Are any of you here a Sensitive?

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eye exaggerate

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cannabineer said:
Consciousness is merely being self-aware and for that we need the ability of abstract thought, another level of intelligence, so in a way, they are related IMO.
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...I find it interesting that abstract is what God is said to be. I mean this in the gnostic sense. The 'mother' would be the organizer of that which is abstract. She gives form to it. 'organ'izer, heh.

** that's odd, I thought I was replying to mp's post. Sorry about that :)
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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eye exaggerate said:
...I find it interesting that abstract is what God is said to be. I mean this in the gnostic sense. The 'mother' would be the organizer of that which is abstract. She gives form to it. 'organ'izer, heh.

** that's odd, I thought I was replying to mp's post. Sorry about that :)
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You had me fuddled for a second there. ~scratches luxuriantly intellectual goatee~ "Did I write that?" cn
 
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eye exaggerate

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cannabineer said:
You had me fuddled for a second there. ~scratches luxuriantly intellectual goatee~ "Did I write that?" cn
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..."The Self doesn't have a doubt that it is the Self." :lol:! (taken from a website where I am currently reading about the "I am not the doer" situation) (fun stuff :shock:)
 
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Zaehet Strife said:
How can we know who we are, if we make ourselves in every single passing moment.
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...that's why it's so important to be centered. One center of gravity. Every single passing moment is up for observation that way, in every way.

nb: that was my best high / Kilkenny + Guiness response :razz:
 
Heisenberg

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Couple things feel odd to me...

Although individual bodies are destined to self-destruct, the alive feeling - the 'Who am I?'- is just a 20-watt fountain of energy operating in the brain. But this energy doesn't go away at death.
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So the self is a product of the brain but doesn't go away when the brain ceases to function? No mention is made of why he thinks the self does not end; what evidential arrows point in this direction?

One of the surest axioms of science is that energy never dies; it can neither be created nor destroyed. But does this energy transcend from one world to the other?
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Strange that he invokes the laws governing energy without ever defining which type of energy we are talking about. He skipped over the part where the mind went from being a product of energy to being a type of energy itself.

It turns out that what the observer decided at that point, determined what the particle did in the past. Regardless of the choice you, the observer, make, it is you who will experience the outcomes that will result.
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As I understand it, we are not sure that this indicates a change in past events, and an 'observer' does not need to possess a consciousness. It can be a mindless sensor. The idea seems to be that because we can observe, we can transcend time, but this evidence would support the same conclusion for a robot.
 
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ClaytonBigsby

ClaytonBigsby

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It's late and I only read the first three pages, but I wanted to comment. I have had paranormal activity throughout my life. My earliest memories were out of body travel, validated by my parents (4 years old). I have seen so many spirits, and been able to validate them for others. Heard spirits too. Even had a poltergeist on two occasions. Everyone is different and has different gifts. If we didn't have or know about the olympics, most people would never know a human could run 100M in 9 seconds because 99.9% of us cannot. A small few can. A small few can see, hear, and be given information from the "spirit world". Perfecting that gift is difficult, for many reasons. Sometimes it seems more a curse.

Answering the OP's question, I will give an example. A couple of year ago I was online in a role playing game a friend asked me to join. It's not my thing but I was there killing time until my wife came home. It was late. Some girl did something in the game and I thanked her, we started talking. I asked her why she was up so late (4am her time) and she said she was having a hard time sleeping as her mother recently died. She said they were very close. I excused myself to go get a drink and on my way to the kitchen a woman's voice called out twice, loudly and clearly "Shirly!" I live way out in the country, my closest neighbors a football field away. This came from inside my home and I knew what it was as it has happened many times.

I went back and asked the girl if the name meant anything to her and she said yes, it is my grandmother's name and she is still with us. Her mother had died on her way to see her. I told her I would do some EVP for her. I went to the room where I do that and tried to focus. I was being shown an angry elephant and couldn't shake it. I never think of elephants, and this certainly wasn't the time. I mentioned it to the girl and she said she loved elephants and that she had recently had one tattooed on the back of her neck, her mother was very angry about it. That's how it works sometimes, you have to be open to it and recognize it for what it is. If it were easy, we wouldn't be having these discussions. There were a few more things but you get the idea.


Chief, I think you were talking about children being psychic. William Wordsworth discusses this in his poem "Ode to Intimations of Immortality", where he calls it a "life star". The poem is about reincarnation. Check it out, I think you will like it. Alexander Pope's "Essay on Man" is pretty good too.

OK, everyone who thinks this is impossible BS because they have never experienced it, go ahead and bash....



