Are any of you here a Sensitive?
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Beefbisquit
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I love Dan Dennett....
Padawanbater2
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What was the point?
Intelligence is the capacity for learning, reasoning and understanding
Consciousness is ones own thoughts and feelings
Heisenberg
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Consciousness is the awareness of experiencing self and environment, intelligence is the ability to make sense of it.
mindphuk
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I would have to ask how one defines intelligence before deciding on the difference. As I was discussing earlier with ganja man, there are many animals that demonstrate varying levels of intelligence, but tests confirm that they may not even be self-aware. We all know dogs display intelligence as an ability to learn. Bees and many other insects show intelligence in problem solving at the level of the hive but not so much individually, i.e. the hive mind. It is well established that predators need more intelligence than prey and this is often demonstrable with brain architecture.
Consciousness is merely being self-aware and for that we need the ability of abstract thought, another level of intelligence, so in a way, they are related IMO.
Consciousness is merely being self-aware and for that we need the ability of abstract thought, another level of intelligence, so in a way, they are related IMO.
mindphuk
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eye exaggerate
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...the point was that you cannot look at a 'holy' book with scientific eyes. It does not require the sort of scrutiny that you'd prescribe. It's no big deal, it's just that you can't expect to argue about your own thoughts and feelings, right? Those are subjective and have no real place in the scientific arenas.
Samwell Seed Well
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the bible claims to be the one and true reality . . .its is not meant to be interpreted as subjective . . .. so that pretty much settlers that argument
eye exaggerate
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...yes, and no (imo). How could someone be sustained on locusts and wild honey, as an example. I think that's why people scrap over this stuff. To your point, though, it is not a subjective view that we're supposed to take when looking at 'any biblos', either. They call that lunacy. Religare (religion) is union, sexual union...so in that sense it happens to be the only creator of multiple realities - unless you were in a Sigourney Weaver movie
However, that doesn't make that particular scroll the only one to 'eat'. At this point in my development, I feel comfortable in saying that all of those books form a bigger picture. They should compliment each other instead of divide. But, I dream.
Padawanbater2
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I certainly can look at a book that makes objective claims about reality with scientific eyes.
It depends on what you're arguing.
eye exaggerate
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...apocrypha and its interpretation is what you'd be arguing, in this case. It's a tough gig no matter which 'side' a person is on. It's even an argument within the groups of believers. I guess the thing to remember is that a lot of these cats were being persecuted one way or another. They had to hide with words.
eye exaggerate
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...that is so very cool. Gracias for the link! Kind of a mind bender
eye exaggerate
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...the question asked at 3:47(ish) is messed up
cannabineer
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I think awareness is a softer criterion than self-awareness. I would say a waking dog or lizard is conscious ... even if not very much so in the lizard's case. cn
Beefbisquit
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I believe my dog is conscious. It clearly exhibits emotions like happiness, sadness, shame, deceit, panic, etc., etc.,. I don't have any basis for this, just living with him and being around him all the time...
Heisenberg
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[video=youtube;dZrzRrPRdC0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZrzRrPRdC0[/video]
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mindphuk
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Sadness, yes, shame no. Guilt, shame, etc. are human responses to a moral value. Like intelligence, consciousness can have varying levels of meaning. It can simply mean sentience, then qualia, and every level up to self-awareness and intentionality.I believe my dog is conscious. It clearly exhibits emotions like happiness, sadness, shame, deceit, panic, etc., etc.,. I don't have any basis for this, just living with him and being around him all the time...
Beefbisquit
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I'm not sure if I completely agree. I think even in the animal kingdom there's a sense of the 'golden rule', at least within their own species. Our moral systems could be less voluntary than it seems at first glance, at least in the most basic sense.