshit talking points that have 0 factual basis and play up on peoples fear and jingoism,
re you really gonna support taking the land of American citizens through eminent domain so that a foreign company can profit from the oil that it sells to other countries? Typical of the far right, scream bloody murder, invoke bullshit talking points that have 0 factual basis and play up on peoples fear and jingoism,
laughingduck
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That all sound just wonderful, so I can go fill my car up with water now and go to work? If I could the enviro idiots would come after me about the water.
laughingduck
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I don't blame Canada, I blame the idiots here. I think I remember someone talking about the USA being arrogant and a bunch of other big words when he was running for office. I think it is really arrogant of our government to hold this project up and think CA would not find another customer for it.
Dan Kone
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No deal has been signed yet and the pipeline is not dead. Obama will approve it be he wants to use it as leverage in further negotiations. Canada can say whatever the hell they want but when it comes down to it, it's more profitable for them to ship their fuel to the US than China. They'll deal with us. This is just Canada's negotiation tactic.
JustCoasting
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Okay, this might take a bit of stretch for both Canadians and USA'ers but here goes why the Keystone pipeline was a good idea.
It doesn't make sense to refine a product thousands of miles away from the market and then truck or train it to the market in its various commodities. That is, gas, diesel, propane, bunker fuel, etc. Each product needs a different mode of transportation. It makes more sense to pipe the raw product to the market, refine it and then distribute it locally.
Regecting the project for environmental concerns, simply doesn't make sense, because the USA does not have a very particularly stellar record when it comes to protecting the environment. I point to the fiascos in Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico. Although Canada has no such record, it seems that the Canadian environmentalists are over-emphasizing the dangers of the pipeline.
A few jobs in Canada and tons of jobs in the USA. Seems good to me...
It doesn't make sense to refine a product thousands of miles away from the market and then truck or train it to the market in its various commodities. That is, gas, diesel, propane, bunker fuel, etc. Each product needs a different mode of transportation. It makes more sense to pipe the raw product to the market, refine it and then distribute it locally.
Regecting the project for environmental concerns, simply doesn't make sense, because the USA does not have a very particularly stellar record when it comes to protecting the environment. I point to the fiascos in Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico. Although Canada has no such record, it seems that the Canadian environmentalists are over-emphasizing the dangers of the pipeline.
A few jobs in Canada and tons of jobs in the USA. Seems good to me...
Dan Kone
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The environmental concerns are bullshit IMO. We aren't talking about drilling for more oil here or even fracking. We're just talking about bringing resources in from Canada more efficiently.
This is a political game Obama is playing, and I support it 100%. If republicans want a pipeline, they've got to give Obama something he wants. That's how the Washington works. You can hate the game, I do, but I can't blame Obama for playing it. That's the only way he has to get what he needs to put Americans back to work.
UncleBuck
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absolutely false.
what makes economic sense to do, and what we generally do, is sell it to the highest bidder to get the most money. and that is generally not local markets.
so, because we have not performed in a stellar fashion all the time, we should just stop trying altogether? that is not good logic, especially when the victim of such faulty logic would be every farmer, rancher and citizen that depends on the ogallala aquifer for water (which is a shitload of people).