C99 - Chemdog using Useless formula for cheap grows.

BigBuddahCheese

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Some of you followed my last grow that with Dyna-Gro nutes, I am using SuperNatural brand nutes at the present time with excellent results. I found an article that interested me so I decided to do a test and document it here.

I was reading the Useless formula with 3 part GH nutes which I happen to have laying around from a contest win and want to see if cheap nutes can produce the results I am used too with the more "expensive" supposedly better nute brands. Many rave about this formula and I thought I have a C-99 and Chemdog clone I can sacrifice for another one of my experiments.

I will use exclusively the GH 3 part formula for these two plants, as I have grown these strains many times and had excellent results with my more pricey nutes. So.. lets see what we can produce with relatively cheap nutes.

I will use Aqua-shield and voodoo in veg because that is my root maintenance at the moment. I drop the voodoo shortly after inducing flower, and keep up the Aqua-shield throughout the entire flower period.


Here is what these clones are at now, about 2 weeks into veg maybe one more week until I flip.

The nute mixture is as follows for current 2 gallon buckets. I will list them in the order I am mixing and testing. Note this is for about 1.75 gallons so its a bit weaker then Useless's formula as normally these are for p/gallon.

Add 0ppm RO water in my bucket, with PH of 7ish I PH down to about 5.5ph (as the nutes will rise slightly over 24 hour period I have found).

Add 5ml of GH FloraMicro. I let it circulate with the airstone for a couple minutes before adding anything else.

Add 3ml of GH FloraBloom. Again letting it
circulate a few mins before adding the rest.

Add 10ml of GH FloraGrow.

Add the Aqua-shield at 20ml and 2ml of voodoo juice, with 1ml of sweet/sugar daddy for food.


This should come out to about 600-700ppm and PH should be close but I do not adjust for 24 hours to make sure the nutes do their reaction to the water.

I will take you through my whole routine through the curing process including scrogging, harvesting time etc. I do somethings a bit differently or frowned upon as well, but you will see the end results and then make your decision like I did mine.

Here is pics of the C-99. It does have some 1 blade leaves as its re-vegging, its normal I take clones from flowering plants few weeks in.


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Chemdog that is already being trained to scrog and should be put into flower soon. I used to train in flower but I want to see if I can get more out of the scrog training before and into flower. The screen is 20x20 as I have many with this screen in there already for sake of room.

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Lets see if this GH formula can produce yields to my standards, if it does then I have some thinking to do. I am impressed with growth in veg from these two as of now, they are growing as fast and healthy or faster then my other two nutes I currently use.

Enjoy the ride.
 

BigBuddahCheese

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Some of you might ask about the 5 gallon lids on the 2 gallon buckets. Well I transplant into 3.5 gallons in flower at some point and the lid is ready so the root mass can get bigger then the 2" net pot I am using.

YES 2" net pot with just a rapid rooter in there no hydroton or anything else. I use no drip so the spray from the bubbles reach the entire root system now. I just switched to this on my last few grows and seems to be the cats meow for me.

My plants are scrogged so stability is not needed from hydroton or bigger net pots the screen keeps the plant in place.
 

bigbillyrocka

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I use GH flora Duo A&B. Their stuff works well for me as i used to use predominantly the 3 part but then found the Duo line to be superior (compared to their 3part). The duo is just better and cheaper over all. Like you i dont use a drip system and usually never need to transfer into bigger pots since i put my seedlings into their final resting spot, right off the bat. I found it to be easier and far less traumatic to the plants. I'll follow along on your journey. :)
 

BigBuddahCheese

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I use GH flora Duo A&B. Their stuff works well for me as i used to use predominantly the 3 part but then found the Duo line to be superior (compared to their 3part). The duo is just better and cheaper over all. Like you i dont use a drip system and usually never need to transfer into bigger pots since i put my seedlings into their final resting spot, right off the bat. I found it to be easier and far less traumatic to the plants. I'll follow along on your journey. :)
Good to know.. I don't know about the stress going from one size dwc to another seems like the plants would never notice but to each his own. Mine has never wilted or hinted of any stress going from 2 gallons to 3.5/5 gallons. I will see how this fares and then maybe do a duo test as well.

