Bubblelicious, New York Power Diesel, and Super Skunk in DWC

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Bob Smith

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Integra21 said:
will be interesting to see. Thanks for the pics. girls are looking nice and healthy. waiting patiently just like you to see some buds form. With your new idea, I'm sure you will have succes, but remember, it will probly be much more work to maintain. It will be a lot of work to maintain mothers capable of giving you that mass of clones, tel alone all of the time and effort cutting all of those little bastards and getting them rooted. Have you flowered 4-6" clones before. they grow a lot more than you might think. A 4"clone can easily grow to 3ft by the time the stretch is over. I know I sound like a broken record, but a respectable number of medium sized plants in a scrog still seems like it could do wonders for you. But I'm here to support and help if I can no mater which way you go. Waiting is awe to see 150 baby girls kickin in your tray. Make sure you post how that cos adventure goes, so far it sounds lilke the required tools for you will be a face shiels and some gloves. If I dont hear fro you in the next few days, I'll assume your at the er trying to get your arm reattched. JK, much love and good luck.
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I need something that will finish at about 12-15" tall with my current height requirement, and that's about a 4" clone. FYI, there's no clone that's going from 5" to 3' unless it's Neville's Haze or some other ungodly sativa - I'll be working with indica dominant strains, and think that height will work out fine.

And as far as mothers go, that's just keeping about 20 mothers in 6" pots in my top tray, and then rooting the 160ish clones in some humidity domes in my bottom tray - won't take me more then an hour tops to cut those clones, and then there's no work - pour a cup of water in each humidity dome each day, takes about a minute.

Once they're all rooted, put them in the flowering tent for a day, maybe two tops (until they're 4"), then flower them out - should finish at right about a foot (shoot for about 7 grams per plant, although 5 would be okay).

And what do you mean by "cos adventure"? I'm assuming "cos" = "co2", and you're referring to this?

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Got here about two minutes ago, and I'm thinking this might be easier then I initially thought - forgot that the CO2 only escapes out of that 4" by 7" hole (thought it just left the generator will nilly), so it shouldn't be too hard to hook a fan up to it, and I probably don't need to build a box around it (like I did when I thought the CO2 escaped from all sides).

This should be pretty easy, would like to get it done tomorrow.
 
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Integra21

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unfortunately, unless you have a 100% indica, i think you will still breach your height requirements. It is an unexplained phenomenon when flowering small rooted clones that they do not fit the general rule of growing 2-3x their size in flower, but generally much, much higher of a ratio when compared to the original size. I put my blue kush clones into flower some were doing better than others with a height of between 5-8", and in the pic, you can see that only one of them is 8" tall and the other 5 are more around 5-6"
Just a feww weeks into flower I had 3 foot beasts that I wasnt ready for that completely filled out my screen. This is an indica dominant Kush strain that generally doesnt grow over 3-4' tall during flower. No one has really come up with an exact explanation of why this tremendous growth occurs, but like clockwork, it hapens every time.
now in this pic, you can see the exact same clones 3 weeks later that grew to roughly 6-7x their original size in a matter of 3 weeks. When you do the 150 clones and flower them, expect 150 plants that are 2-3" tall. Which brings me bact to the scrog again. The easiest way I know if to be ablt to fit a 6ft plant into a 2 ft space.
 
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Integra21

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Bob Smith said:
I need something that will finish at about 12-15" tall with my current height requirement, and that's about a 4" clone. FYI, there's no clone that's going from 5" to 3' unless it's Neville's Haze or some other ungodly sativa - I'll be working with indica dominant strains, and think that height will work out fine.

And as far as mothers go, that's just keeping about 20 mothers in 6" pots in my top tray, and then rooting the 160ish clones in some humidity domes in my bottom tray - won't take me more then an hour tops to cut those clones, and then there's no work - pour a cup of water in each humidity dome each day, takes about a minute.

Once they're all rooted, put them in the flowering tent for a day, maybe two tops (until they're 4"), then flower them out - should finish at right about a foot (shoot for about 7 grams per plant, although 5 would be okay).

And what do you mean by "cos adventure"? I'm assuming "cos" = "co2", and you're referring to this?

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Got here about two minutes ago, and I'm thinking this might be easier then I initially thought - forgot that the CO2 only escapes out of that 4" by 7" hole (thought it just left the generator will nilly), so it shouldn't be too hard to hook a fan up to it, and I probably don't need to build a box around it (like I did when I thought the CO2 escaped from all sides).

This should be pretty easy, would like to get it done tomorrow.
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yes, just hit s instead of 2. In the post above, keep in mind that the 16" the plants are sticking above the screen is after they run horizontally for 4-10in. thos plants started at 5" and went to just under 3ft in 3 weeks. also note that the shortest clones ended up being the tallest plants.
 
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rbahadosingh

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bob the 144 plants sounds interesting. but im wondering how you are going to fit that many plant in a 4x4 tray. what size rockwool will you be using? and what strain??
 
