AZ dispensary owners are clueless

J9BLACK

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I plan on harvesting my max allowed by the time I renew...and MAYBE keep a mother in perpetual veg until the climate is right to grow again. At both legislative levels, some legislative statutes are deliberately written to be tossed out. I believe the 25-mile rule so egregiously offends the constitution, that it cannot survive.

Therefore, I am keeping all my gardening tools.
 

AzCannaMan

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I plan on harvesting my max allowed by the time I renew...and MAYBE keep a mother in perpetual veg until the climate is right to grow again. At both legislative levels, some legislative statutes are deliberately written to be tossed out. I believe the 25-mile rule so egregiously offends the constitution, that it cannot survive.

Therefore, I am keeping all my gardening tools.
And how the hell is anyone supposed to be a caregiver? The state is literally eliminating caregivers, except for the caregivers who have patients outside the 25 mile radius. Which was designed by the state to encompass 98% of the population of AZ with how they did the CHAA's. So good luck finding those rural patients lol it's a fucking joke.

How do you believe it goes against the constitution? As far as fed's are concerned there is no leg to stand on there as the whole thing is illegal. It does feel like discrimination though that I couldnt grow because I live in a city, but i could if i lived out in bumfuckaz.
 

str8sativa

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And how the hell is anyone supposed to be a caregiver? The state is literally eliminating caregivers, except for the caregivers who have patients outside the 25 mile radius. Which was designed by the state to encompass 98% of the population of AZ with how they did the CHAA's. So good luck finding those rural patients lol it's a fucking joke.

How do you believe it goes against the constitution? As far as fed's are concerned there is no leg to stand on there as the whole thing is illegal. It does feel like discrimination though that I couldnt grow because I live in a city, but i could if i lived out in bumfuckaz.

how is the state eliminating caregivers?
 

J9BLACK

Active Member
@AZCANNAMAN,
Well, up until the Robert's SCOTUS, I thought we were protected.

The 14th Amendment Equal Protection Clause will invalidate the rule. It is adequately covered in Hayes v. State of AZ, et al. which has been posted on this web site by none other than Bill Hayes himself, currently a hero of mine.


  • Although a state may adopt regulations that have an indirect or incidental effect on Medical marijuana, a state may not establish state laws in a manner that interferes with Federal Equal Protection under the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution. See also: U.S. Const. amend X. The State of Arizona and Janice K. Brewer have crossed this constitutional line by adopting A.R.S. 36-2804.02(A)(3)(f).​



 

J9BLACK

Active Member
@AZCANNAMAN, By enforcing the will of the people per the MMA, my beloved AZ is in effect forcing patients away from caregivers and into a state sanctioned regime. Some patients will benefit from that regime, some will actually be harmed. That is why it violates the 14th Amendment.
 

J9BLACK

Active Member
The 14th is meant for states not the feds, yet he invokes Federal protection under the 14th--which is common. I think this was written this way in anticipation this case would climb to the SCOTUS. Good call, Bill.

Ironic to seek Federal protection for a civil liberty to perform an act that is Federally illegal.
 

AzCannaMan

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how is the state eliminating caregivers?
Read the post again. How can you be a caregiver for someone if you cant grow for them? All you can do would be go to a dispensary and buy it for them, big woop.

I know my patients will be disappointed when I drop them because the state wont renew my grow rights for them, thereby forcing them to pay double at a dispensary, for probably sub par medicine compared to mine.
 

irieie

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Read the post again. How can you be a caregiver for someone if you cant grow for them? All you can do would be go to a dispensary and buy it for them, big woop.

I know my patients will be disappointed when I drop them because the state wont renew my grow rights for them, thereby forcing them to pay double at a dispensary, for probably sub par medicine compared to mine.
The state had very little to do with setting up this system which creates oligopoly for the dispensaries. They are merely implementing and enforcing (except not very well).Everything that seems unfair I.e 25 mile rule, Plant numbers, extreme gov. Oversight etc. Came directly from the assholes at marijuana policy project if you dont believe me then ask the lawyer whom they hired to write the initiative and help pass the amma because i did talk to her personally.
 

str8sativa

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Read the post again. How can you be a caregiver for someone if you cant grow for them? All you can do would be go to a dispensary and buy it for them, big woop.

