Another Beheading

NLXSK1 said:

If you dont believe in god then the sun going nova will end this world if not some really big rock sometime sooner.

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every religion is not an apocalyptic doomsday cult.

islam for example, has no "doomsday"
they believe the world is eternal, and will be perfect, once they get rid of all non-moslem thought.

judaism likewise does not have an "end times prophecy"

early chrisitanity didnt have one either.

the council of mycene decided they needed something to punch up the message, so they added "revalations" and it's crazy bullshit to bring back some of that old school flavah with the fire and brimstone.

Dr Kynes said:

every religion is not an apocalyptic doomsday cult.

islam for example, has no "doomsday"
they believe the world is eternal, and will be perfect, once they get rid of all non-moslem thought.

judaism likewise does not have an "end times prophecy"

early chrisitanity didnt have one either.

the council of mycene decided they needed something to punch up the message, so they added "revalations" and it's crazy bullshit to bring back some of that old school flavah with the fire and brimstone.

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see Jewish eschatology - it's their version of "end times"

NLXSK1 said:

If you dont believe in god then the sun going nova will end this world if not some really big rock sometime sooner.

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saaaaaaaaaaaaaaweeeeeeeeeeeeet! (sweet)

earnest_voice said:

Do you feel jihadists are a threat to your way of life as an American?

Will a big fence keep them out?

I mean how many billions of dollars has your government spent on homeland security and it hasn't really made the slightest difference.

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yes i recognize that any group which declares "we will end you" and insists they will not rest until everyone in the world accepts their idiotic religious bullshit or dies, are NOT the sort of people you can negotiate with

islam is poisonous at it's core.

and yes a "big fence" will keep them out.

and yes, the US has spent billions of dollars propping up tyrannical moslem regimes to try and keep the tyranny of moslems in check (so much irony) but they have spent NEARLY NOTHING on actually securing our borders against infiltration, closing military bases on foreign soil, securing our economy and improving our self-sufficiency.

i actually dont care if the rest of the world goes to hell in a handbasket, and as i have said many times before "homeland security" is pure idiocy. we already have federal state and local law enforcement in abundance (too much in fact) but they spend all their time chasing down potheads and beating the shit out of jaywalkers, while illegal border crossings happen right under their noses, organized crime and street gangs proliferate, and "Hate Crimes" that only hurt somebody's feelings are treated like capitol offenses, while the average time in slam for murder 1 in the US is seven years... and thats only if you get caught, which is unlikely since 38% of homicides are never solved.

goons with a rap sheet half a mile long, deserving a date with the electric chair never get it, until they finally "cross the line" and their record comes under public scrutiny (richard alan davis for example)

and fools like you think asking the barbarians, whether homegrown on the streets of chicago, or created in a faraway mosque, to "Play Nice" is the only solution.

schuylaar said:

Dear ISIS -

The line has been drawn.

The envelope has been pushed.

You are fools.

We will kill you.

Your Not So Humble Servant..

The United States of America

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We haven't done too well at drawing lines lately.

Dr Kynes said:

yes i recognize that any group which declares "we will end you" and insists they will not rest until everyone in the world accepts their idiotic religious bullshit or dies, are NOT the sort of people you can negotiate with

islam is poisonous at it's core.

and yes a "big fence" will keep them out.

and yes, the US has spent billions of dollars propping up tyrannical moslem regimes to try and keep the tyranny of moslems in check (so much irony) but they have spent NEARLY NOTHING on actually securing our borders against infiltration, closing military bases on foreign soil, securing our economy and improving our self-sufficiency.

i actually dont care if the rest of the world goes to hell in a handbasket, and as i have said many times before "homeland security" is pure idiocy. we already have federal state and local law enforcement in abundance (too much in fact) but they spend all their time chasing down potheads and beating the shit out of jaywalkers, while illegal border crossings happen right under their noses, organized crime and street gangs proliferate, and "Hate Crimes" that only hurt somebody's feelings are treated like capitol offenses, while the average time in slam for murder 1 in the US is seven years... and thats only if you get caught, which is unlikely since 38% of homicides are never solved.

goons with a rap sheet half a mile long, deserving a date with the electric chair never get it, until they finally "cross the line" and their record comes under public scrutiny (richard alan davis for example)

and fools like you think asking the barbarians, whether homegrown on the streets of chicago, or created in a faraway mosque, to "Play Nice" is the only solution.

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You could've taken the short route and just said "terrorism works"...

You know the 9/11 hijackers flew into the country on valid visas and passports.

A "big fence will keep them out", gimme a break!

schuylaar said:

yeah and where does congress stand on this? oh yeah, they adjourned from all the work they do..

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Your beloved barack is back on vaca, so.......

schuylaar said:

yeah and where does congress stand on this? oh yeah, they adjourned from all the work they do..

