"Area 51 LED" Information and discussion

FranJan said:

^^^Ask? Seriously though AP that's the first thing I saw when I saw that picture. And I knew immediately it was a in-house device because there's no way in hell that product would be saleable in the USA. And do you really think after all these years in the business EH is gonna miss that? No effin' way AP. And that's why you look terribly amateurish and petty here. You should really worry about your own product and let the chips fall where they may. Panta rei!

And it's not like EH never went after other companies but he chose a different path, like getting companies that paste CREE onto their websites and don't even use CREE LEDs to be held accountable. E's not perfect, who is, but you just keep taking stabs at him and hoping something sticks. And that is laughable and actually makes a good point about you getting into politics cause that's what the 2 faced liars in Congress and the WH do.

Sometimes the LED math used around here seems closer to numerology than an attempt to explain a phenomena. IM very HO LED mathematics are only guides and mean shit when the light goes on and the plants say......

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I brought it up because no one else did. I guess if I didn't own a company, it would be acceptable for me to bring it up but because I happen to be in the same business as A51, I should hold my tongue?

I agree that the LED math can be hard to follow for some at times but if we were to all become contempt with simplicity, then we would never progress. Panta Rhei.

The only difference between politicians and I, within the framework you've referred to, is that they lie to gain. Believe it or not, I'm here to ultimately lower prices for commercial COB fixtures and if that means lowering $ per watt (both dissipated and PAR) brings me less money in revenue, then I'm game.

1.21 Gigawatts! said:

Regardless of what you think, what you know, or most importantly, what you think you know, I know you're an idiot.

If I had money, I would not buy from you for the simple fact your business model sucks. You're a spammer. You talk down to others like you're smart and they are not. You built a light that is dangerous and sent it to your customers, and put their lives in danger, and now you're trying to say EH's lights are dangerous, which I see no evidence of being true. It actually says right on their website that there is a clear covering over the solder joints. Maybe you were too busy trying to make that light look bad to read the description?

Isn't it true that you've been warned by the Rollitup Advertising Admin TWICE for spamming? Where'd your company link in your signature go? Why do you have to break the rules to sell your lights? Why do you have to attack other companies to sell your lights? Why do you have to pop up in every thread and talk down to people based on your (lack) of knowledge? Why can't you just focus on making a good product and let the quality and performance speak for itself? Why can't you pay for advertising if you want to get your product out there? Why are you as a company owner in a thread about another light, talking bad about it, but no evidence to back up what you are saying? Why can't you stop being a douche nozzle?

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Assumptions can be misleading for those assuming.

You're dodging very good questions that I had asked you.

Isn't it true that you've been warned by the Rollitup Advertising Admin TWICE for spamming? Where'd your company link in your signature go? Why do you have to break the rules to sell your lights? Why do you have to attack other companies to sell your lights? Why do you have to pop up in every thread and talk down to people based on your (lack) of knowledge? Why can't you just focus on making a good product and let the quality and performance speak for itself? Why can't you pay for advertising if you want to get your product out there? Why are you as a company owner in a thread about another light, talking bad about it, but no evidence to back up what you are saying? Why can't you stop being a douche nozzle?

AquariusPanta said:

I brought it up because no one else did. I guess if I didn't own a company, it would be acceptable for me to bring it up but because I happen to be in the same business as A51, I should hold my tongue?

I agree that the LED math can be hard to follow for some at times but if we were to all become contempt with simplicity, then we would never progress. Panta Rhei.

The only difference between politicians and I, within the framework you've referred to, is that they lie to gain. Believe it or not, I'm here to ultimately lower prices for commercial COB fixtures and if that means lowering $ per watt (both dissipated and PAR) brings me less money in revenue, then I'm game.

Assumptions can be misleading for those assuming.

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You lied about EH's light, even "warning customers", but it clearly says on his website that there's a silicone covering over the solder points. So, you got caught lying, with the probable purpose of "eliminating some of your competition". That's very underhanded of you.

AquariusPanta said:

Just a forewarning to anyone considering buying into the W90.

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I don't think it's hard. I think where some of the numbers used that Supra and alesh produce are hard because I don't truly understand how they get them but the formulas for PAR/Watts, (I have never had a use for that number), and such are easy. And like all numbers they can be used to prove whatever point you like. Within reason.

Panta rei.
http://www.optionality.net/heraclitus/

AP I would never buy anything from you because I really, and have always believed, your knowledge to be limited. Not sayin' I know more, just that when a guy like GG starts a company, you can believe he knows what he's talking about. I don't get that from you. When I occasionally speak to EH I get a very insider view of the LED grow light world. I don't get that either with you. As a matter of fact I was floored when I heard you started a company. I was saying wtf does he know about LED grow lights? And I still say that. And I've never owned an A51, so I'm not some fanboi, though I am a fan of EH's business model. You need to check yourself.