I know my patients will be disappointed when I drop them because the state wont renew my grow rights for them, thereby forcing them to pay double at a dispensary, for probably sub par medicine compared to mine.
the 25 mile rule has been there the whole time everyone knows they cant grow or renew if there is dispensary.
you said the state is eliminating caregivers like there actively going around getting rid of them.
i thought you were saying something new, took it out of context
 

J9BLACK

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I borrowed this from this AZ news source: http://www.dcourier.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubsectionID=1&ArticleID=86114
Medical marijuana's history in Arizona dates back 14 years.

Voters first approved its use in 1996 by a 65-percent margin, but the Legislature overturned it. That was part of the reason voters approved another voter initiative in 1998 that prevents the Legislature from overturning voter-approved initiatives and referendums.
The crafters of the AMMA achieved what failed to survive the voters' will in 96. FOURTEEN YEARS LATER consumers (real patients and not) stopped being criminals.

For that, I applaud everyone involved.

Perfect can be the enemy of good.
 

AzCannaMan

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The state had very little to do with setting up this system which creates oligopoly for the dispensaries. They are merely implementing and enforcing (except not very well).Everything that seems unfair I.e 25 mile rule, Plant numbers, extreme gov. Oversight etc. Came directly from the assholes at marijuana policy project if you dont believe me then ask the lawyer whom they hired to write the initiative and help pass the amma because i did talk to her personally.
You are right, the reason they said they put the 25 mile rule in there was to help it pass. Since it passed by such a slim margin I guarantee you they are right and we would have nothing to bitch about (IE no AMMA/Prop203) had it not been in there the voters probably would have been swayed enough that it would have failed. It wouldnt have taken much, less than 1% i believe and we would have no MMJ in AZ.

the 25 mile rule has been there the whole time everyone knows they cant grow or renew if there is dispensary.
you said the state is eliminating caregivers like there actively going around getting rid of them.
i thought you were saying something new, took it out of context
Well they will basically be pushed out by the dispensaries as they open, and as their cards expire there will be less & less caregivers. That's basically what I was trying to say there.
 

irieie

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You are right, the reason they said they put the 25 mile rule in there was to help it pass. Since it passed by such a slim margin I guarantee you they are right and we would have nothing to bitch about (IE no AMMA/Prop203) had it not been in there the voters probably would have been swayed enough that it would have failed. It wouldnt have taken much, less than 1% i believe and we would have no
That is the biggest load of bullshit. I discussed this exact point with the lawyer whom was hired by the mpp to craft and push the referendum through. There was absolutely no actual evidence to back this bullshit predication up. There was no polling on this issue, this was not discussed in a public forum. There was no actual proving of this bullshit idea. Furthermore there is no other similar case in any other state where home cultivation was the deciding factor for passage of a medical marijuana program. Anyone who says it would not have passed other wise is full of shit and is either a fucking moron or has an interest with dispensaries. Do you know that it was not even the state of Arizona or any opposition who even mentioned the idea of a 25 mile rule? Did you know that the mpp made sure such a rule was inserted without any urging or even mention from the state or opposition. Wake up the mpp and dispensaries and the money that got this amma passed does not give a shit about anything but their bottom line.
 

AzCannaMan

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That is the biggest load of bullshit. I discussed this exact point with the lawyer whom was hired by the mpp to craft and push the referendum through. There was absolutely no actual evidence to back this bullshit predication up. There was no polling on this issue, this was not discussed in a public forum. There was no actual proving of this bullshit idea. Furthermore there is no other similar case in any other state where home cultivation was the deciding factor for passage of a medical marijuana program. Anyone who says it would not have passed other wise is full of shit and is either a fucking moron or has an interest with dispensaries. Do you know that it was not even the state of Arizona or any opposition who even mentioned the idea of a 25 mile rule? Did you know that the mpp made sure such a rule was inserted without any urging or even mention from the state or opposition. Wake up the mpp and dispensaries and the money that got this amma passed does not give a shit about anything but their bottom line.
Calm down man, that's what I heard as to why they included that in the law. I believe from the MPP themselves in one of the emails they occasionally send out. I didnt say it was the iron clad truth. You obviously have inside knowledge on that issue I dont.

