Anyone hit those biotches with brown sugar and molasses during flower?

Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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sidewing said:
Sulfur does do well. Battery acid from auto zone is sulfuric acid.. It can be used as a ph down.
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Battery acid is hydrochloric acid. Don't use that. Hydrogen chloride is like bleach salts. Don't use strong acids or bases like that, they are below and above any range you need. You could dilute it, but I strongly feel that you don't want something that caustic in your pot or rez. Like, especially if you're busted, they'll bring in a meth cleanup squad.

As I said, in organics, pH is much less important. With synthetics, you're using chelates (base elements bound to salts) which require a certain range for the bond to the salt to be broken by the rhizosphere. In organics, your microbes eat your organic matter and shit out what the roots can immediately take up. There's so much buffering that unless you're at 8.5 or 4.5, you should have no issue.

You just want a little natural sulfur or organically derived sulfates for terpene and resin production. Too much will be worse than applying too much nitrogen.
 
Ace Yonder

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Olive Drab Green said:
Battery acid is hydrochloric acid. Don't use that. Hydrogen chloride is like bleach salts. Don't use strong acids or bases like that, they are below any range you need. You could dilute it, but I strongly feel that you don't want something that caustic in your pot or rez. Like, especially if you're busted, they'll bring in a meth cleanup squad.

As I said, in organics, pH is much less important. With synthetics, you're using chelates (base elements bound to salts) which require a certain range for the bond to the salt to be broken by the rhizosphere. In organics, your microbes eat your organic matter and shit out what the roots can immediately take up. There's so much buffering that unless you're at 8.5 or 4.5, you should have no issue.

You just want a little natural sulfur or organically derived sulfates for terpene and resin production. Too much will be worse than applying too much nitrogen.
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Epsom salt is Magnesium Sulfate, probably the easiest way to get some without throwing things out of balance (although technically not "organic", but if they were considering battery acid that probably doesn't matter).
 
Olive Drab Green

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Ace Yonder said:
Epsom salt is Magnesium Sulfate, probably the easiest way to get some without throwing things out of balance (although technically not "organic", but if they were considering battery acid that probably doesn't matter).
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Epsom salts can be used in organics. Dolomite lime is just more common. Langbeinite is potassium magnesium sulfate, abd it's organic/naturally occurring. CalMag is more for synthetics.
 
Budley Doright

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Olive Drab Green said:
Battery acid is hydrochloric acid. Don't use that. Hydrogen chloride is like bleach salts. Don't use strong acids or bases like that, they are below and above any range you need. You could dilute it, but I strongly feel that you don't want something that caustic in your pot or rez. Like, especially if you're busted, they'll bring in a meth cleanup squad.

As I said, in organics, pH is much less important. With synthetics, you're using chelates (base elements bound to salts) which require a certain range for the bond to the salt to be broken by the rhizosphere. In organics, your microbes eat your organic matter and shit out what the roots can immediately take up. There's so much buffering that unless you're at 8.5 or 4.5, you should have no issue.

You just want a little natural sulfur or organically derived sulfates for terpene and resin production. Too much will be worse than applying too much nitrogen.
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Car battery acid is sulphuric acid and it is no more dangerous than any of the bottled PH down products if it is diluted (I don't bother, it's already diluted to 35% I believe) and works great. It's getting hard to get around here, they want you to buy a battery lol. Not sure about the sulphur content or advantage though, never checked.
 
Olive Drab Green

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Budley Doright said:
Car battery acid is sulphuric acid and it is no more dangerous than any of the bottled PH down products if it is diluted (I don't bother, it's already diluted to 35% I believe) and works great. It's getting hard to get around here, they want you to buy a battery lol. Not sure about the sulphur content or advantage though, never checked.
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Well. Either way. I would advice against using industrial grade chemicals. There are easier, more reliable ways.
 
Olive Drab Green

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Budley Doright said:
What do you mean by reliable? And yes you can buy the prediluted bottled acid (phosphoric, it's bad for you too) I do that as well, just clarifying a few things :).
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I just mean, taking out the risk and guesswork. I'm not disagreeing with you or saying that it can't be done, just that it isn't advisable. I am organic, so I don't really pH adjust.
 
Lordhooha

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Olive Drab Green said:
I just mean, taking out the risk and guesswork. I'm not disagreeing with you or saying that it can't be done, just that it isn't advisable. I am organic, so I don't really pH adjust.
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I just use apple cider vinegar. Ppl say it doesn't last as long or you need more blah blah blah buuuut my plants are happy so yah and 4 dollars a gallon at the store all it takes is just a splash to get my well water from 7.0 to 6.3ish to 6.5 I vary slightly every feeding. And hey at least I can drink it if I really wanted to. Can't do that with sulfuric acid or ph down lol
 
Olive Drab Green

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Lordhooha said:
I just use apple cider vinegar. Ppl say it doesn't last as long or you need more blah blah blah buuuut my plants are happy so yah and 4 dollars a gallon at the store all it takes is just a splash to get my well water from 7.0 to 6.3ish to 6.5 I vary slightly every feeding. And hey at least I can drink it if I really wanted to. Can't do that with sulfuric acid or ph down lol
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I was going to say, acetic acid/vinegar if absolutely necessary. That just seems safer.

