AZ dispensary owners are clueless

America is (was) an entrepreneurial country. Ford was just an idea at one point in time. Now we are run by big business/franchises and politics, ultimately creating more obstacles for the "little guy"/ mom and pop to succeed. Dont get me wrong big businesses are essential to society but their goal should not be to monopolize an industry. This is no different with the MPP attempting to be the Apple or McDonald's of the dispensaries in Arizona. If every patient had the right to cultivate, the MPP would loose one of their most valuable investors tag lines, "control of production."
Have you ever heard of Pystar?
This was a company that built computers to run the Mac operating system (not installed and still needed to be purchased from apple)but at half the cost of typical Apple computers.
I will leave the obvious outcome of this scenario up to everyone's imagination..
Same shit with the MPP, control...
The politicians and powers at be in Arizona love this mentality as well. They think as long as money is backing some project it will succeed. Quality and anythingelse in those regards are not important, it's mass production, profits, control and tax revenues.
Think about 120 mom and pop dispensaries, the quality and the patient is what would be at the forefront. No doubt the demand might be an issue in this scenario but many of us have no demand for garbage meds (the current dispensary situation). The state wants tax revenues, big producers and deep pockets but the sad part is the profits from these business will mostly be enjoyed out of state.

I have met a few winners that could give a shit less about patients and quality meds. The want to run their non-profit like big business and it does not matter who they walk over to achieve this.

McDonald's mission was, once upon a time, to get an quality hamburger into the hands of every American. Once supply and demand tool hold everything changes.
Today, everyone is getting a hamburger for $1 but look at the quality.
Dispensaries in Az are no different.
They will produce quality to lure in patients but soon supply and demand will take over.

If you want dank the mom and pops is we're it will be. These outfits will not be making millions a year but they will be concerned with patient needs.

I take it all back. Apparently there's more history on this than I've learned over the Internet. The latest I could find on anything related to Bill Hayes was this article in the New Times: http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/04/arizona_cannabis_society_raide.php

I still don't see that the case has been removed from the docket of the US District Court.

Even if he gets his oral arguments he might be in jail and unable to argue his own case. How stupid.

He is the best we could come up with to argue against the 25-mile rule?

Let's go with that the case has been dropped by Bill Hayes...If legal backing ($$) can be obtained, is there anyone out there that is willing to go public and fight this rule beyond posts on a web board?

Obviously, not I.

The case that bill Hayes brought was dismissed with a written response from the judge. The judge gave bill special instructions to not release the dismissal to the public.

The 25 mile rule will get attention and be hashed out once patients start being denied cultivation rights.

Yeah, it was probably 'you lost standing with the court, you dumbass.'

Thanks, Irieie.

KAL EL said:

We have been contemplating starting a consulting group of growers. Offer not only consulting, growers that have passed a test given them by experienced growers, for hire.
Problem is, I only know so many locals that can grow worth a shit and it isn't many.

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I'd volunteer to take your test and see if I'm worth a shit! also would like to get involved with other AZ growers for consulting. PS your next post is 420th so make it a good one!

J9BLACK said:

I take it all back. Apparently there's more history on this than I've learned over the Internet. The latest I could find on anything related to Bill Hayes was this article in the New Times: http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/04/arizona_cannabis_society_raide.php

I still don't see that the case has been removed from the docket of the US District Court.

Even if he gets his oral arguments he might be in jail and unable to argue his own case. How stupid.

He is the best we could come up with to argue against the 25-mile rule?

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The State does not have the Power to issue dispensary licenses - license allows the "sale", "distribution" & "production" of a Controlled Substance! Further, the State has no power to issue cultivation rights for Patients, caregivers, or Dispensary Agents!

That Simple!

The powers not delegated to the Federal Government are in the hands of the States respectively; if not State power then delegated to the People!

The Federal government has made a Federal sanction against Cannabis... Since the powers have been delegated they can not be construed!
The States have the right to decriminalized cannabis activities but have NO powers to issue a license to grow cannabis! PERIOD!

The best argument would be a portion of the AzMMA violates the Constitution by such means! The federal government has set their position on cannabis and the states must respect the Superior Law of The Land; Stop issuing licenses to cultivate! The licenses issued by the AzDHS are a direct violation of the Control Substance Act aka CSA! Making the portion/s of the AzMMA in violation of the CSA absolutely void; as if they never existed!

