Burglar's relative says: "He could have used a warning shot first..."

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Wilksey

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kpmarine said:
Sounds like they were trying to run according to the undercover that was watching it go down. Go ahead and talk about gunning down unarmed people like killing is something to be celebrated. If you go out of your way to shoot someone who is clearly not a threat to you, then there is something wrong with you.
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/shrug

The account I read is that when confronted by shotgun dude, they moved toward him like they didn't think he would actually shoot.

They were wrong, and the world is a better place for it...
 
robert 14617

robert 14617

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i agree with the law that lets me protect my house ... i don't want my neighbor shooting people in my yard or anyone killing a car thief unless its a carjacker threatening your life
 
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Beagler

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UncleBuck said:
how exactly is a car thief threatening your life in any way?
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Might not be life directly, but the ability to commute to work.
Can't get to work, no paycheck.
It's hard to judge when one is not there IRL, easy to judge after the fact.

Some car theives hijack cars and kill the owners
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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If you shoot a car thief who is not threatening your life, your commute to work will be considerably shortened to the prison laundry.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Beagler said:
Might not be life directly, but the ability to commute to work.
Can't get to work, no paycheck.
It's hard to judge when one is not there IRL, easy to judge after the fact.

Some car theives hijack cars and kill the owners
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i didn't need you to prove that you're stupid, i already knew that.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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kpmarine said:
I thought the name rang a bell, so I looked it up. I remember that case. Some people pick up a gun and think they're John Wayne. That guy came out there with that shotgun looking for trouble. He became an aggressor the moment he left his house and pointed a gun at people outside without any clear risk of severe bodily harm or death. However, it is vastly different from pointing a gun at someone who is already inside your home.
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california's lethal force laws permit the use of deadly force in defense of yourself, your property, and others, AND their property.

somebody breakin into your neighbor's house is just cause for delivering a lead milkshake.
 
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Beagler

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NLXSK1 said:
If you shoot a car thief who is not threatening your life, your commute to work will be considerably shortened to the prison laundry.
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True, it comes down to the life threat.
Better to grab a camera than shoot a person in the back.

Unless you a govt employee, then you can shoot a dog, person, or whatever the hell you want when raiding a home.
Even the wrong home.
 
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Beagler

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UncleBuck said:
i didn't need you to prove that you're stupid, i already knew that.
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Nice to see you tonight.

What is the little boy crying tonight?
Racism, gun nut, he-man-woman-hater, old geezer, or are just insulting the intelligence of those who dare to differ with your opinion?
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
Beagler said:
Nice to see you tonight.

What is the little boy crying tonight?
Racism, gun nut, he-man-woman-hater, old geezer, or are just insulting the intelligence of those who dare to differ with your opinion?
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He usually goes for all of the above while getting drunk...
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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NLXSK1 said:
If you shoot a car thief who is not threatening your life, your commute to work will be considerably shortened to the prison laundry.
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not in california.

i imagine texas' laws are similarly sensible regarding defens of self, property, and your fellow citizens and their property.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=187-199
197. Homicide is also justifiable when committed by any person in
any of the following cases:
1. When resisting any attempt to murder any person, or to commit a
felony, or to do some great bodily injury upon any person; or,
2. When committed in defense of habitation, property, or person,
against one who manifestly intends or endeavors, by violence or
surprise, to commit a felony, or against one who manifestly intends
and endeavors, in a violent, riotous or tumultuous manner, to enter
the habitation of another for the purpose of offering violence to any
person therein; or,
3. When committed in the lawful defense of such person, or of a
wife or husband, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant of such
person, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to
commit a felony or to do some great bodily injury, and imminent
danger of such design being accomplished; but such person, or the
person in whose behalf the defense was made, if he was the assailant
or engaged in mutual combat, must really and in good faith have
endeavored to decline any further struggle before the homicide was
committed; or,
4. When necessarily committed in attempting, by lawful ways and
means, to apprehend any person for any felony committed, or in
lawfully suppressing any riot, or in lawfully keeping and preserving
the peace.

you can shoot a bandito when he is trying to commit a felony (any felony) which includes theft over $25, burglary, vehicle theft, assault, robbery, or any of a variety of crimes which are punishable
by a year in prison or more.

you can also bust a cap at a fleeing criminal who you have witnessed engage in a felony.

ohh snap.
 
kpmarine

kpmarine

Well-Known Member
Wilksey said:
/shrug

The account I read is that when confronted by shotgun dude, they moved toward him like they didn't think he would actually shoot.

