Matt Rize
Hashmaster
From the tami site, remember this guy sells butane extractors and is biased. But his facts about how crappy hexane, heptane, ect are for cannabinoids are spot on.
http://tamisiumextractors.com/fightbutaneban
LETS TALK ABOUT SOLVENT CHOICE
Of the solvents preferred for extracting oil.. CO2 is a great choice but not the best.
Other than the potential use of high pressure for CO2, just like any unsafe
practice, the danger can be avoided if done in a lab by professionals, you can learn to make
it work and it will work very well.
Labs are synonymous with dangerous practices and that is the reason we have
them as well as the lab permits that govern their existence.
These permits and labs allow the trained professionals to deal with that
fact. Facing the dangers safely. That is another story and one that needs to be
addressed in more than just the state of Colorado.
In Texas we have this permitting structure already and Butane is not one of
the concerned chemicals on the long list of concerns.
The chemicals used to produce illegal drugs and the dangerous chemicals to
produce drugs are not outlawed here but the use of them is controlled to
allow us to continue to use them safely.
With CO2 you will not have a high yield unless you are very educated in the field of
polarization and chemistry in general. And to some degree, hydraulics.
And even then you will find that you need to add another solvent to the CO2 to
increase your yields. Heptane, Hexane and even Butane or anes specifically for oils.
In the end you will find that you have to use a closer matching non polar solvent
to get the highest yields combined with polar and mid polar solvents
and again, they then have to be removed. The easiest to remove least toxic solvents
are preferred.
All this talk about yields is unimportant if safe ingestion is compromised.
So lets go over the solvent options and the risk involved.
Dimethyl Ether or naphtha or pet ether. Ethers
Heptane,
Hexane,
and so on.
All these solvents are not the most friendly (toxic) and can have boiling points above
250F. Which would convert/alter some components used medicinally, so we are
discovering. As you may be aware of.
Adding heat to a flammable solvent, again can be done safely but as always
presents another danger if done incorrectly. not to mention the alteration of
the end product which may change if done after analysis which again brings up
more control techniques that we would all have to learn.
This added heat is required when using these solvents, to ensure they are completely
evaporated away and do not remain in the end product.
This is STANDARD PROCEDURE in the food industry.
It is not a new thing but a required practice.
Due to the flammability of these solvents, most compressors for vacuum distilling
them off are not an option. Requiring a special device for that purpose. Which in itself
presents another set of dangers and controls. Most people that are not lab savvy would
learn this the hard way which again brings up the more important point of permitting
labs.
An electrical, mechanical free system would be most advantageous but
the high evaporation temps of these other solvent choices render a system free of
these devices impossible.
In addition, due to their known minor toxicity levels and not so easy evaporation some
concern has been raised about their use in the food industry. However, that concern
is of no concern if done correctly and so they continue to be used today.
Ammonia is used to disinfect beef and is approved for production of consumed
food that we consume now. It can be done safely and ammonia is far far more toxic
and costly to remove than a solvent that is non toxic and boils away at the temperature
that freezes water.
All that being said, in comes butane as the first non toxic hydrocarbon solvent
that can be recovered and reused without the aid of mechanical or electrical apparatus.
It has such a low evaporation temperature ( 33F ), for the first time you can
use a system free of electrical and mechanical systems to not only extract with but
also recover the solvent for reuse, versus letting it go into the atmosphere which
is what most of the other solvent choices would be removed by.
The fact that butane is non toxic could include it in an organic process due to the fact
that it is non toxic and evaporates so cleanly. This is the reason it is the primary choice of
solvent when a non/polar solvent is required for oil production.
If Butane sprayed into your eyes, you would not be harmed even if you fail
to wash it out. It would evaporate instantly and leave no trace and will not
cause a reaction to your moist eyes other than drying them out.
You could not say that about acetone, or alcohol for that matter.
Butane should not be considered a choice, It should be a requirement in my
opinion. As long as the proper controls are in place.
CO2 is another safe choice and should be included in that preferred solvent choice with Butane above the others available which are also currently being used in the production and delivery of food grade products today and for decades. You have consumed food created by all these chemicals at some point in your life.
