captainmorgan
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I'd like to see what 16 of them would do in a 5x5.
"Area 51 LED" Information and discussion
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GrowinDad
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I would think you could use fewer units by spreading them a bit. If 20x20 is optimal size for one unit, then it is not total darkness at the 21st inch. So by spreading them out a bit, I would think that the combined "less than optimal" light space would be fine as it is drawing from multiple lights.
As a small grower with a SGS160 and a RW75, I love the idea of these modular designs. We all like to expand
Personally, I don't think anyone has a right to bitch at someone for earning a good living, charging what they want, delivering the product they think is cool, etc. If you charge too much, no one will buy it. If your product sucks, no one will buy one. And when you are known for quality, you can charge a premium. It's called "Brand Equity"!
My A51 have done everything I want from them. They cost some $$ up front but in my mind paid for themselves many times over. I'd much rather have EH earning a good living, being able to pay people to build units, able to focus on R&D, and having a sustainable business that lets him have the same goals as everyone else.
As a small grower with a SGS160 and a RW75, I love the idea of these modular designs. We all like to expand
Personally, I don't think anyone has a right to bitch at someone for earning a good living, charging what they want, delivering the product they think is cool, etc. If you charge too much, no one will buy it. If your product sucks, no one will buy one. And when you are known for quality, you can charge a premium. It's called "Brand Equity"!My A51 have done everything I want from them. They cost some $$ up front but in my mind paid for themselves many times over. I'd much rather have EH earning a good living, being able to pay people to build units, able to focus on R&D, and having a sustainable business that lets him have the same goals as everyone else.
JimmyIndica
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855watts vero29?that's a pretty good price!Thanks guys, makes more sense now. I think 9 units spread out in 3 rows of 3 would be killer.
855W in a 5 X 5 tent = 34W m2 which is pretty decent and for a lovely price of only $1566! Ouch..
Leaf matter in bud can be greatly reduced with proper nutes at the proper times, I can't argue with HPS performance, especially hung vertically. The cobs have been the best supplemental lighting option for me so far in flower..
MH in veg for me was always just a waste of added AC. Unless your doing soil, and 100 dumb little 1-2oz plants then your pretty limited. Tight node spacing is what I'm always after, once they hit flower they explode and having to tie branches to thier cage to hold up the buds can be a pain on a 6ft tree. 5000k+ of cobs blow t5 out of the water, especially since the T5s become worthless after so many hours of use. I haven't used to MH since the 90s, its a waste of power.
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OneHitDone
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I definitely don't think the new units are out of line on price with the components that are in them.Thanks guys, makes more sense now. I think 9 units spread out in 3 rows of 3 would be killer.
855W in a 5 X 5 tent = 34W m2 which is pretty decent and for a lovely price of only $1566! Ouch..
Look at this pure china special generic cob'ish fixture:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fastest-Growth-Switch-90-Reflector-Cup-100W-LED-Light-Grow-Panel-COB-Flower-Lamp-/201007083354?hash=item2eccf4af5a
Also, if you look at the drop down menu for 9 units on the A51 site it is $1375 for 9
That's just $30ea more than the china special and you get a real high grade cob and I believe free shipping too - sounds like pretty good buy to me
djweed420
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For sure I definitely think its pretty decent value especially for so many units. It works out to like $1.60pw. I also like the modular approach. I didn't see the discount price if you buy more units. $1375 is a really good price IMO, similar in price for what you would have to pay if you went DIY.I definitely don't think the new units are out of line on price with the components that are in them.
Look at this pure china special generic cob'ish fixture:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fastest-Growth-Switch-90-Reflector-Cup-100W-LED-Light-Grow-Panel-COB-Flower-Lamp-/201007083354?hash=item2eccf4af5a
Also, if you look at the drop down menu for 9 units on the A51 site it is $1375 for 9
That's just $30ea more than the china special and you get a real high grade cob and I believe free shipping too - sounds like pretty good buy to me
1.21 Gigawatts!
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That Ebay Chinese one says the actual power is 58w +/- 3%. And uses "Really Epileds High Power 3w LED".
$122.36 divided by 58w = $2.10 per 1w.
The W90 even at one unit at $174 and 95w actual watts that's $1.83 per 1w.
I'm still too broke for even the Chinese one. I'm making my own right now. Cost me $100 in parts.
$122.36 divided by 58w = $2.10 per 1w.
