Best soil mix?(+rep for good sug.

Chumlie

Well-Known Member
Hockeymany now do add the recipe 1 to LC soilless mix 1? What could I use to replace the liquid karma?

I read this on IC...

"Here are some tried and true recipes for getting started in organic growing. Pick one of the first two soiless mix recipes for your grow medium. Then, choose a nute recipe that will work best for what you have available.

Enjoy...

Here are two very good organic soiless mixes...

LC's Mix is great for any stage of growth. You can germ seeds in it, grow mothers in it, root clones in it as well as veg and flower in it.

LC’s Soiless Mix #1:
5 parts Canadian Spaghnam Peat or Coir or Pro-Moss
3 parts perlite
2 parts wormcastings or mushroom compost or home made compost
Powdered (NOT PELLETIZED) dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.
...Wal-Mart now sells worm castings.

Or, if you use Pro Mix or Sunshine Mix...
LC's Soiless Mix #2:
6 parts Pro Mix BX or HP / Sunshine Mix (any flavor from #1 up)
2 parts perlite
2 parts earthworm castings
Powdered (NOT PELLETIZED) dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.
If you use a 3 qt. saucepan as “parts” in the amounts given above, it equals about 1 cu. ft. of soiless mix and you can just dump in a cup of powdered dolomite lime.
But, a "part" can be anything from a tablespoon to a five gallon bucket. Just use the same item for all of the "parts".

Now for the plants organic food source

Choose one of these organic plant food recipes to add to LC's Soiless Mix.

RECIPE #1
If you want to use organic nutes like blood, bone and kelp...
Dry Ferts:
1 tablespoon blood meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
2 tablespoons bone meal per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
1-tablespoon kelp meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix or Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract as directed
1 tablespoon per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of Jersey Greensand to supplement the K (potasium) in the Kelp Meal and seaweed extract.
Mix all the dry ferts into the soiless mix well and wet it, but don't soak it with Liquid Karma and water @ 1 tbs./gal. Stir and mix it a few times a week for a week or two so the bacteria can get oxygen and break down the bone meal and make it available. And don't let the mix dry out, keep it moist and add water as needed. It'll also have time to get the humic acids in the Liquid Karma going and the dolomite lime will be better able to adjust the pH of a peat based mixture too.
With this recipe, all you need to do is add plain water until harvest.
When I'm working with seeds, I punch a hole in the bottom of 16 ounce cups and fill them with plain LC's Mix. Lightly wet the mix in the cups and germ one seed in each cup. At the same time I mix enough LC's mix along with the blood/bone/kelp to fill all the 3 gallon flower pots I'm going to use for the grow. After about two weeks, the seedlings and the blood/bone/kelp mix are ready. I transplant the seedlings into the 3 gallon pots and just add water until harvest.
When you go to flower and pull up the males, save the mix in the pots. It is ready to be used again immediately. Just remove the root ball and transplant another seedling into it.

RECIPE #2
If you want to use guano in your soil mix...
Bongaloid's Guano Mix.
Use all these items combined with one gallon of soil mix.
1/3C hi N Guano (Mexican Bat Guano)
1/2C hi P Guano (Jamaican or Indonesian Bat Guano)
1TBS Jersey Greensand
1TBS Kelp Meal


RECIPE #3 (My favorite)
If you want to use guano tea and kelp...

Guano Tea and Kelp:

Seedlings less than 1 month old nute tea mix-
Mix 1 cup earthworm castings into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
Add 5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses.
Use it to water your seedlings with every 3rd watering.

Veg mix-
1/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano (PSG)
1/3 cup High N Bat Guano (Mexican)
1/3 cup Earth Worm Castings (EWC)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 1 cup of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with every 3rd watering.

Flowering nute tea mix:
2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 2 cups of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with EVERY watering.

You can use queen size knee high nylon stockings for tea bags. 3 pair for a dollar at the dollar store. Tell 'em you use them for paint strainers. Put the recommended tea in the stocking, tie a loop knot in it and hang it in your tea bucket. The tea should look like a mud puddle. Agitate the bag in the water vigorously. An aquarium pump and air stone will dissolve oxygen into the solution and keep the good bacteria (microherd) alive and thriving. Let it bubble a day or two before you use it. If you find you are making too much tea and having to throw it out, use 2 1/2 gallons of water and cut the nute amount by half.