PS I think I know where Stacy Peterson is, if anyone can help on that front.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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ClaytonBigsby said:
It's late and I only read the first three pages, but I wanted to comment. I have had paranormal activity throughout my life. My earliest memories were out of body travel, validated by my parents (4 years old). I have seen so many spirits, and been able to validate them for others. Heard spirits too. Even had a poltergeist on two occasions. Everyone is different and has different gifts. If we didn't have or know about the olympics, most people would never know a human could run 100M in 9 seconds because 99.9% of us cannot. A small few can. A small few can see, hear, and be given information from the "spirit world". Perfecting that gift is difficult, for many reasons. Sometimes it seems more a curse.

Answering the OP's question, I will give an example. A couple of year ago I was online in a role playing game a friend asked me to join. It's not my thing but I was there killing time until my wife came home. It was late. Some girl did something in the game and I thanked her, we started talking. I asked her why she was up so late (4am her time) and she said she was having a hard time sleeping as her mother recently died. She said they were very close. I excused myself to go get a drink and on my way to the kitchen a woman's voice called out twice, loudly and clearly "Shirly!" I live way out in the country, my closest neighbors a football field away. This came from inside my home and I knew what it was as it has happened many times.

I went back and asked the girl if the name meant anything to her and she said yes, it is my grandmother's name and she is still with us. Her mother had died on her way to see her. I told her I would do some EVP for her. I went to the room where I do that and tried to focus. I was being shown an angry elephant and couldn't shake it. I never think of elephants, and this certainly wasn't the time. I mentioned it to the girl and she said she loved elephants and that she had recently had one tattooed on the back of her neck, her mother was very angry about it. That's how it works sometimes, you have to be open to it and recognize it for what it is. If it were easy, we wouldn't be having these discussions. There were a few more things but you get the idea.


Chief, I think you were talking about children being psychic. William Wordsworth discusses this in his poem "Ode to Intimations of Immortality", where he calls it a "life star". The poem is about reincarnation. Check it out, I think you will like it. Alexander Pope's "Essay on Man" is pretty good too.

OK, everyone who thinks this is impossible BS because they have never experienced it, go ahead and bash....



PS I think I know where Stacy Peterson is, if anyone can help on that front.
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How do you know it was some sort of spirit each time?

How do you know it wasn't something else?
 
Heisenberg

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ClaytonBigsby said:
OK, everyone who thinks this is impossible BS because they have never experienced it, go ahead and bash....
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So anyone who has doubt is a basher? If someone has not experienced what you describe, wouldn't you expect them to be skeptical? I'm not sure I would trust someone who automatically believes a fantastic story without expressing any doubt, but it seems you have decided anyone who doesn't accept this story is against you. Believers vs bashers.
 
tyler.durden

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Heisenberg said:
So anyone who has doubt is a basher? If someone has not experienced what you describe, wouldn't you expect them to be skeptical? I'm not sure I would trust someone who automatically believes a fantastic story without expressing any doubt, but it seems you have decided anyone who doesn't accept this story is against you. Believers vs bashers.
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Bolded above is a point that often goes overlooked by folks that have experienced the paranormal: You'd think they would understand and empathize with your rational doubt, but they usually act like they are offended by it. If I woke up one day and saw spirits, or could suddenly climb walls or move things with my mind, I would anticipate only skepticism until I proved up my fantastic claim. If I told somebody something like that and their response was, 'Wow! That's cool', I wouldn't respect that mind...
 
ClaytonBigsby

ClaytonBigsby

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Oh sweet irony. It's always the same here. That is why I stay out of this section. The few of you who think yourselves so intellectually superior by taking the easiest "show me/prove it" approach, bore the hell out of me. Of course I expect people to be skeptical, however, you are the people who always make it "Believers vs Bashers". There is something in between. I do not really do not fall into either category. I speak from actual physical experience, with reproducible results. I have, in fact, offered to assist you in doing your own research in the past. However it is always the same; you want a nice gift wrapped box on a shelf.

I was responding to the OP's question. My answer was for him/her. This may come as a shock to you, but I don't care if you believe me or not. I am not seeking your approval, nor do I feel the need to "prove" anything to you. I do hope that one day you will be enlightened enough to see that there is so much more than what you may understand today. Science is always evolving for a reason. Try to get ahead of the game. You are like the masses who knew the world was flat because that was the conventional wisdom of the time. I am the guy in the boat looking for the truth.

