Best soil mix?(+rep for good sug.

Discussion in 'Organics' started by CANinBIZ, May 5, 2009.

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    CANinBIZ

    CANinBIZ Well-Known Member

    So, I've been growing for a few years now and have gotten pretty good at it, woulden't call myself a pro but i'm better than most growers I know. I like to try new ways to grow all the time, including a fail outdoor areo ponic system and a nice out hydro ponic system out door setup that I sold to my friend. I myself am mainly an outdoor grower myself because I can't afford soil, manure, ferts., and organic replents for 50+ plants and lights, humdifiers and etc.

    So what do you guys would think be the best soil mix, i'm not so much interested in the yeild as much as I am growing it meet its full potential. Like I said with 50+ plants, i'm not worried about qauntity as qaultiy bud so I plan on straight organics. I don't mean somthinmg like "get fox farm" I want A soil recipe, the whole 9 yards. Also with the mix I get and like most I will be starting a grow thread. So all experenced outdoors men, what do you thing is the best soil for the best smoke?
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    Relaxed

    Relaxed Well-Known Member

    You buy all those parts and pieces you will spend as much as this recipe that can't be topped.....

    From much research.....

    Mix one bag oceanforest to one bag light warrior and a few tablespoons of dolomite lime and 25 % perlite
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    CANinBIZ

    CANinBIZ Well-Known Member

    I've looked into Oceanforest and light warrior, I have also seen good results from it, I myself have used foxfarm but haven't mixed. I started using MG soil and moved on to and organic brand this store near me manufactures, to Foxfarm and overall I've learned you need to know what your doing with good soil as much as bad soil. I do plan on looking in to it. Thanks for your input! On a diffrent note Anyone else got ideas?
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    Jobo

    Jobo Well-Known Member

    Ocean forrest alone has worked great for me. No nute burn or any ph problems.
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    slipperyP

    slipperyP Well-Known Member

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    Ohsogreen

    Ohsogreen Well-Known Member

    CANinBIZ...... Tried, True, Cheap & Effective -> 50 percent well aged compost (bagged is OK), 30 percent peat moss or 30 percent well rinsed coco coir, 10 percent perlite, 10 percent worm castings.
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    Positives : Cheap to mix up, seedlings can be transplanted into it with no chance of burn. Will carry Mary for two weeks with nothing but water. All ingredients available at Home Depot, Lowes, Wal-mart....etc....
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    Negatives : requires 15 minutes of your time to mix it up...... that's work to some people (to me that's outdoor therapy).....
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    Start Low, Build as you Go.......
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    Then later, feed Mary some wholesum all Organic Fert Teas.......
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    See thread - Makin Tea is EZ & Cheap in the Organics Threads..... here is a link :
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    http://www.rollitup.org/organics/93913-making-tea-ez-cheap.html
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    Hope this helps.... simple is good.....
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    Grubs

    Grubs Well-Known Member

    I've been a fan of SuperSoil & Perlite, heavy on the soil.
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    futbol.madrid07

    futbol.madrid07 Active Member

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    richjames

    richjames Well-Known Member


    :hump:Very nice OSG! See? Making tea IS ez!
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    Hockeyman

    Hockeyman Well-Known Member

    I read this on IC...

    "Here are some tried and true recipes for getting started in organic growing. Pick one of the first two soiless mix recipes for your grow medium. Then, choose a nute recipe that will work best for what you have available.

    Enjoy...

    Here are two very good organic soiless mixes...

    LC's Mix is great for any stage of growth. You can germ seeds in it, grow mothers in it, root clones in it as well as veg and flower in it.

    LC’s Soiless Mix #1:
    5 parts Canadian Spaghnam Peat or Coir or Pro-Moss
    3 parts perlite
    2 parts wormcastings or mushroom compost or home made compost
    Powdered (NOT PELLETIZED) dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.
    ...Wal-Mart now sells worm castings.

    Or, if you use Pro Mix or Sunshine Mix...
    LC's Soiless Mix #2:
    6 parts Pro Mix BX or HP / Sunshine Mix (any flavor from #1 up)
    2 parts perlite
    2 parts earthworm castings
    Powdered (NOT PELLETIZED) dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.
    If you use a 3 qt. saucepan as “parts” in the amounts given above, it equals about 1 cu. ft. of soiless mix and you can just dump in a cup of powdered dolomite lime.
    But, a "part" can be anything from a tablespoon to a five gallon bucket. Just use the same item for all of the "parts".

    Now for the plants organic food source

    Choose one of these organic plant food recipes to add to LC's Soiless Mix.

