"Area 51 LED" Information and discussion

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Greenup

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I just need some new lights to replace my 1k hps I have 2 190 a51s and like what I see I thought to add 2 150 a51s bu since we coming out with this new cob technology I was hoping these new lights will help for sure compete with the hps but no worries I can wait lol I can eat a sandwich first then wait on the soup no a problem! But I think it will be well worth the wait
 
JRayV

JRayV

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Will there be more half-size RW units if A51 does an updated model? I know it said they were discontinued, but given how well they've sold I don't see why they wouldn't be back in the lineup soon.
 
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Eraserhead

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This is the line-up:

3000k Vero 29 v2 @ 80w
4000k Vero 29 v2 @ 80w
5000k Vero 29 v2 @ 80w
CXB 3590 @ 25w
CXB 3590 @ 50w
XPG2 5000k S4, XPE2 red P4 @ 70w (this will also be the upgrade kit's LEDs)

Each of those fixtures can be connected into larger fixtures in either a square shape or a longer shape, depending on the grower's needs. You can even mix the different versions in one big frankenpanel if you chose to do so.
JRayV said:
Will there be more half-size RW units if A51 does an updated model? I know it said they were discontinued, but given how well they've sold I don't see why they wouldn't be back in the lineup soon.
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Humanrob

Humanrob

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Eraserhead said:
This is the line-up:

3000k Vero 29 v2 @ 80w
4000k Vero 29 v2 @ 80w
5000k Vero 29 v2 @ 80w
CXB 3590 @ 25w
CXB 3590 @ 50w
XPG2 5000k S4, XPE2 red P4 @ 70w (this will also be the upgrade kit's LEDs)

Each of those fixtures can be connected into larger fixtures in either a square shape or a longer shape, depending on the grower's needs. You can even mix the different versions in one big frankenpanel if you chose to do so.
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Excellent!!!

What's the ETA on pricing?
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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Why are you making fixtures that have such low wattage why not make larger fixtures? 25 and 50w seem like side lighting options I think a lot of us are looking for a larger 500-600 watt panel that can yield similar to a 1000w HID light not really looking for a 25watt flashlight... and I understand they can link together but i'm pretty sure that drives price up astronomically. I am personally looking to replace 3 600 watt hid lights and 25 watt options are not realistic to me.
 
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Eraserhead

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For the really high efficiency.

You can take 16 of the 25w panels, and make four 47" x 7" panels and spread them over a 4x4 and get insane efficiency and perfect coverage.
Yodaweed said:
Why are you making fixtures that have such low wattage why not make larger fixtures? 25 and 50w seem like side lighting options I think a lot of us are looking for a larger 500-600 watt panel that can yield similar to a 1000w HID light not really looking for a 25watt flashlight...
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Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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I'm looking to cover a much larger area than a 4x4 and 16 panels for a 4x4 is a lot for such a small area.
 
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Eraserhead

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It does add some cost to have them linkable rather individual models with varying power, but it is quite small.

Having multiple panels of varying power will cost more in initial machining costs, which will in the end cost more than the smaller model that can link up to make bigger panels.

The way I'm doing it, it gives more options at less overall cost. People can choose what to get based on their needs and budget. Not everyone will be able to afford to spend $4000+ on lighting a 4x4, that's why there's a 50w version of the CXB. Still great efficiency. You can take 12 of them for 25% less cost and 200 extra watts, and make three 47"x7" panels and spread those 600w over a 4x4.

For those that can't afford that, they can look to the Veros. Still decent efficiency. Connect six of them in a 24" x 24" panel that makes 480w, or 8 of them in a 24" x 32" panel that makes 640w.

It really wouldn't be 16 individual panels over a 4x4, it'd be 4 panels, much more manageable.

There's something for everyone, mostly.
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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Eraserhead said:
It does add some cost to have them linkable rather individual models with varying power, but it is quite small.

Having multiple panels of varying power will cost more in initial machining costs, which will in the end cost more than the smaller model that can link up to make bigger panels.

The way I'm doing it, it gives more options at less overall cost. People can choose what to get based on their needs and budget. Not everyone will be able to afford to spend $4000+ on lighting a 4x4, that's why there's a 50w version of the CXB. Still great efficiency. You can take 12 of them for 25% less cost and 200 extra watts, and make three 47"x7" panels and spread those 600w over a 4x4.

For those that can't afford that, they can look to the Veros. Still decent efficiency. Connect six of them in a 24" x 24" panel that makes 480w, or 8 of them in a 24" x 32" panel that makes 640w.

It really wouldn't be 16 individual panels over a 4x4, it'd be 4 panels, much more manageable.

