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[cannabineer]

A wise person evaluates ideas and proceeds from there. Lysander Spooner, an 1800s abolitionist among other things, got a lot right. That doesn't mean I endorse everything he ever said or did. For instance we have different views on intellectual property.

Also, there is nothing in a Voluntaryist world that would prevent people from cooperating on common defense. What might suffer is empire, like the one you live under now, the most destructive of liberty and war mongering the world has ever known.

No. He started with a broken premise that you tirelessly flog.

A voluntaryist society would be incapable of making a modern round of ammunition. That requires inter alia a chemical industry, which cannot be had when society is the herd of cats about which he dreamt.

 

[Rob Roy]

Do you stop at stop signs or is that voluntary in your opinion?

That's not a very good gotcha question.

I tend to be a safe driver. Regardless of who owns a given road, a consistent policy of sensible rules for a road make sense whether Attila the Hun or Barney Rubble is the one managing it. That could be done in a voluntary society, minus the imminent domain confiscatory aspect.

 

[Wattzzup]

How is it voluntary if you’re stopping at stop signs? Sounds like you’re just another sheep

 

[Rob Roy]

No. He started with a broken premise that you tirelessly flog.

A voluntaryist society would be incapable of making a modern round of ammunition. That requires inter alia a chemical industry, which cannot be had when society is the herd of cats about which he dreamt.

Again, a voluntaryist society would not prevent people from cooperating on projects, where did you ever get the idea they couldn't ?

You seem eager to "win" at least a scrap of something tangible to disparage the idea that voluntary human relations are better than coerced ones. You'll need to keep trying, but I admire that you presevere even when you are clearly drowning in false assumption.

 

[cannabineer]

Again, a voluntaryist society would not prevent people from cooperating on projects, where did you ever get the idea they couldn't ?

You seem eager to "win" at least a scrap of something tangible to disparage the idea that voluntary human relations are better than coerced ones. You'll need to keep trying, but I admire that you presevere even when you are clearly drowning in false assumption.

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There is a reason Spooner limited his society to solo artisans.

(the irony of being lectured on fallacy by the great unreasoner.)

 

[Wattzzup]

That's not a very good gotcha question.

I tend to be a safe driver. Regardless of who owns a given road, a consistent policy of sensible rules for a road make sense whether Attila the Hun or Barney Rubble is the one managing it. That could be done in a voluntary society, minus the imminent domain confiscatory aspect.

So you only follow the rules you think make sense. So you’re not really into voluntarism. Just selfishness. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[cannabineer]

There is a reason you are still humping Spooners dead leg and trying to ascribe his every idea to me as if THAT "proves" coercion is better than consent as a normal way to proceed in human relations?


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You never disassociated from the Spoonerism.

 

[Rob Roy]

So you only follow the rules you think make sense. So you’re not really into voluntarism. Just selfishness. Thanks for clearing that up.

Please define what you think you mean when you use the term "voluntarism" ?

 

[Rob Roy]

You never disassociated from the Spoonerism.

So Spooner picks his nose and wipes it on a post office wall, and I have to clean it up ?

 

[Wattzzup]

Please define what you think you mean when you use the term "voluntarism" ?

The govt tells you STOP and you stop. Just like I thought. Thanks for volunteering your time to answer my questions.

 

[cannabineer]

So Spooner picks his nose and wipes it on a post office wall, and I have to clean it up ?

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You’re the one who promoted him; it’s your albatross.

 

[mooray]

There's no such thing as "government" as if it's some isolated entity from space. It's just people, support/promoted/perpetuated by all the other people. As nice of a scapegoat is it may be, it's just a mirror. Smash the mirror if you want, but the problem remains just the same.

 

[Rob Roy]

You’re the one who promoted him; it’s your albatross.

I promoted an idea or something he said which I think makes sense. How does that mean I'm responsible for his every action ?

That would be like you voting for Biden and also having to take on the burden of his gropiness, dopiness and daughter in the shower soapiness.

 

[Rob Roy]

There's no such thing as "government" as if it's some isolated entity from space. It's just people, support/promoted/perpetuated by all the other people. As nice of a scapegoat is it may be, it's just a mirror. Smash the mirror if you want, but the problem remains just the same.

You are partially correct and partially incorrect.

 

[mooray]

That's great, you found some nuance, and you are correct. Now try it in other areas too.

 

[Rob Roy]

That's great, you found some nuance, and you are correct. Now try it in other areas too.

Hey that's great advice, thank you for mentioning that.

Now, quit telling me what to do and stop supporting insane ideas.

 

[mooray]

There's not really such thing as "telling someone what to do". That's something you do on your own, is allow other people's words to feel imposing on yourself. If it bothers you, maybe stop doing it.

 

[Rob Roy]

There's not really such thing as "telling someone what to do". That's something you do on your own, is allow other people's words to feel imposing on yourself. If it bothers you, maybe stop doing it.

Did you just assume my feelings?

 

[Sir Napsalot]

 

[canndo]

Except for the ones serving time for weed and the ones who appreciate individual liberty and don't like their consent violated on a regular and routine basis.

Millions to thousands. Tens of thousands at most.

Say, you don't happen to be one of those absolutist do you? If a single person is harmed then the principle is failed?

One guy is burned alive because of his seat belt so....seatbelts are morally wrong?