FranJan said:

I don't think it's hard. I think where some of the numbers used that Supra and alesh produce are hard because I don't truly understand how they get them but the formulas for PAR/Watts, (I have never had a use for that number), and such are easy. And like all numbers they can be used to prove whatever point you like. Within reason.

Panta rei.
http://www.optionality.net/heraclitus/

AP I would never buy anything from you because I really, and have always believed, your knowledge to be limited. Not sayin' I know more, just that when a guy like GG starts a company, you can believe he knows what he's talking about. I don't get that from you. When I occasionally speak to EH I get a very insider view of the LED grow light world. I don't get that either with you. As a matter of fact I was floored when I heard you started a company. I was saying wtf does he know about LED grow lights? And I still say that. And I've never owned an A51, so I'm not some fanboi, though I am a fan of EH's business model. You need to check yourself.

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I've noticed variations between some writers using Rhei and Rei. I believe Plato uses Rhei in one of his countless discourses when briefly referring to Heraclitus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panta_Rhei

1.21 Gigawatts! said:

You lied about EH's light, even "warning customers", but it clearly says on his website that there's a silicone covering over the solder points. So, you got caught lying, with the probable purpose of "eliminating some of your competition". That's very underhanded of you.

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You're assuming that I knew beforehand that there was to be a coating applied over the pads, which I didn't know until you mentioned there being a description near the bottom of the product page stating the matter. If I didn't know any better, it was added to the descriptions after being brought up but that's just speculation. If I would have seen that information before making the comment, I wouldn't have even bothered bringing it up.

Please, try again proving I'm a liar.

As for your questions, you clearly have all the answers.

AquariusPanta said:

I've noticed variations between some writers using Rhei and Rei. I believe Plato uses Rhei in one of his countless discourses when briefly referring to Heraclitus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panta_Rhei



You're assuming that I knew beforehand that there was to be a coating applied over the pads, which I didn't know until you mentioned there being a description near the bottom of the product page stating the matter. If I didn't know any better, it was added to the descriptions after being brought up but that's just speculation. If I would have seen that information before making the comment, I wouldn't have even bothered bringing it up.

Please, try again proving I'm a liar.

As for your questions, you clearly have all the answers.

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Aquarium Pants, if you spent half of the time hanging some of your lights up and posting a journal with some real Dank growing your lights would "possibly?" sell themselves.
Unfortunately for you forums like this linger around the net for a loooong time and can really put a damper on a small peanuts startup
Just sayin

Again you're dodging simple questions. I expect no less from you. You have something to hide.

You are a liar, and an underhanded salesman. You and Cammie would be great business partners.

AquariusPanta said:

You're assuming that I knew beforehand that there was to be a coating applied over the pads, which I didn't know until you mentioned there being a description near the bottom of the product page stating the matter. If I didn't know any better, it was added to the descriptions after being brought up but that's just speculation. If I would have seen that information before making the comment, I wouldn't have even bothered bringing it up.

Please, try again proving I'm a liar.

As for your questions, you clearly have all the answers.

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@Eraserhead When did you add the info about the silicone on the soldering?

AquariusPanta said:

I brought it up because no one else did. I guess if I didn't own a company, it would be acceptable for me to bring it up but because I happen to be in the same business as A51, I should hold my tongue?

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Hello AP. I think you are right that if you did not own a company that some or most of your comments would have been acceptable. It is just a conflict of interest when you have a company and you post in another companies thread. Even if you right people will not believe you because they will always doubt your motive.
I think even EH was careful in his posts in twilight thread until they used his company name to sell stuff.
May be you can consider using a new ID for your company related posts/advertising. Always good to keep personal and professional life separate.

I am sure you would not want this thread locked in the interest of consumers of COB. Even if A51 lights are expensive, people like and trust the brand and do not mind paying more.
If you think you are wrong, walk away from this thread. If you think you are right, for the love of Vero be a bigger man and walk away from this thread. These guys will not stop and you will be discredited even more with every post you make. Its not worth defending yourself at the cost of bad publicity to your brand. HB needs to make friends here but not in this thread.
Still... If you would like this thread locked. Fire at will. Another A51 thread will pop up.

I like your posts and your contribution and I hope you do not think this post in any wrong way.

PS: I just held + and - DC terminals of LPF-90D with no load and also with load and nothing happened. And my hands were moist too from washing hands. I think 42V DC is not much of a monster. But good to cover them with something to avoid short with foreign object. Quote me in some other thread if your experience was different.