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Hun, this current resurgence of craziness in Iraq could've been avoided the following two ways if;

A) Obama kept US Special Operations troops in country working with their Iraqi counterparts in a kill/capture capacity (Find, Fix, Finish, Exploit, Analyze, and Disseminate)

B) Supported Assad in Syria to keep the crazies contained

earnest_voice said:

You could've taken the short route and just said "terrorism works"...

You know the 9/11 hijackers flew into the country on valid visas and passports.

A "big fence will keep them out", gimme a break!

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" visas and passports" issued under the rules of the limp dicked clinton administration.

and no, they were NOT valid.
they had all overstayed their tourist visas, or violated the requirements of their student visas, etc etc etc. if our immigration laws were prosecuted with half the vigour used in prosecuting potheads, all those clowns would have been deported or in slam long before their plot could come to fruition.

if we actually used our immigration laws as written yes, it would keep them out

who is prohibited from entering the US?

criminals
undesirables (like say radical moslems)
people from hostile nations (unless they are defecting)
unskilled social burdens (like idiots who couldnt even hold down a job driving a taxi)
those who are carrying infectious diseases
anti-american radicals
anarchists
the insane

but none of those laws are prosecuted.

we dont quarantine new arrivals any more, not even if they are obviously sick.

you can become a US citizen without ever learing english,
you can stay forever on a 2 week tourist visa cuz nobody will ever look for you
you dont even need a visa, you can just go to canada and walk across the border (or mexico)

real border security, like say, that used by mexico on their border with guatemala, would keep most of the fuckers out, and using our existing laws properly would keep out almost all of the rest.

but if even on gets through thats sufficient for you to declare the entire exercise a waste of money, and demand the borders be cast open again.

cuz youre stupid.

schuylaar said:

once again, my vote is for Operation: Glass Parking Lot, like we should have done long ago..these mother fuckers are just not going to stop.

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Bomb them all is a bad idea.

Of course there will be many innocent women and children killed, what of them?

Violence against women and children that have nothing to do with the death of the journalist will not solve anything ,but to cause people to think of the USA military as an empire building bunch of paid killers and we know that isn't true righ...hey wait a minute.

earnest_voice said:

Hun, this current resurgence of craziness in Iraq could've been avoided the following two ways if;

A) Obama kept US Special Operations troops in country working with their Iraqi counterparts in a kill/capture capacity (Find, Fix, Finish, Exploit, Analyze, and Disseminate)

B) Supported Assad in Syria to keep the crazies contained

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A) endless military commitment supporting a foreign regime, for no damned reason, since they are exactly the same as the "Badguys" that they are hunting down over minor doctrinal differences in their religion...

B) supporting another lunatic despot who is hunting down other lunatics who wish they were the despot, over minor doctrinal differences in their religion...


brilliant solutions.

you must be Thuper Experienthed in Foreign Policy.

Protip: "Never get involved in a land war in asia" INCLUDES ASIA MINOR!

Dr Kynes said:

" visas and passports" issued under the rules of the limp dicked clinton administration.

and no, they were NOT valid.

they had all overstayed their tourist visas, or violated the requirements of their student visas, etc etc etc. if our immigration laws were prosecuted with half the vigour used in prosecuting potheads, all those clowns would have been deported or in slam long before their plot could come to fruition.

if we actually used our immigration laws as written yes, it would keep them out

cuz youre stupid.

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So because they were issued during the clinton admin they weren't valid?

http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/911_TerrTrav_Ch2.pdf

The 9/11 hijackers submitted 23 visa applications during the course of the plot, and 22 of these applications were approved. The hijackers applied for visas at five U.S. consulates or embassies overseas; two of them were interviewed. One consular officer issued visas to 11 of the 19 hijackers. Of the eight other conspirators in the plot who sought visas, three succeeded, but only one of the three later sought to use the visa to enter the United States.

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As i said previously, the 9/11 hijackers flew into the country on valid visas and passports. Do try to keep up

Dr Kynes said:

A) endless military commitment supporting a foreign regime, for no damned reason, since they are exactly the same as the "Badguys" that they are hunting down over minor doctrinal differences in their religion...

B) supporting another lunatic despot who is hunting down other lunatics who wish they were the despot, over minor doctrinal differences in their religion...

brilliant solutions.

you must be Thuper Experienthed in Foreign Policy.

Protip: "Never get involved in a land war in asia" INCLUDES ASIA MINOR!

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McChrystals approached worked that cannot be denied.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/06/12/jihadist_gains_in_iraq_blindside_american_spies

The responsibility for failing to counter ISIS in Iraq cannot solely be placed at the feet of U.S. intelligence agencies. When American forces were stationed in the country, they built one of the most successful battlefield intelligence systems in the history of American warfare. The NSA monitored every phone call, email, or text message in Iraq, and it provided leads on the location of jihadists and insurgents to drone pilots and special operations forces, who captured or killed them. U.S. commandos working hand in hand with the CIA also developed an extensive network of human spies.