RECIPE #4
Three Little Birds Method
40 gallons used soil
4 cups alfalfa meal
4 cups bone meal
4 cups kelp meal
4 cups powdered dolomite lime
30 pound bag of earthworm castings . . .
That’s the basic recipe . . .
However we also like to use
4 cups of Greensand
4 cups of Rock Phosphate
4 cups of diatomaceous earth


RECIPE #5
Fish and Seaweed (This is sooo easy)

For veg growth…
1 capful 5-1-1 Fish Emulsion
1 capful Neptune's Harvest 0-0-1 Seaweed or Maxicrop liquid
1 gallon H2O

For early flowering…
1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-3-1 Fish/Seaweed
1 gallon H2O

For mid to late flowering…
1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-4-1 Fish
1 gallon H2O



Hope this helps
 

The Warlord

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outdoor soil mix recipe. just add water

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Heres another good outdoors soil mix.


Base soil mix:

1 part bagged soilmix (i like Fox farms)
1 part compost
1 part earthworm castings
1 part perlite

Add the following to each 5 gallons of above mix:

3 tablespoons greensand
4 level tablespoons bone meal
3 level tablespoons bloodmeal
4 tablespoons kelp meal
4 tablespoons granular dolomite lime
6 tablespoons dry 5-5-5 fertilizer (fox farms?)
2 tablespoons powdered rock phosphate

mix together and water down. Then let set 2 weeks before planting.


Hope this helps someone looking for a soil mix!:mrgreen:
 

can.i.buz

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Wow, I guess I'm a bad mother! I don't do anything complicated. Just a bag of local soil that is clean green certified organic and LOCAL, 1 part perlite, 1/2 part spagum moss and then sand on top for bug control and reflection. I usually do at least one plain water before I add anything to let the plants enjoy the rich soil. Yesterday I took a tarp off some soil that I put on the night before and there was 5" mushrooms growing out of it. I think it may be ok.

Check out my journal for pics.
 

DMC65

Member
Here is what i posted on another forum. It has worked well for me.

Switching from a typical potting soil found at Home Depot to an expensive soil found at hydro shops has been huge for my outdoor grows. Here is my current mix:

5 parts Foxfarm Ocean Forest
2 parts Foxfarm Happy Frog
1 1/2 part perlite
3/4 part earthworm castings
1/2 part bat guano

I will also try some various organic nutes along the way but not too much. This mix drains very well but remains moist when it gets super hot.
 

timbo1212

Active Member
Hi I need a organic soil mix specifically for Bloom only as I will transplant my girls in lager pots for the 2months of bloom. The veg is done and thus l dont need too much nitrogen. Please advise.
 

StlSoldier531

Active Member
CANinBIZ...... Tried, True, Cheap & Effective -> 50 percent well aged compost (bagged is OK), 30 percent peat moss or 30 percent well rinsed coco coir, 10 percent perlite, 10 percent worm castings.
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Positives : Cheap to mix up, seedlings can be transplanted into it with no chance of burn. Will carry Mary for two weeks with nothing but water. All ingredients available at Home Depot, Lowes, Wal-mart....etc....
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Negatives : requires 15 minutes of your time to mix it up...... that's work to some people (to me that's outdoor therapy).....
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Start Low, Build as you Go.......
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Then later, feed Mary some wholesum all Organic Fert Teas.......
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See thread - Makin Tea is EZ & Cheap in the Organics Threads..... here is a link :
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https://www.rollitup.org/organics/93913-making-tea-ez-cheap.html
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Hope this helps.... simple is good.....
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Two weeks? That's it..lol....two weeks is not exactly a lot of time...
 

Filthy Phil

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Here is a soil recipe that I have recently updated...

Soil consisting of 15% worm castings,15%perlite or vermiculite, 70% additive free potting soil (or I suppose Ocean forest or happy frog, just so long as the additives are not chemical such as in miracle grow, this will offset your nutrients....).

to each gallon add 2 TBSP bonemeal, 2 TBSP Alfalfa Meal (chunks and pellets removed) 1-2 tsp Bat Guano (1 if its high nitrogen guano) 1 TBSP Kelp Meal. Let it sit a few days to a week, check PH, adjust accordingly. If you really want to get fancy and go all the way, add some michorizal and bacterial spores to the soil, they can be bought online or at a good nursery.

Bonemeal will supply some nitrogen, plenty of phosphorous, good calcium. Alfalfa has a natural plant hormone called tricholine in it, as well as a nicely ballanced NPK with a good supply of Potassium. Guano is vollatile but effective. Kelp Meal supplies 60+ micronutrients and is all around good. The bacterial and michorizal spores are natures true catalyst and one of the most commonly overlooked components to weed that brings the funk.

These additives and the overall soil recipe might not look cheap on paper, but as an investment toward something of fineness that we all have a deep appreciation for, the investment is minimal compared to the reward. Dont go cheap, dont go lazy, go the extra mile, put in the love and in the end your plants will show you the results of your behavior.

Also, with a full soil mix, be carefull adding suplementary feeding fertilizers especially if they are chemical. less is more, but perfection is perfection.
 

