Another shooting in a Maryland Mall

canndo

canndo

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Antidisestablishmentarian said:
To think the founding fathers couldn't envision today is ludicrous to me. They were brilliant people.

I think they are rolling over in their graves at how much power the Feds have these days. But they could certainly envision it. That's why they limited the Feds power.
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Um.... no sense here. If they could envision today, at how much power the feds have, then they didn't really limit fed power. You don't get to have it both ways. If they were smart and omnipotent, then they would have formulated the laws differently, they would have included drug use, the sanctity of cell phones, infrared intrustions, wire tapping, data collection and mining, unimaginably powerful personal weapons, mass shootings, dangerous chemicals, pollution, huge corporations, and the list goes on.
 
canndo

canndo

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NoDrama said:
Where in the constitution is it written that certain aspects of it will become obsolete as time passes and as the US grows? Please point me to that section please.
Try reading the Federalist papers, the founders clearly explain all of their intentions, and never do they intend for a US citizen to EVER be deprived of any right for any reason. Sorry you don't get to revise it as you see fit so it makes you feel all cozy and warm all over. They will NEVER get rid of firearms, the Constitution specifically says they can't make that law and in more than one section is that made clear.
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Not really.

The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides:
[N]or shall any person . . . be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law . . . .[SUP][5][/SUP]Section One of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides:
[N]or shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law


Te short read is that you can be deprived of any right for any reason, so long as you are afforded your single right to due process.
 
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beenthere

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canndo said:
Say nothing of the kind and it is evident that you read in a binary manner. for us or agin us, and you don't intend to actually comprehend what is being said.


I will clear it up. YOU, your friends, your relatives, your neighbors, numberous as you are, cannot defeat the u.S. military. Omnipotent? no, everyone should just bend over? no, but Get your "militia' together next week, all 28 of you with your automatic weapons and a few granade launchers and make a stand, let's see exactly how far you get.
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You are forgetting one small thing in your ill thought out scenario.
What makes you think the entire US military will be lockstep with the government?
 
canndo

canndo

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Antidisestablishmentarian said:
Oh they certainly tried.

What the founding fathers couldn't see is the end arounds that keep taking us further and further from what they did.
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then they didn't envision the future. The very fact that they left an amendment process in place shows that they didn't and knew they couldn't.
 
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canndo

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beenthere said:
You are forgetting one small thing in your ill thought out scenario.
What makes you think the entire US military will be lockstep with the government?
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Because that is what they are indoctrinatedt to do, and the majority do it. Several very famous studies tend to support me btw. The military is the hight of authoritarianism. Tell me again about Mai Lai Beenthere?
 
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beenthere

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canndo said:
Because that is what they are indoctrinatedt to do, and the majority do it. Several very famous studies tend to support me btw. The military is the hight of authoritarianism. Tell me again about Mai Lai Beenthere?
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Well, we have to find out how many in the military support gun control and how many do not.
Then we'd have to know how many of the military personnel that supports the 2nd amendment would would go against a government backed ban on guns and join the American civilians that would.

Trust me, you will be outnumbered by a long shot if it ever came down to it.
 
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MasterTHunderfuCk

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beenthere said:
Well, we have to find out how many in the military support gun control and how many do not.
Then we'd have to know how many of the military personnel that supports the 2nd amendment would would go against a government backed ban on guns and join the American civilians that would.

Trust me, you will be outnumbered by a long shot if it ever came down to it.
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Tis very true..the MAJORITY would follow the constitution than the government if for a sad reason it came down to that.
 
Antidisestablishmentarian

Antidisestablishmentarian

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canndo said:
then they didn't envision the future. The very fact that they left an amendment process in place shows that they didn't and knew they couldn't.
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They certainly could have. I never said they for certain envisioned the future. I know they knew exactly what tyranny is, fought against it, and set up a government that protects us from it. Both sides have been imposing their tyranny on us for quite some time now.

They wanted and instituted a small federal government. Too bad about all the end arounds from both sides of the aisle.

But go ahead and make the arguement that they were dumb and couldn't imagine anything.
 
canndo

canndo

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beenthere said:
How many people can be killed or injured using this gun with a legal 10 round magazine, and how many murderers (criminals) will abide by the any gun law anyway?
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I am so sick of the "laws don't work anyway" argument. Again, and again i see that but there is no problem with laws against abortion right? why construct such laws? they don't work. Why have laws against theft? they don't work. Why have any laws, when it is fairly obvious that people break laws, hence they don't work. And as I pointed out, very few people who own guns will give them up anyway. Now if there were laws against the manufacture of certain types of guns or magazines, certainly some would construct them anyway but most would not. Most if not all pro-gun arguments are silly if not downright infantile. This one is among them. Ten or twelve or so might be killed if the shooter is a good one. If not? perhaps not many. Give that same person a 20 round magazine, then more may be killed or injured.

You didn't answer the question, and I presume you know your weapons - how many rounds capacity has the weapon on the left? and how many on the right?
 
canndo

canndo

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beenthere said:
Well, we have to find out how many in the military support gun control and how many do not.
Then we'd have to know how many of the military personnel that supports the 2nd amendment would would go against a government backed ban on guns and join the American civilians that would.

Trust me, you will be outnumbered by a long shot if it ever came down to it.
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Firstly, why should I trust you when you are so often so very wrong? secondly, your answer is pure supposition. I presume that the majority of the military do not support anything but rational gun control and would not support the confiscation of firearms. So? You are constructing a scenario I did not. There have been insurections in the United States before, and each time the military has done what it was told to do by their superiors. As I said, studies indicate that this will happen even to those who are not subject to the rigors of military training. I have mentioned Mai Lai several times and yet you do not address it. You HOPE that the military will drop their weapons, walk away, or turn those same weapons upon their brethren who opt to follow orders. But that is not what we see in history.

Would those same people you HOPE will refuse to obey, adhere to orders if any other amendment were openly breached? or is it just the 2nd? And as I said, when will this rebellion begin? I am given to believe that the right" (at least) believes that their rights are being stripped by leaps and bounds, so when then can we expect this final solution to begin?
 
canndo

canndo

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MasterTHunderfuCk said:
Tis very true..the MAJORITY would follow the constitution than the government if for a sad reason it came down to that.
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Really? you think that they would dissobey orders to, oh, say, detain U.S. civilians illegaly? waterboard foreign nationals when they know that torture is illegal in the United States and against the Constitution itself? It seems that most obeyed orders and did just that. No, as I said, studies indicate that the majority will follow orders given by their superiors.

In that incident 26 soldiers did what they were ordered to do. Three refused and attempted to save the lives of the unarmed villiagers, those three soldiers were condemned as traitors.

I can't see how you could extrapolate anything other than soldiers do what they are told to do save a very few, and this was not a confiscation of guns but a wholesale murder and rape of innocents.

So yet again we see your living in a wonderworld where things happen as they should according to your belief rather than as they truely do happen in the completely different world of realtity.
 
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