    RECIPE #1
    If you want to use organic nutes like blood, bone and kelp...
    Dry Ferts:
    1 tablespoon blood meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
    2 tablespoons bone meal per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
    1-tablespoon kelp meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix or Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract as directed
    1 tablespoon per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of Jersey Greensand to supplement the K (potasium) in the Kelp Meal and seaweed extract.
    Mix all the dry ferts into the soiless mix well and wet it, but don't soak it with Liquid Karma and water @ 1 tbs./gal. Stir and mix it a few times a week for a week or two so the bacteria can get oxygen and break down the bone meal and make it available. And don't let the mix dry out, keep it moist and add water as needed. It'll also have time to get the humic acids in the Liquid Karma going and the dolomite lime will be better able to adjust the pH of a peat based mixture too.
    With this recipe, all you need to do is add plain water until harvest.
    When I'm working with seeds, I punch a hole in the bottom of 16 ounce cups and fill them with plain LC's Mix. Lightly wet the mix in the cups and germ one seed in each cup. At the same time I mix enough LC's mix along with the blood/bone/kelp to fill all the 3 gallon flower pots I'm going to use for the grow. After about two weeks, the seedlings and the blood/bone/kelp mix are ready. I transplant the seedlings into the 3 gallon pots and just add water until harvest.
    When you go to flower and pull up the males, save the mix in the pots. It is ready to be used again immediately. Just remove the root ball and transplant another seedling into it.

    RECIPE #2
    If you want to use guano in your soil mix...
    Bongaloid's Guano Mix.
    Use all these items combined with one gallon of soil mix.
    1/3C hi N Guano (Mexican Bat Guano)
    1/2C hi P Guano (Jamaican or Indonesian Bat Guano)
    1TBS Jersey Greensand
    1TBS Kelp Meal


    RECIPE #3 (My favorite)
    If you want to use guano tea and kelp...

    Guano Tea and Kelp:

    Seedlings less than 1 month old nute tea mix-
    Mix 1 cup earthworm castings into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
    Add 5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses.
    Use it to water your seedlings with every 3rd watering.

    Veg mix-
    1/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano (PSG)
    1/3 cup High N Bat Guano (Mexican)
    1/3 cup Earth Worm Castings (EWC)
    5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
    (That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
    Mix with water @ 1 cup of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
    To that 5 gallons of tea add:
    5 tbs. Liquid Karma
    5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
    Use it to water with every 3rd watering.

    Flowering nute tea mix:
    2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
    2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
    2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
    5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
    (That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
    Mix with water @ 2 cups of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
    To that 5 gallons of tea add:
    5 tbs. Liquid Karma
    5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
    Use it to water with EVERY watering.

    You can use queen size knee high nylon stockings for tea bags. 3 pair for a dollar at the dollar store. Tell 'em you use them for paint strainers. Put the recommended tea in the stocking, tie a loop knot in it and hang it in your tea bucket. The tea should look like a mud puddle. Agitate the bag in the water vigorously. An aquarium pump and air stone will dissolve oxygen into the solution and keep the good bacteria (microherd) alive and thriving. Let it bubble a day or two before you use it. If you find you are making too much tea and having to throw it out, use 2 1/2 gallons of water and cut the nute amount by half.


    RECIPE #4
    Three Little Birds Method
    40 gallons used soil
    4 cups alfalfa meal
    4 cups bone meal
    4 cups kelp meal
    4 cups powdered dolomite lime
    30 pound bag of earthworm castings . . .
    That’s the basic recipe . . .
    However we also like to use
    4 cups of Greensand
    4 cups of Rock Phosphate
    4 cups of diatomaceous earth


    RECIPE #5
    Fish and Seaweed (This is sooo easy)

    For veg growth…
    1 capful 5-1-1 Fish Emulsion
    1 capful Neptune's Harvest 0-0-1 Seaweed or Maxicrop liquid
    1 gallon H2O

    For early flowering…
    1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-3-1 Fish/Seaweed
    1 gallon H2O

    For mid to late flowering…
    1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-4-1 Fish
    1 gallon H2O



    Hope this helps
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    CANinBIZ

    CANinBIZ Well-Known Member

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    CANinBIZ

    CANinBIZ Well-Known Member

    Thank you ohsogreen, I plan on trying this aloung with the 1 bag oceanforest and 1 bag light warrior with a couple tbls of dolomite and perlite, in my grow jornel and compare results, unfortunatly I have to buy the other brands offline, so I will probley star with yours first. Thanks for the mix idea, +rep
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    CANinBIZ

    CANinBIZ Well-Known Member

    I don't think I ever seen 100% perlite, but I'm willing to try that as well. It seems like a new thing I can try, does it build a stable root system from all the perlite? Also +rep for turning me on to the idea
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    CANinBIZ

    CANinBIZ Well-Known Member

    Thanks for multiple mixes they sound pretty good I will look into that aswell.
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    futbol.madrid07

    futbol.madrid07 Active Member

    I'll try and find the pic for you of the root system but have no doubts about it, it builds one hell of a root system as the perlite retains oxygen...you can always go 3 parts perlite 1 part verm, i know people have used 100% coco too and have nothing but positive things to say. as soon as i find a good pic ill post one for you...

    All in all though its a good, easy method and its nearly impossible to damage your plants from overwatering this way...
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    smokedogg63

    smokedogg63 Well-Known Member

    Fox Farm Did Me Right.
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    T macc

    T macc Well-Known Member

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    Bob Saggit

    Bob Saggit Member

    I just put mine into pots with FF Ocean Forest mixed with compost and I also added Myco Grow Micorrhizal fungi tabs to the soil. I have a feeling it will work well
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    nightstalker

    nightstalker Member

    Deng. I didn't know it can be THAT complicated. LoL, I just follow the directions on the fertilizer bottle, and it works with me pretty good.
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    weedyoo

    weedyoo Well-Known Member

    year old or more
    cow manure
    perlite
    add bone meal

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