NitroHarley uses the 3 part as well and loves his results so I read Useless's article and had the nutes so thought it was time for a run with couple plants.
 

BigBuddahCheese

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Useless = Lucas formula........?Subbed i use Lucas with GH Micro-Bloom


BEECH
Useless is not Lucas formula as I use all three parts and different npks throughout where Lucas is all the same throughout. At least what I have read on lucas formula I am no expert. I think it's more of a modification if the gh schedule.

I know or at least believe think that plants need different amounts of npk during different stages and with Lucas it's all the same. So ya Lucas works very easily but I want to try this first as it coincides with my npk ratios during different stages. Maybe another test after this one? Lol

Thanks for sharing and looking.
 

bigbillyrocka

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For guys that run GH in lucas formula fashion, the Duo A&B helps with chelation and there really isnt a need to check Ph. Although in some cases, like my new house, id recommend doing so. Im a firm believer in this stuff. Lol
 

SOMEBEECH

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LOL, i was hoping you were not calling the LF useless as ive been doing ok with it just a little bloom booster at flower time.
I like to experiment with nutes get bored real easy just growing.Yea, love ppl doing test ive found alot of BS from there REcc.
ppm and grew a vegger with just rain water and 150ppm max for almost 6 weeks,at tht point added little epson for a deff.and
off to flower.Do you do a clean with a product during grow?For DWC ive been using Florakleen for salt and some other things
and can say im really impressed with it.IMO DWC ppm need to be lower as roots are always in the nutes,oppposed to a flood and
drain


BEECH
 

BigBuddahCheese

New Member
For guys that run GH in lucas formula fashion, the Duo A&B helps with chelation and there really isnt a need to check Ph. Although in some cases, like my new house, id recommend doing so. Im a firm believer in this stuff. Lol
Nice to know. Thanks.

Yes in DWC less is more for sure especially in hotter rooms 84F+
 

projectmayham

Active Member
Buddha, do you really find Supernatural pricey? I ran GH before i ran supernatural, and i found GH more expensive. Price it out, you will see. The reason why i find supernatural cheaper, is because i run it at low ppms. And granted the yeild is better too. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with!
 

BigBuddahCheese

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Buddha, do you really find Supernatural pricey? I ran GH before i ran supernatural, and i found GH more expensive. Price it out, you will see. The reason why i find supernatural cheaper, is because i run it at low ppms. And granted the yeild is better too. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with!
No it's not pricey as price is not a matter for my babies.

I do want to get the best bang for my buck and this is cheaper then that. Don't get me wrong this will have to WOW me to change from supernatural I love the stuff since I been using it.. plants have never been healthier. So.. with that being said I have the room and I am always up for testing "claims" from internet growers I usually don't post them here, but I thought I would for this one.

What ppms are you running it at?

I run mine from 500-800ppm so it does go along way, but I want to try out different methods or soups. I mean I have run Botanicare, FoxFarms, Advanced, Supernatural, DynaGro, Green Planet and some others.. never all the same time just different tests like this. I mean none of them really WOW you over the other its more about ease, plant health and cost for result.

GH near me for the three bottles is about 40 bucks. Supernatural Bloom, Superboost and Bud Igniter are 27 each for 400g except igniter thats 200g. I am not too hip on the powders either but they do work and mix well its the container that clumps is a pain.
 

BigBuddahCheese

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Update 10.09

Both plants are exceeding expectations in growth, neither having issues and loving the nutrient soup at the present time. Roots are exploding and white as rice (although the camera puts bit of yellow tinge to them).

ChemDog (Week 3 Veg)

This plant is growing as well as expected and will be put into flower any day now as the screen is getting about 60-70% full. I like to flip them at this time as I like to take some of the stretch out of it and weave it into the scrog. CD is a great plant to scrog, as it is kind of viney and stretchy, so this takes up a lot of that in the screen.

PPM is 560 : PH is 5.9 - Aquashield/Voodoo Juice

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C99 is also growing big but probably one more week before flip, as the branches need to grow up to screen before I start to train. I am trimming a lot of the "re-veg" leaves off, the single bladers etc. I always do this with no ill effects and it prepares the plant for the raping of fan leaves in the future flower cycle.

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The nutes are keeping everything nice and green without too dark, and the roots seem to love the acidity of the water/nute mix. Keeping them healthy and white with minimal up keep.