The W90 even at one unit at $174 and 95w actual watts that's $1.83 per 1w.
I'm still too broke for even the Chinese one. I'm making my own right now. Cost me $100 in parts.
I definitely don't think the new units are out of line on price with the components that are in them.
Look at this pure china special generic cob'ish fixture:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fastest-Growth-Switch-90-Reflector-Cup-100W-LED-Light-Grow-Panel-COB-Flower-Lamp-/201007083354?hash=item2eccf4af5a
Also, if you look at the drop down menu for 9 units on the A51 site it is $1375 for 9
That's just $30ea more than the china special and you get a real high grade cob and I believe free shipping too - sounds like pretty good buy to me
AquariusPanta
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I'd say your math is a little off. Each unit dissipates ~80W, with the other ~15 due to the fan and driver efficacy.
At 80W and at 174$, I get 2.175$ per watt. In the best case scenario, when one buys x12 units at once, each unit is sold at ~146$ (without considering shipping costs). This comes out to 1.825$ per watt. It's a cheap price to pay for decent lighting but is not the cheapest dollar per watt cost in the Vero-COB fixture market today.
I point this out for multiple reasons, Giga, most importantly because as the COB market begins to take off, we, as growers and fans of LED, are becoming accustomed to various facets of information regarding the fixtures that we decide to invest into.Take for instance the multiple LED brands out there that advertise fixtures as 240W but actually only draw ~130W form the wall. Now a days, between what's out there currently, COB fixtures are fairly straight forward with what they pull and we can now, with the aid of data sheets, determine how many watts are being dissipated from the COBS that we use, allowing us to determine who's selling the most amount of light at the most affordable cost. I thought it was worth mentioning, because I think it's a really cool subject.
Also, how come no one noticed this before?
If you put one finger where the red circle is and another finger on the blue circle, you will get shocked by some serious juice. Just a forewarning to anyone considering buying into the W90.
captainmorgan
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Hey Aqurium Pants,that's a mock up unit to take pictures not a production unit.
1.21 Gigawatts!
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You come off as pathetic trying to discredit other company's lights to make yourself look better.
I've PM'd with EH recently in the last couple days, I had asked about the solder spots, he said the production units will be coated with a silicone, there are no live lines to get electrocuted by. Unlike your lights.
As for my math goes, it is not off. We're talking about total watts vs. total watts. You can break it down by watts going to the LEDs.
$174 divided by 80w = $2.17 a watt
$122 divided by (58 actual watts, let's assume they have a 90% efficient driver, and a 3w fan, I would think that cheapo light doesn't have a 90% efficient driver, maybe 80-85%, but let's assume it's 90%) that's about 50w divided into $122, that's $2.44 a watt.
Your company name is "Heaven Bright", no? Are you a religious person? You don't act like it. Dumb company name regardless.
If I were EH, I'd sue you for libel.
I've PM'd with EH recently in the last couple days, I had asked about the solder spots, he said the production units will be coated with a silicone, there are no live lines to get electrocuted by. Unlike your lights.
As for my math goes, it is not off. We're talking about total watts vs. total watts. You can break it down by watts going to the LEDs.
$174 divided by 80w = $2.17 a watt
$122 divided by (58 actual watts, let's assume they have a 90% efficient driver, and a 3w fan, I would think that cheapo light doesn't have a 90% efficient driver, maybe 80-85%, but let's assume it's 90%) that's about 50w divided into $122, that's $2.44 a watt.
Your company name is "Heaven Bright", no? Are you a religious person? You don't act like it. Dumb company name regardless.
If I were EH, I'd sue you for libel.
captainmorgan
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Living in his mothers basement probably means he doesn't grow either,yet he's here in a Cannabis forum. So your plan is to go around the forum and bash all the other light makers to try and sell yours,if your business doesn't work out you should go into politics.
1.21 Gigawatts!
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He's probably grounded right now for missing his curfew. He's mad he's been sent to his bedroom, so he's on the internet digging himself a hole he can't get out of. Gotta love internet tough guys.
FranJan
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He doesn't know how to ground. At least that's what I heard
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testiclees
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witless clown, internet nit wits are more prevalent than internet tough guys.