There's something for everyone, mostly.
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Yea 4k for covering a 4x4 is not really feasible for me and I would imagine many others in the same boat,I would like to get more LEDs but until they can bring more to the table price wise per foot of coverage I just don't see any need to invest more. The best option for me at this point is to continue to use HID until commercial LED fixtures come along price wise. Buying 4k worth of LEDs to cover a small area like 4x4 is just not a smart investment I could put that money towards more efficient air conditioning, installing a bad ass co2 release system, I could buy bulbs that would last 40+ years for that price. A 4x4 coverage only costs 300-500$ for the best HID lights and your saying these cost over 10 times that, the more I look at LEDs the more I think what a bad investment they are.
 
KarmaPaymentPlan

KarmaPaymentPlan

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Yodaweed said:
Yea 4k for covering a 4x4 is not really feasible for me and I would imagine many others in the same boat,I would like to get more LEDs but until they can bring more to the table price wise per foot of coverage I just don't see any need to invest more. The best option for me at this point is to continue to use HID until commercial LED fixtures come along price wise. Buying 4k worth of LEDs to cover a small area like 4x4 is just not a smart investment I could put that money towards more efficient air conditioning, installing a bad ass co2 release system, I could buy bulbs that would last 40+ years for that price. A 4x4 coverage only costs 300-500$ for the best HID lights and your saying these cost over 10 times that, the more I look at LEDs the more I think what a bad investment they are.
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i think that's why he had worked on a variety it doesn't have to cost 4000 unless you want it too that's why led is diverse it can do what your looking for. I like what he's talking about I'm very much looking forward to seeing them!
 
OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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Yodaweed said:
Yea 4k for covering a 4x4 is not really feasible for me and I would imagine many others in the same boat,I would like to get more LEDs but until they can bring more to the table price wise per foot of coverage I just don't see any need to invest more. The best option for me at this point is to continue to use HID until commercial LED fixtures come along price wise. Buying 4k worth of LEDs to cover a small area like 4x4 is just not a smart investment I could put that money towards more efficient air conditioning, installing a bad ass co2 release system, I could buy bulbs that would last 40+ years for that price. A 4x4 coverage only costs 300-500$ for the best HID lights and your saying these cost over 10 times that, the more I look at LEDs the more I think what a bad investment they are.
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For 300-500$ your clearly talking about a Gavita'ish type commercial fixture. All the stuff I have been browsing as Top of the line and air coolable is closer to $800-$1K once all pieced together
 
Michael Huntherz

Michael Huntherz

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Eraserhead said:
It does add some cost to have them linkable rather individual models with varying power, but it is quite small.

Having multiple panels of varying power will cost more in initial machining costs, which will in the end cost more than the smaller model that can link up to make bigger panels.

The way I'm doing it, it gives more options at less overall cost. People can choose what to get based on their needs and budget. Not everyone will be able to afford to spend $4000+ on lighting a 4x4, that's why there's a 50w version of the CXB. Still great efficiency. You can take 12 of them for 25% less cost and 200 extra watts, and make three 47"x7" panels and spread those 600w over a 4x4.

For those that can't afford that, they can look to the Veros. Still decent efficiency. Connect six of them in a 24" x 24" panel that makes 480w, or 8 of them in a 24" x 32" panel that makes 640w.

It really wouldn't be 16 individual panels over a 4x4, it'd be 4 panels, much more manageable.

There's something for everyone, mostly.
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I'm sickened by all the BS, but that's the forums on the internet, always some shit like that happening.
I'm excited about this product.
Could I DIY something with great components for cheaper?
Sure. Would it be precision-engineered? Uh, no. And I'd probably be sick of it by the time I finished. I'd rather buy something good, even if it doesn't have the latest-generation doohickey in it, these lights look great.

Yodaweed said:
Yea 4k for covering a 4x4 is not really feasible for me and I would imagine many others in the same boat,I would like to get more LEDs but until they can bring more to the table price wise per foot of coverage I just don't see any need to invest more. The best option for me at this point is to continue to use HID until commercial LED fixtures come along price wise. Buying 4k worth of LEDs to cover a small area like 4x4 is just not a smart investment I could put that money towards more efficient air conditioning, installing a bad ass co2 release system, I could buy bulbs that would last 40+ years for that price. A 4x4 coverage only costs 300-500$ for the best HID lights and your saying these cost over 10 times that, the more I look at LEDs the more I think what a bad investment they are.
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The up-front price is fine, the efficiency provides savings over time, and LEDs live a long time, if you keep them around they constantly become cheaper the more you use them, how does this escape your notice? Honestly, why are you looking at LED lights? I have the cheapest electricity in the country but I'm excited about the coverage vs cost per hour. Your value equation doesn't seem to include the electric cost over time.

I'm going to buy a few of these.
 
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Herb Smith

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If I wanted to upgrade a couple of SGS-160's is it possible to say what kind of difference I should see from the upgrade?
 
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