It is the duty of the People to fight against such violations of Rights and Freedoms!

I refuse to incriminate myself by going to a dispensary! I have the right to NOT incriminate myself in all situations; public or private!

If personal consumption is to be attack; Attack away!

Let's all hope it finally gets moved from Schedule 1 to a Schedule 2 drug. The medical evidence is obviously there, maybe even the cure for cancer!

Does anyone know of any updates on that case? Just wondering since your all experts apparently and talking to high powered lawyers and such.

I am no expert. The ASA is busy getting ready for Joe Elford's oral arguments on the 16th. One could sense the excitement and buzz in the latest newsletter I received today.

I am so proud of my small insignificant contributions because we are just a days from pleading our scientific case that cannabis is medicine. I will actually be able to say that I was a part of history.

We are about to right a serious injustice that will echo throughout time.

^ Maybe it' finally time for the government's bullshit to end, at least partially. I wonder how long that case could be drug out in court before coming to a decision? It's already been delayed over a decade from my understanding.

AzCannaMan said:

Let's all hope it finally gets moved from Schedule 1 to a Schedule 2 drug. The medical evidence is obviously there, maybe even the cure for cancer!

Does anyone know of any updates on that case? Just wondering since your all experts apparently and talking to high powered lawyers and such.

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Cannabis will not fit in Schedule II... Likely not in any of the other schedulings as well! I hope it is taken off the Control Substance Act Schedule all together! That's where it fits best!

Let the States decide what type of laws shall be enacted to enforce the States own Sovereignty... The 10th Amendment allows the States to enact laws for the good of their citizens!!

HB DC said:

Cannabis will not fit in Schedule II... Likely not in any of the other schedulings as well! I hope it is taken off the Control Substance Act Schedule all together! That's where it fits best!

Let the States decide what type of laws shall be enacted to enforce the States own Sovereignty... The 10th Amendment allows the States to enact laws for the good of their citizens!!

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I believe it should come off entirely as well but lets be realistic here.

Considering Cocaine, Methamphetamine, Morphine, Oxycontin, etc are on Schedule 2 what leads you to believe Marijuana wont fit in there? The fact it's "too soft"? For the love of god man look where it is now! Use your head, the government is not going to all together remove it come on. If it moves to schedule 2 that would solve a shit ton of problems surrounding it right there.

* Schedule I — drugs with a high abuse risk. These drugs have NO safe, accepted medical use in the United States. Some examples are heroin, marijuana, LSD, PCP, and crack cocaine.

* Schedule II — drugs with a high abuse risk, but also have safe and accepted medical uses in the United States. These drugs can cause severe psychological or physical dependence. Schedule II drugs include certain narcotic, stimulant, and depressant drugs. Some examples are morphine, cocaine, oxycodone (Percodan®), methylphenidate (Ritalin®), and dextroamphetamine (Dexedrine®).

* Schedule III, IV, or V — drugs with an abuse risk less than Schedule II. These drugs also have safe and accepted medical uses in the United States. Schedule III, IV, or V drugs include those containing smaller amounts of certain narcotic and non-narcotic drugs, anti-anxiety drugs, tranquilizers, sedatives, stimulants, and non-narcotic analgesics. Some examples are acetaminophen with codeine (Tylenol® No.3), paregoric, hydrocodone with acetaminophen (Vicodin®), diazepam (Valium®), alprazolam (Xanax®), propoxyphene (Darvon®), and pentazocine (Talwin®).

meth classified as a schedule 2 because of what is in meth ( what it is made from ) Methamphetamine was developed in the last century from its parent drug amphetamine and was originally used in nasal decongestants, bronchial inhalers, and in the treatment of narcolepsy and obesity. In the 1970s methamphetamine became a Schedule II drug - a drug with little medical use and a high potential for abuse. In some cases, doctors prescribe low doses of methamphetamine for narcolepsy and attention deficit disorder.

AzCannaMan said:

I believe it should come off entirely as well but lets be realistic here.