AquariusPanta
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That's the thing, you're comparing oranges with apples and I didn't address that. COB fixtures represent and offer a different approach to how we calculate and associate costs with various fixtures. By comparing total watts with one fixture to another, we limit ourselves to what we happen to be valuing. In other words, if someone offers an inefficient unit for 500$, which pulls a total of 500W, then that's 1$ per watt, which would be a decent deal in today's lighting market. Now let's add the fact that that 500W unit only dissipates 100W from the light source. Now it's evident that it costs 5$ per watt (dissipated). We could even go further in comparing the core value of that fixture if we knew how efficient the lights were. For this example, let's say the lights are 50% efficient. It's now 10$ per watt (PAR), which isn't a great deal in comparison to other options.
So you see, your approach doesn't take advantage of the resources and data that are available and thus leaves your mathematical consideration obsolete.
You're a hater, so I expect you to hate, Giga
How would I know if I were a consumer?
Damn, Giga, you made me look decent!
captainmorgan
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Oh I don't know,maybe go to the Area 51 web site where they are taking pre-orders and read. It says the pic is a prototype and the prodution units will be maroon with a white reflector.
http://www.a51led.net/product/area-51-led-w90-pre-order
1.21 Gigawatts!
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Regardless of what you think, what you know, or most importantly, what you think you know, I know you're an idiot.
If I had money, I would not buy from you for the simple fact your business model sucks. You're a spammer. You talk down to others like you're smart and they are not. You built a light that is dangerous and sent it to your customers, and put their lives in danger, and now you're trying to say EH's lights are dangerous, which I see no evidence of being true. It actually says right on their website that there is a clear covering over the solder joints. Maybe you were too busy trying to make that light look bad to read the description?
Isn't it true that you've been warned by the Rollitup Advertising Admin TWICE for spamming? Where'd your company link in your signature go? Why do you have to break the rules to sell your lights? Why do you have to attack other companies to sell your lights? Why do you have to pop up in every thread and talk down to people based on your (lack) of knowledge? Why can't you just focus on making a good product and let the quality and performance speak for itself? Why can't you pay for advertising if you want to get your product out there? Why are you as a company owner in a thread about another light, talking bad about it, but no evidence to back up what you are saying? Why can't you stop being a douche nozzle?
If I had money, I would not buy from you for the simple fact your business model sucks. You're a spammer. You talk down to others like you're smart and they are not. You built a light that is dangerous and sent it to your customers, and put their lives in danger, and now you're trying to say EH's lights are dangerous, which I see no evidence of being true. It actually says right on their website that there is a clear covering over the solder joints. Maybe you were too busy trying to make that light look bad to read the description?
Isn't it true that you've been warned by the Rollitup Advertising Admin TWICE for spamming? Where'd your company link in your signature go? Why do you have to break the rules to sell your lights? Why do you have to attack other companies to sell your lights? Why do you have to pop up in every thread and talk down to people based on your (lack) of knowledge? Why can't you just focus on making a good product and let the quality and performance speak for itself? Why can't you pay for advertising if you want to get your product out there? Why are you as a company owner in a thread about another light, talking bad about it, but no evidence to back up what you are saying? Why can't you stop being a douche nozzle?
FranJan
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^^^Ask? Seriously though AP that's the first thing I saw when I saw that picture. And I knew immediately it was a in-house device because there's no way in hell that product would be saleable in the USA. And do you really think after all these years in the business EH is gonna miss that? No effin' way AP. And that's why you look terribly amateurish and petty here. You should really worry about your own product and let the chips fall where they may. Panta rei!
And it's not like EH never went after other companies but he chose a different path, like getting companies that paste CREE onto their websites and don't even use CREE LEDs to be held accountable. E's not perfect, who is, but you just keep taking stabs at him and hoping something sticks. And that is laughable and actually makes a good point about you getting into politics cause that's what the 2 faced liars in Congress and the WH do.
Sometimes the LED math used around here seems closer to numerology than an attempt to explain a phenomena. IM very HO LED mathematics are only guides and mean shit when the light goes on and the plants say......
And it's not like EH never went after other companies but he chose a different path, like getting companies that paste CREE onto their websites and don't even use CREE LEDs to be held accountable. E's not perfect, who is, but you just keep taking stabs at him and hoping something sticks. And that is laughable and actually makes a good point about you getting into politics cause that's what the 2 faced liars in Congress and the WH do.
Sometimes the LED math used around here seems closer to numerology than an attempt to explain a phenomena. IM very HO LED mathematics are only guides and mean shit when the light goes on and the plants say......