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Bob Smith

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Integra21 said:
unfortunately, unless you have a 100% indica, i think you will still breach your height requirements. It is an unexplained phenomenon when flowering small rooted clones that they do not fit the general rule of growing 2-3x their size in flower, but generally much, much higher of a ratio when compared to the original size. I put my blue kush clones into flower some were doing better than others with a height of between 5-8", and in the pic, you can see that only one of them is 8" tall and the other 5 are more around 5-6"
Just a feww weeks into flower I had 3 foot beasts that I wasnt ready for that completely filled out my screen. This is an indica dominant Kush strain that generally doesnt grow over 3-4' tall during flower. No one has really come up with an exact explanation of why this tremendous growth occurs, but like clockwork, it hapens every time.
now in this pic, you can see the exact same clones 3 weeks later that grew to roughly 6-7x their original size in a matter of 3 weeks. When you do the 150 clones and flower them, expect 150 plants that are 2-3" tall. Which brings me bact to the scrog again. The easiest way I know if to be ablt to fit a 6ft plant into a 2 ft space.
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Hmmmmmm...............not doubting the veracity of your pics, but that still seems funny - worst comes to worst, I can just take clones and flower them immediately, which I did with a sativa, super skunk, and indica clone this time around - took about 10" clones and they're all about 16" right now, and seem to be done stretching.

Anyways, I really appreciate your input on this, and in hindsight (like five minutes after I got done cutting my plants) probably could've maximized my yield with a SCROG this time around, but that's just not something I'm really interested in doing, truthfully.

I came into this game as a SOG man, and goddammit I'll leave as a SOG man ;-)
 
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Bob Smith

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rbahadosingh said:
bob the 144 plants sounds interesting. but im wondering how you are going to fit that many plant in a 4x4 tray. what size rockwool will you be using? and what strain??
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No rockwool kiddo, straight hydroton - will be using the same 3.5" plastic pots that I'm cloning in above.

Also, to both you and Integra, if 4-6" clones get too tall, I could simply take smaller clones, like the 1-2" inches I took in my bubble cloner, and flower them as soon as roots show - that would keep them all at about 12" tall and be perfect for me.

Of course, there are other "fixes" to my problem, such as lowering my tray, getting a new reflector (upgrading to two Magnum XXL 8" for my next tent, so could just get one early, but that would necessitate moving my filter, fans, and all kinds of other shit.

Plus, now that I'm the only kid on my block with a two level E&F veg tent, I'd like to be the only kid on my block flowering nine plants per square foot.
 
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For spamming my own thread, but this CO2 generator setup seems like it might be a breeze - gonna hang it from a crossbeam, and hopefully will be totally setup with it by the weekend - surely these are famous last words, but it seems like "it's gonna be easy".

Oh, also setup my ozone generator a half hour ago - too early to tell if it's working, but I've got confidence in it.
 
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Integra21

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no doubt bob, and if they start to over grow your space, you can just start pulling the worst looking ones out until the problem is fixed. I'm suprised nobody chimed in about the clone height thing. I thought it was fairly common knowledge, there's a few pages explaining exactly what I said and showed in Jorge Cervantes Grow Bible. Originally when I flowered my kush I was doing it for the same reasons as you, because my white widows got flowered at 14" and over grew my screen, so I fugured I'd just fix that by smaller clones and had almost identical reuults as with the WW it terms of size. I reread the grow bible, and the theory on why they do that is the plants have a predetermined minimum flower size in their genetics that they will try to reach no mater how small the clone is. and the only way to keep them under that size is by mistreatment such as over or under feeding, cold temps, or very low co2 levels or light levels.If you have a rooted clone, you might want to try one out first and see how big she gets, just so you have a good idea and might have to rething your numbers accordingly. Makes me sad about the scrog, but to each their own, it;s not like it's the first time you said you didnt really want to do it. You have been constantly geeting better since day one, so I'm sure you will figure out a way to make your dream sog work. Still sitting here enjoying the show. Make sure you get shots of that clone army as well, I have never seen so many as your shooting for, so it will be a nice change of pace, since I only cut about 8 at a time. How the co2 going, got it out of the box yet?
 
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Bob Smith

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Integra21 said:
no doubt bob, and if they start to over grow your space, you can just start pulling the worst looking ones out until the problem is fixed. I'm suprised nobody chimed in about the clone height thing. I thought it was fairly common knowledge, there's a few pages explaining exactly what I said and showed in Jorge Cervantes Grow Bible. Originally when I flowered my kush I was doing it for the same reasons as you, because my white widows got flowered at 14" and over grew my screen, so I fugured I'd just fix that by smaller clones and had almost identical reuults as with the WW it terms of size. I reread the grow bible, and the theory on why they do that is the plants have a predetermined minimum flower size in their genetics that they will try to reach no mater how small the clone is. and the only way to keep them under that size is by mistreatment such as over or under feeding, cold temps, or very low co2 levels or light levels.If you have a rooted clone, you might want to try one out first and see how big she gets, just so you have a good idea and might have to rething your numbers accordingly. Makes me sad about the scrog, but to each their own, it;s not like it's the first time you said you didnt really want to do it. You have been constantly geeting better since day one, so I'm sure you will figure out a way to make your dream sog work. Still sitting here enjoying the show. Make sure you get shots of that clone army as well, I have never seen so many as your shooting for, so it will be a nice change of pace, since I only cut about 8 at a time. How the co2 going, got it out of the box yet?
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Outta the box, attached the propane tubing to it, and really all I need to do is mount it and attach it to a propane tank, I believe (and light the pilot).