But when U.S. forces left Iraq in 2011, all that intelligence power went with them. The Iraqi government failed to secure an agreement that would have allowed the United States to maintain some physical presence in Iraq, which it needed to run the intelligence networks at full throttle. Today, that intelligence capability has withered.

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You're all for war under a Republican but not a Dem you shallow little man...

earnest_voice said:

So because they were issued during the clinton admin they weren't valid?

http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/911_TerrTrav_Ch2.pdf



As i said previously, the 9/11 hijackers flew into the country on valid visas and passports. Do try to keep up

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they ENTERED the country on valid visas, but those visas were all INVALID by the time they got their scheme in motion.

their visas were all expired or violated (by not attending schools or holding down a job etc) but nobody bothered to go find them and eject their asses from the country.

earnest_voice said:

McChrystals approached worked that cannot be denied.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/06/12/jihadist_gains_in_iraq_blindside_american_spies



You're all for war under a Republican but not a Dem you shallow little man...

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no, i was all for a war ONLY if they prosecuted it in the roman way, not this bullshit soft pedaled "proportional" hearts and minds nonsense the left thinks will make war more palatable for their delicate sensibilities.

you go in, beat their asses, loot the joint of all it's valuables, grab their leaders, drag them out in chains, you general leads his triumphal parade through washington with saddam or bin laden shackled to the back of his chariot, then in a grand public spectacle, you throw them off the top of the washington monument and children wager on where they might land.
meanwhile the residents of theat demolished nation can scrape their country back together all by themselves, cuz, fuck em.

then, if that same country forces us to go back later, we give them the same treatment Carthage got, and then you wont hear a peep from them ever again.

trying to hold sandland together as a civilized place, against the general incompetence and stupidity of sandlandians is a pointless endeavour.

you cant "nationbuild" in a land where building anything just results in the assholes tearing it down.

the only way to create anything that can last in sandland is to prop up a dictator who can keep his "constituents" from exercising their cultural imperative to wreck anything of value that they see.

bush failed because he believed dipshits like you who think "they are just like us" because THEY AINT. their entire society is built on their crazy religion that venerates being crazier than the guy next door.

Dr Kynes said:

they ENTERED the country on valid visas, but those visas were all INVALID by the time they got their scheme in motion.

their visas were all expired or violated (by not attending schools or holding down a job etc) but nobody bothered to go find them and eject their asses from the country.

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Another hit and miss... You're having an issue with facts today aren't you?

Entering the United States as tourists was important to the hijackers, since immigration regulations automatically guaranteed tourists six months of stay. Thus the 14 muscle hijackers who entered the United States in the spring and early summer of 2001 were able to remain in the country legally through September 11. The six-month tourist stays also assured the hijackers of sufficient time to make such preparations for their operation as obtaining the identifications some of them used to board the planes on September 11.

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http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/911_TerrTrav_Ch2.pdf



Here, have some all American clown shoes, they used to belong to dubya

earnest_voice said:

Another hit and miss... You're having an issue with facts today aren't you?



http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/911_TerrTrav_Ch2.pdf

Here, have some all American clown shoes, they used to belong to dubya

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ZOMG!! you mean the oft repeated "expired visas" reports were wrong according to the state dept, so i must be wrong on everything else???

wow i had no idea being wrong on a minor detail from a 4000 page govt report from 12 years ago was the key to credibility.

and i suppose you think these visas were issued in a responsible manner too, and no amount of tighter restrictions could stop them in the future, so we should simply end all border restrictions, and become an Open State where anyone can come and go as they please.

as usual you use picayune details as the key to "proving" your gross simplifications and retarded claims.

i suppose you imagine this minor error endorses your idiotic solutions proposed earlier

A) Support Assad, The Butcher With The Pedo Smile
or
B) Zombie Saddam 4 President

20 minutes after his big speech on ISIS, Barry heads back to the golf course.
What a leader, this guy.

Dr Kynes said:

ZOMG!! you mean the oft repeated "expired visas" reports were wrong according to the state dept, so i must be wrong on everything else???

wow i had no idea being wrong on a minor detail from a 4000 page govt report from 12 years ago was the key to credibility.

and i suppose you think these visas were issued in a responsible manner too, and no amount of tighter restrictions could stop them in the future, so we should simply end all border restrictions, and become an Open State where anyone can come and go as they please.

as usual you use picayune details as the key to "proving" your gross simplifications and retarded claims.

i suppose you imagine this minor error endorses your idiotic solutions proposed earlier

A) Support Assad, The Butcher With The Pedo Smile
or
B) Zombie Saddam 4 President

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ZOMG!! They guy who expects us to read his 4000 word posts doesn't even read source material before making baseless statements...

The key to credibility is NOT passing off your opinions as fact you silly old codger

jahbrudda said:

20 minutes after his big speech on ISIS, Barry heads back to the golf course.
What a leader, this guy.

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At least he ain't chopin' down trees in texas...