Mazar i Shariff

Active Member
Happy Frog Soil is great

Roots Organics Soil is another

Or I like to do my own mix:

Soil
Perlite
Peat Moss
Vermiculite
Steer Manure
Garden Lime
Blood Meal
Bone Meal
Seaweed Extract
Kelp Meal
Earthworm Castings
Bat Guanos

Hope this helps!

One love
 

Aga Khan

Member
I agree the recipes shown are good and work well. However, to grow organic is not merely a matter of just using organic ingredients. A true organic farmer needs to use ingredients that are sustainable also. Peat and sphagnum moss while organic are certainly not a sustainable product to use, given that it takes 3,000 years to make a second harvest of a peat bog. Add to that the incredible amount of damage caused to the ecosystem in order to harvest peat I would suggest using sphagnum and peat free mixes. Coconut coir is much better choice.

Also steer manure is a terrible choice for feeding. Unless you raise the steers yourself and compost the manure yourself you risk burning your plants and adding a significant amount of salts to your soil by using steer manure. The reason for this is 99% of the beef raised in the world is fed by chemical fertilized food and they have been given various other chemicals to stimulate growth and vaccinate them from disease. So unless you get your manure from a certified grower or from beef you raised organically stay away from steer manure. Any animal manure needs to be composted properly before adding to the soil mix whether bat guano or chicken manure or steer manure.
 

Aga Khan

Member
Earthworm castings are an excellent choice by the way. But earthworm castings can vary wildly in nutrient value. Just as the old computer tech saying, "garbage in... garbage out" holds true, the same is true for earthworm castings. There are quite a few sellers out there who list what they feed their worms. If you raise your own pay attention to what you feed them. Sure they will make castings from news print. But seriously, do you really think news papers will feed your ladies what they need? The castings I buy also have some eggs in them. So when you dig your fingers into the soil in my pots you usually get a few worms too. Worms keep the soil loose and airy and... they turn the mulch into feed that they disperse in the soil around the roots. After harvest when I dump the soil and root ball into my compost pile the dead roots become feed for the worms too. For shorter grows worms in the potting soil are not of much importance. Mothers however stay very happy and healthy with worms. Feeding mothers becomes a matter of just laying a high quality mulch on the surface and letting the worms turn it into food. A good top dressing of Azomite (A-Z of minerals and trace elements) is highly reccomended for all your plants. Just a couple tablespoons per pot and loosely mixed into the surface at transplant time.
 

Tmac4302

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I will swear my life on Subcool's Super Soil. You will never go wrong if your properly mix the Super Soil. Hydroponic like growth with 100% Organic taste/smell. Pretty soon, it will be the only thing I use till the day I die. Promise.

I actually planning on digging up both my flower bed and my veggie garden and replacing it with his super soil recipe. I bet I would get amazing crops.
 

SupraSPL

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I am a fan of super soil style growing. It makes a lot of sense to have the ferts mixed in and cooked rather than trying to water them in. On a long enough time line it is time consuming pita mixing nutes at every watering. Now I aim to have just enough ferts in the soil to use plain water the whole way. The only exceptions being blackstrap molasses and microbial tea.

Roots Organic soil has a decent amount of ferts to begin with and LOTS are added to make super soil. IMHO Adding guano teas to super soil may be overkill for some varieties. You will know if you end up with a finished plant that is still dark dark green. From my experience slightly faded plants require little to no curing other than to even out the moisture and smoke very smooth.
 

farmerjoe420

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So, I've been growing for a few years now and have gotten pretty good at it, woulden't call myself a pro but i'm better than most growers I know. I like to try new ways to grow all the time, including a fail outdoor areo ponic system and a nice out hydro ponic system out door setup that I sold to my friend. I myself am mainly an outdoor grower myself because I can't afford soil, manure, ferts., and organic replents for 50+ plants and lights, humdifiers and etc.

So what do you guys would think be the best soil mix, i'm not so much interested in the yeild as much as I am growing it meet its full potential. Like I said with 50+ plants, i'm not worried about qauntity as qaultiy bud so I plan on straight organics. I don't mean somthinmg like "get fox farm" I want A soil recipe, the whole 9 yards. Also with the mix I get and like most I will be starting a grow thread. So all experenced outdoors men, what do you thing is the best soil for the best smoke?

somebody else already posted lc's mix and i would also reccomend it myself. the base mix#1 is the perfect balance to get started just like pro-mix but a little better. i have used recipe#1 with ok results. my mix now is like this

5 parts peat moss
3 parts perlite
2 parts compost
1 cup lime per cubic foot
1 cup greensand
1 cup kelp per cubic foot
1 cup azomite per cubic foot
4 cups espoma bio-tone per cubic foot

its very simple and cheap and very cost effective.
 
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