They were wrong, and the world is a better place for it...
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It said one ran in the same general compass heading at an angle. If someone has a gun on you and there's no good cover, then your best shot is at an angle on their trigger hand side. It makes you harder to track. I saw no indication the dude was getting charged at.
 
kpmarine

kpmarine

Well-Known Member
Dr Kynes said:
not in california.

i imagine texas' laws are similarly sensible regarding defens of self, property, and your fellow citizens and their property.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=187-199
197. Homicide is also justifiable when committed by any person in
any of the following cases:
1. When resisting any attempt to murder any person, or to commit a
felony, or to do some great bodily injury upon any person; or,
2. When committed in defense of habitation, property, or person,
against one who manifestly intends or endeavors, by violence or
surprise, to commit a felony, or against one who manifestly intends
and endeavors, in a violent, riotous or tumultuous manner, to enter
the habitation of another for the purpose of offering violence to any
person therein; or,
3. When committed in the lawful defense of such person, or of a
wife or husband, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant of such
person, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to
commit a felony or to do some great bodily injury, and imminent
danger of such design being accomplished; but such person, or the
person in whose behalf the defense was made, if he was the assailant
or engaged in mutual combat, must really and in good faith have
endeavored to decline any further struggle before the homicide was
committed; or,
4. When necessarily committed in attempting, by lawful ways and
means, to apprehend any person for any felony committed, or in
lawfully suppressing any riot, or in lawfully keeping and preserving
the peace.

you can shoot a bandito when he is trying to commit a felony (any felony) which includes theft over $25, burglary, vehicle theft, assault, robbery, or any of a variety of crimes which are punishable
by a year in prison or more.

you can also bust a cap at a fleeing criminal who you have witnessed engage in a felony.

ohh snap.
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Yeah, I could have shot that kid carrying a pot plant of mine and been in the clear. That doesn't make it right. I feel like I shouldn't have to tell someone who smokes weed that there are more than a few fucked up laws.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Dr Kynes said:
not in california.

i imagine texas' laws are similarly sensible regarding defens of self, property, and your fellow citizens and their property.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=187-199
197. Homicide is also justifiable when committed by any person in
any of the following cases:
1. When resisting any attempt to murder any person, or to commit a
felony, or to do some great bodily injury upon any person; or,
2. When committed in defense of habitation, property, or person,
against one who manifestly intends or endeavors, by violence or
surprise, to commit a felony, or against one who manifestly intends
and endeavors, in a violent, riotous or tumultuous manner, to enter
the habitation of another for the purpose of offering violence to any
person therein; or,
3. When committed in the lawful defense of such person, or of a
wife or husband, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant of such
person, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to
commit a felony or to do some great bodily injury, and imminent
danger of such design being accomplished; but such person, or the
person in whose behalf the defense was made, if he was the assailant
or engaged in mutual combat, must really and in good faith have
endeavored to decline any further struggle before the homicide was
committed; or,
4. When necessarily committed in attempting, by lawful ways and
means, to apprehend any person for any felony committed, or in
lawfully suppressing any riot, or in lawfully keeping and preserving
the peace.

you can shoot a bandito when he is trying to commit a felony (any felony) which includes theft over $25, burglary, vehicle theft, assault, robbery, or any of a variety of crimes which are punishable
by a year in prison or more.

you can also bust a cap at a fleeing criminal who you have witnessed engage in a felony.

ohh snap.
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shooting someone who steals the $26 pile of old tires off your lawn and flees is not sensible, kynes.
 
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Beagler

Active Member
Well, it is getting late for this old geezer.
In a few hours I need to awake, pee, put firewood in the stove, and wander about the house from room to room.

Good night, "Little Boy Who Cries Wolf".
Tell mommy (your wife) to leave the night light on so the monsters don't cause you nightmares.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Beagler said:
Well, it is getting late for this old geezer.
In a few hours I need to awake, pee, put firewood in the stove, and wander about the house from room to room.

Good night, "Little Boy Who Cries Wolf".
Tell mommy (your wife) to leave the night light on so the monsters don't cause you nightmares.
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don't have nightmares about obamaphones and arabs, ya old coot.
 
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Wilksey

Well-Known Member
kpmarine said:
It said one ran in the same general compass heading at an angle...
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Was he supposed to wait until the guy got close?

Used kung-fu?

Fuck that.

I'm not going to shoot a motherfucker for property....more than likely...not for any major concern over the thief, mind you, but just to avoid the g'damn legal hassle. However, I've got NO problem whatsoever for those that would, in jurisdictions where it is indeed legal to do so.

I would rather see dead thieves than ripped off citizens.

Hell, the g'damn government will send men with guns to try and lock you in a cage if THEY don't get "THEIRS", and if you resist, they'll shoot your ass dead. If it's good enough for the government, it's good enough for citizens trying to defend themselves, their families, and their possessions.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
kpmarine said:
Yeah, I could have shot that kid carrying a pot plant of mine and been in the clear. That doesn't make it right. I feel like I shouldn't have to tell someone who smokes weed that there are more than a few fucked up laws.
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since your pot plant is technically a "felony" under federal law you have no right to defend your dope.

you DO have the right (and to my mind the obligation) to drop the hammer on a carjacker, armed robber, mugger, rapist, car thief or burglar trying to jack your neighbor's shit.

i would hope they would do the same for me.
 
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