Back to A51 and it's new light. I wonder if it uses a meanwell or something else.

OneHitDone said:

This is getting a bit played out, I mean who is copying who? Bolt on brackets to make modular - "Lego's" references???

http://www.amaretechnologies.com/ss100xx.html

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How can anyone say AMARE copied the bracket design. I have one of the original pre - production tester lights and it already was designed to have and did include brackets. So who ever is talking all this BS needs to get their facts straight. It was designed from the onset to be able to add lights and connect them together so that they would be at optimum distance to evenly distribute the light across all of the attached panels.

Perhaps someone knows enough to put this in terms I can relate to by answering this. If I have a current or former A51 light such as an SGS / XGS / RW etc. How many W90's will it take to compare with one of the former lights. I'm just trying to get a perspective.

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How can anyone say AMARE copied the bracket design. I have one of the original pre - production tester lights and it already was designed to have and did include brackets. So who ever is talking all this BS needs to get their facts straight. It was designed from the onset to be able to add lights and connect them together so that they would be at optimum distance to evenly distribute the light across all of the attached panels.

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Were the case and brackets made by hand or were they made in the factory...on your pre-production

captainmorgan said:

That's why I said ball park and based on my results with a closely performing CXA3070. I'm getting big numbers from my CXA set up but that might not be the most common way they're used.

I'm running around 529 PPFD with my CXA's.

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That makes me feel better Captain. I finally did the math on my light and I'm running about 604 PPFD, which made me feel inadequate since I've seen the min of 700PPFD recommendation. But after seeing your grows I don't think I need to change anything.

I hope that the first people to get in their pre-orders will post when they receive their W90's. It'd be good to know when this first line of production actually ships. I took a chance and got in this line, and one of my spaces will be sort of in limbo under insufficient lighting until these new lights show up. My gamble, hopefully they'll ship in good time.

Humanrob said:

I hope that the first people to get in their pre-orders will post when they receive their W90's. It'd be good to know when this first line of production actually ships. I took a chance and got in this line, and one of my spaces will be sort of in limbo under insufficient lighting until these new lights show up. My gamble, hopefully they'll ship in good time.

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I just ordered 10 and am in the same situation. Vegging until they arrive!

How did this thread suddenly attract primates? I think an intense discussion should ensue about why primates pre-order A51 lights... LOL

Humanrob said:

How did this thread suddenly attract primates? I think an intense discussion should ensue about why primates pre-order A51 lights... LOL

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I guess we primates know what's good for us

We'll surely never know, but I wonder how many units total have been (/will be) pre-ordered. I have such a small narrow window into this industry, I have no idea what the real demand is. I also wonder, beyond these forums (where for better or worse I've learned most of what I think I know), how do light companies find their market, and what percentage of A51's customers come from RIU. I was never directly in marketing, but I did internet work for marketing companies, so I find that stuff curious.

How many amps does one unit pull from the wall? Can they be dimmed?

Greengenes707 said:

Were the case and brackets made by hand or were they made in the factory...on your pre-production

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Nope they were not made by hand came like that from the factory. They were part of the design and are adjustable. They actual are patent pending. If you know Hyroot he did and un-boxing also and documented it.

Here is a link where I first used the light.

http://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-grow-journals/1317804-white-light-led-revolution.html

Here is a pic of them attached from a fellow grower. You can view it here:


http://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-grow-journals/1316222-4x4-led-wild-thai-seed-second-grow.html

Humanrob said:

We'll surely never know, but I wonder how many units total have been (/will be) pre-ordered. I have such a small narrow window into this industry, I have no idea what the real demand is. I also wonder, beyond these forums (where for better or worse I've learned most of what I think I know), how do light companies find their market, and what percentage of A51's customers come from RIU. I was never directly in marketing, but I did internet work for marketing companies, so I find that stuff curious.

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Many growers use word of mouth. Yet there are other avenues such as compassion clubs, hydro stores. dispensary, and some of the large gardening shows. Yet grow journals on the various forums play a large role and you have the old stand-by sales team.

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Nope they were not made by hand came like that from the factory. They were part of the design and are adjustable. They actual are patent pending. If you know Hyroot he did and un-boxing also and documented it.

Here is a link where I first used the light.

http://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-grow-journals/1317804-white-light-led-revolution.html

View attachment 3470764 Here is a pic of them attached from a fellow grower. You can view it here:


http://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-grow-journals/1316222-4x4-led-wild-thai-seed-second-grow.html

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A51 uses evergrow...amare uses evergrow. Pending does nothing for us right now. Did amare submit the paten or evergrow.