Considering Cocaine, Methamphetamine, Morphine, Oxycontin, etc are on Schedule 2 what leads you to believe Marijuana wont fit in there? The fact it's "too soft"? For the love of god man look where it is now! Use your head, the government is not going to all together remove it come on. If it moves to schedule 2 that would solve a shit ton of problems surrounding it right there.

* Schedule I — drugs with a high abuse risk. These drugs have NO safe, accepted medical use in the United States. Some examples are heroin, marijuana, LSD, PCP, and crack cocaine.

* Schedule II — drugs with a high abuse risk, but also have safe and accepted medical uses in the United States. These drugs can cause severe psychological or physical dependence. Schedule II drugs include certain narcotic, stimulant, and depressant drugs. Some examples are morphine, cocaine, oxycodone (Percodan®), methylphenidate (Ritalin®), and dextroamphetamine (Dexedrine®).

* Schedule III, IV, or V — drugs with an abuse risk less than Schedule II. These drugs also have safe and accepted medical uses in the United States. Schedule III, IV, or V drugs include those containing smaller amounts of certain narcotic and non-narcotic drugs, anti-anxiety drugs, tranquilizers, sedatives, stimulants, and non-narcotic analgesics. Some examples are acetaminophen with codeine (Tylenol® No.3), paregoric, hydrocodone with acetaminophen (Vicodin®), diazepam (Valium®), alprazolam (Xanax®), propoxyphene (Darvon®), and pentazocine (Talwin®).

meth classified as a schedule 2 because of what is in meth ( what it is made from ) Methamphetamine was developed in the last century from its parent drug amphetamine and was originally used in nasal decongestants, bronchial inhalers, and in the treatment of narcolepsy and obesity. In the 1970s methamphetamine became a Schedule II drug - a drug with little medical use and a high potential for abuse. In some cases, doctors prescribe low doses of methamphetamine for narcolepsy and attention deficit disorder.

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If scheduled under II,III, IV & V cannabis can be prescribed to a patient! Not going to happen! I don't think we will see cannabis coming out of a Walgreens!

It needs to be removed! Period!

The government must realize the mistreatment of citizens in distress, who find easy with an all natural solution - Cannabis, should not be tolerated!

@HB, we all need know where cannabis needs to be...set free.

Opinions aplenty abound on the 'Net. Politicians are counting on the fact that patients will sit around doing bong hits, bitching about how things are instead of actually doing what it takes for change.

And the only thing that changes what happens in the beltway is money, well....and the courts. So my money is on the ASA and its legal fight in conjunction with others like NORML.

On cannabis not being distributed by CVS...think Marinol, then Sativex.

Too much money in it being illegal.
Fines, forfeitures and private prisons. Government makes a killing.

KAL EL said:

Too much money in it being illegal.
Fines, forfeitures and private prisons. Government makes a killing.

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Yup, and I'm sure Tobacco will have several Billion to throw at keeping it illegal as well. Regardless of where it "should' be.

Not Big Tobacco, more people who smoke marijuana smoke cigarettes. The enemy is:

Big Law Enforcement
Big Government
Big Alcohol
Mexican Cartels
Big Pharma (until Sativex wins FDA approval.)
Drug testing companies
and to a much lesser extent, private prisons. State budgets would only improve with the easing of the prison population, regardless of whether its private or not. Lobbyists can't do anything about a lack of state money to incarcerate potheads. All states need are non union prison guards (privatized) to dramatically reduce populations and costs. Ask CA.

All politicians need is cover. Remember the court order to reduce CA's prison population? Tens of thousands released into the world. Where is the freaking out? It's about time for justice.

HB DC said:

If scheduled under II,III, IV & V cannabis can be prescribed to a patient! Not going to happen! I don't think we will see cannabis coming out of a Walgreens!

It needs to be removed! Period!

The government must realize the mistreatment of citizens in distress, who find easy with an all natural solution - Cannabis, should not be tolerated!

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Walgreen's no. Wal-Mart, in the "local organic produce" department. Four pounds, five dollars.

it's still unclear to me... will cultivators be able to sell to dispensaries in az? open market [business to business] as long as the seller is legally allowed to grow and the buyer is licensed to dispense? this is how colorado is set up.