Then it's just a matter of setting up the 4" inline and the ducting to bring the CO2 into the tent.
 
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Integra21

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Super Sweet. And this is not the hydrogen, right? Did you just figure out a way to rig ducting to it? I wonder how hot the air in the ducting will get to, so if it gets hot, let me know. at least if it is hot, it will probly be beneficial in these winter months. my buddys room we actually pt a heater in because the temps were lingering around 67F. Never thought I'd have to add heat to an indoor grow.
 
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I forgot to ask what temps you run in your flower room, just because when I actually get my generator, i was going to shoot for 84F to see if it made a difference over the 75F it runs at currently. I know everything says higher temps are wanted with co2, but I have been very hesitant with mine on a timer and not a controller.
 
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No, it's not the HydroGen, although I'll probably get one of those in the summertime, methinks.

And yeah, there's actually a piece of ducting at Home Depot that I've already got in my head that will be perfect for ducting the CO2 from the generator to the tent - as far as heat goes, that's gonna be anyone's guess, but with how cheap propane is, I can have my cooling running while my CO2's running, which should help mitigate things.

FYI, I run about 80F, and have the cooling come on at 82F.
 
rbahadosingh

rbahadosingh

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Bob Smith said:
No rockwool kiddo, straight hydroton - will be using the same 3.5" plastic pots that I'm cloning in above.

Also, to both you and Integra, if 4-6" clones get too tall, I could simply take smaller clones, like the 1-2" inches I took in my bubble cloner, and flower them as soon as roots show - that would keep them all at about 12" tall and be perfect for me.

Of course, there are other "fixes" to my problem, such as lowering my tray, getting a new reflector (upgrading to two Magnum XXL 8" for my next tent, so could just get one early, but that would necessitate moving my filter, fans, and all kinds of other shit.

Plus, now that I'm the only kid on my block with a two level E&F veg tent, I'd like to be the only kid on my block flowering nine plants per square foot.
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i would love to see that happen bob and see how they turn out.

i flowered some clones str8 after they were rooted and they all turned out to be dwarfs. they didnt grow properly and my yield suffered greatly. i always advise people to veg for atleast a little while just to get the roots going pretty well. but now that i think about it if i did 144 my yield would have been ALOT better. it might turn out well because of the amount of clones you plan on doing......
 
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rbahadosingh said:
i would love to see that happen bob and see how they turn out.

i flowered some clones str8 after they were rooted and they all turned out to be dwarfs. they didnt grow properly and my yield suffered greatly. i always advise people to veg for atleast a little while just to get the roots going pretty well. but now that i think about it if i did 144 my yield would have been ALOT better. it might turn out well because of the amount of clones you plan on doing......
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Rbaha, you flower at ~8" and end up at about 18", correct? Is that about right?

And as far as the vegging aspect, I could just take mini (1/2") clones (would actually be easier to keep them uniform this way), and veg them until they were all 3-4" tall and then flower, although I might have to flower before that, even.

Regardless, if I flower too late and they get too crowded, won't be a big deal to cull some of them.
 
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Firstly, that little ozone generator is the shit - the garage used to smell once you got inside it, now it smells like pure nothing - straight nothing, it's actually kinda unbelievable something that small could work so well (I'm not a paid endorser, FYI).

Secondly, just ordered another 100 of the 3.5" pots, should be here within a couple of days.

Thirdly, need to find somewhere that has 2x2 foot plastic trays to hold the plants (make rotating them much, much easier - just turn each tray 90 degrees each day and that's it) - I'll need these whether I decide to do 64 or 144, so if anyone knows where to them, that'd be awesome.

Finally, heading to Home Depot to grab a propane tank and that special ducting piece which I think will work perfectly with this generator - hope to have pics up later, but more likely tomorrow.
 
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Bob Smith said:
Finally, heading to Home Depot to grab a propane tank and that special ducting piece which I think will work perfectly with this generator - hope to have pics up later, but more likely tomorrow.
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Looking forward to seeing how you do it.
 
rbahadosingh

rbahadosingh

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Bob Smith said:
Rbaha, you flower at ~8" and end up at about 18", correct? Is that about right?

And as far as the vegging aspect, I could just take mini (1/2") clones (would actually be easier to keep them uniform this way), and veg them until they were all 3-4" tall and then flower, although I might have to flower before that, even.

Regardless, if I flower too late and they get too crowded, won't be a big deal to cull some of them.
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yeah thats about right bob. I think this time they should finish right about that height. maybe a little shorter.

and yeah you could take the mini clones and veg for a few days to a week. i think that would work out well.
 
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Bob Smith

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rbahadosingh said:
yeah thats about right bob. I think this time they should finish right about that height. maybe a little shorter.

and yeah you could take the mini clones and veg for a few days to a week. i think that would work out well.
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So you think that flowering at 3-4" would give me the 12" finished height that I'm looking for, correct?
 
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