I am impressed of the nutrient uptake and the plants health so far, I like how clean and neat it is with the color indicator of some sorts with the different colors of 3 parts. I do use a bit more then supernatural powder per say, but the results seem the same. I have to give the edge to supernatural as you mix it and done with one part, and the usage is a bit less. With that being said, I have to say this GH is growing at a bit higher rate then SN but I use it in low dosages so I might up the PPM of SN to see if it can produce rates a bit higher like this.
 

BigBuddahCheese

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Here is a quick two week ChemDog screen comparison.

This is WITH ME DEFOLIATING 10-12 FAN leaves, YES I start defoliating this early and look at the growth. Hmm ya defoliating in DWC hurts my babies... pffft.

Just another drum pounding for defoliating does not hurt healthy plants, that have available nutrient uptake available and ready.

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projectmayham

Active Member
No it's not pricey as price is not a matter for my babies.

I do want to get the best bang for my buck and this is cheaper then that. Don't get me wrong this will have to WOW me to change from supernatural I love the stuff since I been using it.. plants have never been healthier. So.. with that being said I have the room and I am always up for testing "claims" from internet growers I usually don't post them here, but I thought I would for this one.

What ppms are you running it at?

I run mine from 500-800ppm so it does go along way, but I want to try out different methods or soups. I mean I have run Botanicare, FoxFarms, Advanced, Supernatural, DynaGro, Green Planet and some others.. never all the same time just different tests like this. I mean none of them really WOW you over the other its more about ease, plant health and cost for result.

GH near me for the three bottles is about 40 bucks. Supernatural Bloom, Superboost and Bud Igniter are 27 each for 400g except igniter thats 200g. I am not too hip on the powders either but they do work and mix well its the container that clumps is a pain.

I typically keep it under 1000ppms for the whole cycle. Sometimes i ramp it up to 1200, but its really unnecessary.

Yeah it might be 40$ for the three bottles of GH but your still going to be buying a bunch of additives too. Yeah the clumping can be a pain. I really make sure i seal it back up really well, but even then, ive found old containers in my shed, and it still worked fine. Apparently the terras have a shelf life of like 5 years and the aquas are 3. pretty good by my standards.
 

BigBuddahCheese

New Member
I typically keep it under 1000ppms for the whole cycle. Sometimes i ramp it up to 1200, but its really unnecessary.

Yeah it might be 40$ for the three bottles of GH but your still going to be buying a bunch of additives too. Yeah the clumping can be a pain. I really make sure i seal it back up really well, but even then, ive found old containers in my shed, and it still worked fine. Apparently the terras have a shelf life of like 5 years and the aquas are 3. pretty good by my standards.
Nope no additives for this test.. so that theory is out. I never go above 800ppm in flower so I get even more out of mine. This test is for the straight up test of a product, not about price (even though it's cheap'ish). I am all about less is more, I don't use ANY product that requires additives as for me I don't think it's necessary and if it is I am moving on in products.

Marc.. please someday I hope your mind catches up with your age, as you seem middle-aged moronic if that is even a saying, but if it is not I think I am [h=3]bequeathing you the first. Keep it real homey.. lol[/h]
 

marc88101

Well-Known Member
Nope no additives for this test.. so that theory is out. I never go above 800ppm in flower so I get even more out of mine. This test is for the straight up test of a product, not about price (even though it's cheap'ish). I am all about less is more, I don't use ANY product that requires additives as for me I don't think it's necessary and if it is I am moving on in products.

Marc.. please someday I hope your mind catches up with your age, as you seem middle-aged moronic if that is even a saying, but if it is not I think I am [h=3]bequeathing you the first. Keep it real homey.. lol[/h]
Lol, yep...you nailed it again! Homey!
 

marc88101

Well-Known Member
I love living in middle aged men that act like they are 12 minds, rent free. I don't even have to pay electricity! You are a "special" man, I bet you hear that a lot from mommy when you come up from the basement?!
Nailed it again, your good. I bet you hear that a lot from the gay community. Good for you bro, atleast your comfortable in your own shoes. what is 12 minds? And when did 31 become middle aged? Maybe when you like young boys, 31 seems middle aged. You should really keep that to yourself though, its gross!
 
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