You cannot outlaw or ban a solvent is the point.
You must control how solvents are used and food products are created.
http://tamisiumextractors.com/fightbutaneban
LETS TALK ABOUT SOLVENT CHOICE
Of the solvents preferred for extracting oil.. CO2 is a great choice but not the best.
Other than the potential use of high pressure for CO2, just like any unsafe
practice, the danger can be avoided if done in a lab by professionals, you can learn to make
it work and it will work very well.
Labs are synonymous with dangerous practices and that is the reason we have
them as well as the lab permits that govern their existence.
These permits and labs allow the trained professionals to deal with that
fact. Facing the dangers safely. That is another story and one that needs to be
addressed in more than just the state of Colorado.
In Texas we have this permitting structure already and Butane is not one of
the concerned chemicals on the long list of concerns.
The chemicals used to produce illegal drugs and the dangerous chemicals to
produce drugs are not outlawed here but the use of them is controlled to
allow us to continue to use them safely.
With CO2 you will not have a high yield unless you are very educated in the field of
polarization and chemistry in general. And to some degree, hydraulics.
And even then you will find that you need to add another solvent to the CO2 to
increase your yields. Heptane, Hexane and even Butane or anes specifically for oils.
In the end you will find that you have to use a closer matching non polar solvent
to get the highest yields combined with polar and mid polar solvents
and again, they then have to be removed. The easiest to remove least toxic solvents
are preferred.
All this talk about yields is unimportant if safe ingestion is compromised.
So lets go over the solvent options and the risk involved.
Dimethyl Ether or naphtha or pet ether. Ethers
Heptane,
Hexane,
and so on.
All these solvents are not the most friendly (toxic) and can have boiling points above
250F. Which would convert/alter some components used medicinally, so we are
discovering. As you may be aware of.
Adding heat to a flammable solvent, again can be done safely but as always
presents another danger if done incorrectly. not to mention the alteration of
the end product which may change if done after analysis which again brings up
more control techniques that we would all have to learn.
This added heat is required when using these solvents, to ensure they are completely
evaporated away and do not remain in the end product.
This is STANDARD PROCEDURE in the food industry.
It is not a new thing but a required practice.
Due to the flammability of these solvents, most compressors for vacuum distilling
them off are not an option. Requiring a special device for that purpose. Which in itself
presents another set of dangers and controls. Most people that are not lab savvy would
learn this the hard way which again brings up the more important point of permitting
labs.
An electrical, mechanical free system would be most advantageous but
the high evaporation temps of these other solvent choices render a system free of
these devices impossible.
In addition, due to their known minor toxicity levels and not so easy evaporation some
concern has been raised about their use in the food industry. However, that concern
is of no concern if done correctly and so they continue to be used today.
Ammonia is used to disinfect beef and is approved for production of consumed
food that we consume now. It can be done safely and ammonia is far far more toxic
and costly to remove than a solvent that is non toxic and boils away at the temperature
that freezes water.
All that being said, in comes butane as the first non toxic hydrocarbon solvent
that can be recovered and reused without the aid of mechanical or electrical apparatus.
It has such a low evaporation temperature ( 33F ), for the first time you can
use a system free of electrical and mechanical systems to not only extract with but
also recover the solvent for reuse, versus letting it go into the atmosphere which
is what most of the other solvent choices would be removed by.
The fact that butane is non toxic could include it in an organic process due to the fact
that it is non toxic and evaporates so cleanly. This is the reason it is the primary choice of
solvent when a non/polar solvent is required for oil production.
If Butane sprayed into your eyes, you would not be harmed even if you fail
to wash it out. It would evaporate instantly and leave no trace and will not
cause a reaction to your moist eyes other than drying them out.
You could not say that about acetone, or alcohol for that matter.
Butane should not be considered a choice, It should be a requirement in my
opinion. As long as the proper controls are in place.
CO2 is another safe choice and should be included in that preferred solvent choice with Butane above the others available which are also currently being used in the production and delivery of food grade products today and for decades. You have consumed food created by all these chemicals at some point in your life.
You cannot outlaw or ban a solvent is the point.
You must control how solvents are used and food products are created.