"I do not know what I may appear to the world, but to myself I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the sea-shore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me." Sir Isaac Newton
 
Heisenberg

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ClaytonBigsby said:
Oh sweet irony. It's always the same here. That is why I stay out of this section. The few of you who think yourselves so intellectually superior by taking the easiest "show me/prove it" approach, bore the hell out of me. Of course I expect people to be skeptical, however, you are the people who always make it "Believers vs Bashers". There is something in between. I do not really do not fall into either category. I speak from actual physical experience, with reproducible results. I have, in fact, offered to assist you in doing your own research in the past. However it is always the same; you want a nice gift wrapped box on a shelf.
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So when discussing paranormal, boring inquiries are bad? It seems you wish to avoid certain questions and instead characterize those who would ask as intellectually arrogant. I asked for no proof, and Pad only asked for more information. Can the in-betweeners not also ask skeptical questions? Where is the rhetoric in our responses to your post which suggest an us-vs-them attitude? It seems that you are the one who framed the convo this way in your very first post.

I was responding to the OP's question. My answer was for him/her. This may come as a shock to you, but I don't care if you believe me or not. I am not seeking your approval, nor do I feel the need to "prove" anything to you.
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Actually the part I responded to was addressed to everyone except believers. Where did you get the idea that we demand you to prove yourself? You said yourself you expect others to be skeptical, yet the simplest questions are treated as an attack on your integrity. Strange that skeptical curiosity puts you on the defensive.

I do hope that one day you will be enlightened enough to see that there is so much more than what you may understand today. Science is always evolving for a reason. Try to get ahead of the game. You are like the masses who knew the world was flat because that was the conventional wisdom of the time. I am the guy in the boat looking for the truth.
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I have no problem admitting there is more to the world that what is understood today. That is the entire point to science. Scientists do not just sit around and review answers we already have figured out. Science evolves because it wants new and accurate information, once all the information is gathered, if that's possible, science will cease to have a purpose. Intuition and sloppy observation is what led people to believe the earth was flat and the sun revolved around us, it was careful observation and testing, aka science, which showed us the truth.

So if non-believers are bashers, and those who inquire about proof are boring, that would seem to rule out all but those who agree with you.
 
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...fck! It has root in the parasympathetic nervous system. Until anyone here gains control over the ANS overall, zip it! (:lol:) It's beyond our control (allllll of us). (being playful here)

Until... :shock: (no, really, it's like a :shock:) I think what happens here is that we catch a glimpse of something 'other'. Regardless of what we believe, we 'feel' those events and they change us. Might be the whole point. (heh)

"Unquestionably, the Sensual Mind develops its basic concepts via external sensory perceptions. Under these conditions the Sensual Mind is terribly crude and materialistic. It cannot accept anything which has not been physically demonstrated. Since the fundamental concepts of the Sensual Mind are based on external sensory data, undoubtedly, it can know nothing about what is real, about the truth, about the mysteries of life and death, about the Soul and the Spirit, etc. For the rogues of the intellect, totally trapped by their external senses and incarcerated within the basic concepts of the Sensual Mind, our esoteric studies are lunacy. In the reasoning of the unreasonable, in an insane world, they are right due to conditioning by the external sensory world. How could the Sensual Mind accept what is not sensory?"

...the quote isn't meant to jab.

...you'll find better expression of this, here: The Solar Astral, Solar Mental and Solar Causal Bodies. Worth looking into, at least it is for me.

edit: it is said that we're born 'lunar', which is mechanical - it is nature as nature is. No biggie. When you start to discuss the senses, it is from a lunar perspective. Not in the mid-eastern sense, I agree that the universe is a mother, and that she's cool. (heh)

 
ClaytonBigsby

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Obviously you gentlemen are intelligent, I hope I did not insult, however, it is possible to "outsmart" yourselves. Being skeptical IS asking for proof, really. Some of you enjoy the argument for argument's sake. That doesn't interest me.

This section reminds me of an old joke. This guy goes to prison for the first time, and that night a short while after the lights go out, someone yells out "13!" and the place erupts in laughter. A minute later, someone else yells out "81!!", and again the place goes berserk. The new guy asks his cellie what's going on, and he explains that everyone had been there for so long that they all knew the jokes so well they just gave them numbers. Wanting to fit in, the new guy decided to try it. He waited for a moment of silence and yelled out "26!!", but nobody laughed. Horrified, he asked his cellie if that one wasn't funny. His cellie said, "no, it's very funny, you're just telling it wrong".


Sometimes the questions you think so clearly valid, are not the right ones.

I will leave it at that.
 
Padawanbater2

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You said the results are "reproducable", can you tell me how you would reproduce the experience and end up with the same results, or how I could reproduce the experience and end up with the same results?
 
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