Phosphoric acid is a main ingredient in Coke, though. They sell cola syrup over the counter as an antiemetic, with the active ingredient being phosphoric acid.
 
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Sulfuric acid is perfectly fine to lower ph in hydro. As you said, no need to adjust ph in organic soil..
The whole organic/chemical thing I get.. I've been there before.. But honestly it's blown way out of proportion in my opinion, as I've ran both. Soil will always have more residual than a week of water only in hydro.. The plant is uptaking the exact same things.. It's just whether it's sourced from organic matter.. Broken down and then taken up by the plant.. Or a salt already broken down and available then taken up by the plant. The plant is taking up the same "chemical" makeup.
 
Olive Drab Green

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sidewing said:
Sulfuric acid is perfectly fine to lower ph in hydro. As you said, no need to adjust ph in organic soil..
The whole organic/chemical thing I get.. I've been there before.. But honestly it's blown way out of proportion in my opinion, as I've ran both. Soil will always have more residual than a week of water only in hydro.. The plant is uptaking the exact same things.. It's just whether it's sourced from organic matter.. Broken down and then taken up by the plant.. Or a salt already broken down and available then taken up by the plant. The plant is taking up the same "chemical" makeup.
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I just take issue with using something not meant for gardening. Like, forget the synthetic vs. organic thing. You don't know what kind of impact the use of that kind of stuff will yield long-term. I'd be most afraid of soil comtamination from buildup or polluted ground water.

Not saying there's anything necessary wrong with your choices, just that I have reservations about them for myself.
 
Budley Doright

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Olive Drab Green said:
I just take issue with using something not meant for gardening. Like, forget the synthetic vs. organic thing. You don't know what kind of impact the use of that kind of stuff will yield long-term. I'd be most afraid of soil comtamination from buildup or polluted ground water.

Not saying there's anything necessary wrong with your choices, just that I have reservations about them for myself.
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And that's fine but your first post was inaccurate and wrong. If your not comfortable using something that is perfectly fine to use because you have no information on said product then say so, don't post information as fact when it's fiction. Also I have never PH'd my soil grows which I feel is not required, all of what I say is regarding a hydro setup.
 
Olive Drab Green

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Budley Doright said:
And that's fine but your first post was inaccurate and wrong. If your not comfortable using something that is perfectly fine to use because you have no information on said product then say so, don't post information as fact when it's fiction. Also I have never PH'd my soil grows which I feel is not required, all of what I say is regarding a hydro setup.
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Alright, well, have fun putting that shit in your soil. I hope all comes out well either way. You do you, Bud. I'm not looking to argue or circle.
 
Olive Drab Green

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If any of you decide to add sulfuric acid in your pots, make sure you never use hydrogen peroxide for anything in that same por. I guess some people also pour H2O2 into their substrate, to kill fungus or something? But if you combine sulfuric acid or Hydrogen Chloride solution with H2O2, you just made pirahna solution in your pot. That's the stuff that is used in real life surreptitiously to get rid of bodies. I don't know why you would want battery acid, a substance known to destroy plant cells, pipe cleaner, or any components that are notably caustic into your pot, but God bless you all.

Hold on a sec while I find that HazMat diamond info on Sulfuric acid.
 
Olive Drab Green

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@Budley Doright, are you seriously telling me that the substance in this wiki article is something you would pour into your medium?

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Why would you even suggest people handle this, simply to save a buck on growing?
 
Olive Drab Green

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In comparison, here is how dangerous Phosphoric Acid is:

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Are you trolling me? Are you fucking with me to get a rise out of me, or do you seriously believe that you are correct in advising the use of sulfuric acid for a pH Down or nutrient solution of some sort, especially over phosphoric acid? Because I'm not sweating it if you're trolling me. This is just a bit mind-boggling, sitting here trying to figure what goes on in your head or where your information comes from.
 
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Budley Doright

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Olive Drab Green said:
In comparison, here is how dangerous Phosphoric Acid is:

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Are you trolling me? Are you fucking with me to get a rise out of me, or do you seriously believe that you are correct in advising the use of sulfuric acid for a pH Down or nutrient solution of some sort, especially over phosphoric acid? Because I'm not sweating it if you're trolling me. This is just a bit mind-boggling, sitting here trying to figure what goes on in your head or where your information comes from.
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Why would it be trolling to clarify misinformation? You do realize that when you buy sulphuric acid it is not in its pure form and is prediluted. Also I am not recommending anything just clearing up any misunderstandings
 
Olive Drab Green

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Budley Doright said:
Why would it be trolling to clarify misinformation? You do realize that when you buy sulphuric acid it is not in its pure form and is prediluted. Also I am not recommending anything just clearing up any misunderstandings
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Sulfuric acid is highly corrosive. I seriously doubt it's recommended to put something like that in the ground. Especially when you're talking about prying it from car batteries.

That aside, you're also saying phosphoric acid is worse, and it isn't. It's used in water treatment and the food industry. Sulfuric acid is not, and is highly corrosive.
 
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