Are you saying the MMP put the rule in there just so they could somehow profit from it? How would that help them? They but all kinds of retarded shit in there about the dispensaries too so if they were hoping to somehow get money from them they pretty much screwed the pooch there. Why would they intentionally fuck the patients, caregivers, and dispensaries? All the people who the law was intended for in the first place?
 

KAL EL

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OMG, don't be so naive AZCannaMan. The mpp put it in so the dispensaries could monopolize the industry in AZ. I was there when irieie talked the lawyer that wrote Prop 203.
She even questioned the motive of it.
 

AzCannaMan

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OMG, don't be so naive AZCannaMan. The mpp put it in so the dispensaries could monopolize the industry in AZ. I was there when irieie talked the lawyer that wrote Prop 203.
She even questioned the motive of it.
I don't doubt you guys or what the lawyer said. But seriously whats the hidden agenda behind "dispensaries monopolize the industry in AZ" why would MPP give a fuck? Unless they themselves are applying for a shitload of them, then it would make sense.

Edit: By the way I think it is a stupid rule. People should be able to grow their own plants rather than be forced to be raked over the coals at a dispensary.
 

irieie

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The money that was given to mpp in order to help pass the Amma comes from similar sources which plan on opening multiple dispensaries. Who is the "mpp" and how are they operated? Like any properly run non profit, the number one party is the donors. It's all about money. Also just for argument sake if home cultivation is really so feared by the public and a reason for Amma not to pass then how did the original legislation get passed with public support?
 

J9BLACK

Active Member
Great point Irieie. I didn't read the 96 law but I believe you are right.

I am not as hostile as others to for profit drug companies. That is capitalism the American way. I think we are dwelling too much on how we got here. Finger pointing is great for protest/lecture rock, but it doesn't move the ball forward.

Pointing the finger to the future means supporting Hayes' and others' legal fight to remove the 25 mile rule. Wouldn't that deliver much-love among the cannabis patients and farmers around the state? Among us?
 

irieie

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Great point Irieie. I didn't read the 96 law but I believe you are right.

I am not as hostile as others to for profit drug companies. That is capitalism the American way. I think we are dwelling too much on how we got here. Finger pointing is great for protest/lecture rock, but it doesn't move the ball forward.

Pointing the finger to the future means supporting Hayes' and others' legal fight to remove the 25 mile rule. Wouldn't that deliver much-love among the cannabis patients and farmers around the state? Among us?
It is not mere finger pointing, it is trying to show the patients how they are seen by the dispensary prospective owners. The point here into show their perspective and attitude towards patients as well. I believe in capitalism just as much as you do maybe even more having lived as a socialist for a year. The problem here is that with the 25 mile rule the Amma becomes a socialist system. See when the government controls the means of production, that is the textbook definition of socialism. A market where only a few are allowed to produce and their operating bars others from producing is not a free market and is therefore not really capitalism. What iambic essentially arguing is the freeing of this market and the elimination of exclusivity in production, this will prove to create the best quality medicine, at the most reasonable price and the widest variety for patients to chose from. The problem js not that they plan on making money its how the wanna do it And prevent others from doing it.


Oh and while we are on the subject, where has all the money gone that people gave to bill Hayes to fight then25 mile rule? Last I heard that hit was dismissed rather quickly so what you r referring to is non existent. WAKE UP THERE IS NO EFFORT TO FIGHT THE 25 MILE RULE!!
 

HB DC

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Oh and while we are on the subject, where has all the money gone that people gave to bill Hayes to fight then25 mile rule? Last I heard that hit was dismissed rather quickly so what you r referring to is non existent. WAKE UP THERE IS NO EFFORT TO FIGHT THE 25 MILE RULE!!
I donated at least 1/3 of all monies collected which was not shit...

Where is the money being used Bill Hayes?

$300 and some change to file your own paperwork... What about the rest of the monies!

Since you stopped the fight are you giving refunds?
 

BeaverHuntr

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I donated at least 1/3 of all monies collected which was not shit...

Where is the money being used Bill Hayes?

$300 and some change to file your own paperwork... What about the rest of the monies!

Since you stopped the fight are you giving refunds?

Those funds helped open and pay for " The Vapor Lounge "
 
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